The Canaanites and the Anunaki - or why kill innocent children.

a reply to: Cinrad

Deuteronomy 7:1 - When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girga#es, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

First God promised the land to Isreal before the expedition. So even if the Canaanites were giants, that shouldn't have mattered. The Lord already promised Isreal victory. When the scared Israelites the told false or evil, it doesn't matter, stories that were untrue.

Numbers
21 The Canaanite king of Arad lived in the Southern Desert of Canaan, and when he heard that the Israelites were on their way to the village of Atharim, he attacked and took some of them hostage.

2 The Israelites prayed, “Our Lord, if you will help us defeat these Canaanites, we will completely destroy their towns and everything in them, to show that they belong to you.

3 The Lord answered their prayer and helped them wipe out the Canaanite army and completely destroy their towns. That’s why one of the towns is named Hormah, which means “Destroyed Place.”

Here we have the report that Isreal destroys the Canaanites without any reports of Nephalim.

I know you are trying non biblical references to the Nephalim but they just don't reconcile. I explained the Nephalim in this thread a while back. No aliens, no angels, just men who were acting against God's plan.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Sahabi
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Just letting you know that there is a difference between "Hebrew" and "Israelite." All Israelites are Hebrews, but not all Hebrews are Israelites.

Of course I know that but when the term Hebrew is associated with the Tora it is only a specific group of Hebrews that are the subject, they don't cease to be Hebrews.

a reply to: Cinrad

You've caught onto something here. I can't explain now, have to run,
But the OP has definitely caught on to a true mystery.

I'll explain more in a day or two.

Rebel 5

a reply to: TinfoilTP

The first five books are thought to have been compiled 8th century BC or before.

Actually, the commonly accepted date for the earliest Hebrew writings is 625 BC, at the end of the Neo-Assyrian empire and the advent of the Neo-Babylonian Chaldean empire. The books with a possible origin in the 7th and 8th centuries BC are actually believed to have been written later (ie: 625 BC), but were based on ideas present in Hebrew thought from the 7th and 8th centuries. You can learn more about the archaeological age of the books of the Old and New Testaments here.

Now, 625 BC is an interesting point in history, as Israel was a tributary state to the Assyrian empire lead by Ashurbanipal II just prior to that time, and would be besieged—with the Jews being deported by the Neo-Babylonian Chaldean rulers who came to power—just after the battle of Carchemish, resulting in the so-called Babylonian Captivity.

Therefore Jewish mythology would have developed under the influence of Assyrio-Babylonian mythology, gaining root during a changing of the guard as the Assyrian empire collapsed, and the Babylonian empire emerged in its place. Do I need to point out that Assyria and Babylonia developed on top of Sumer and Akkad, and that mythological motifs can be traced successively through all 4 empires, and thus found their way into Jewish mythology?

Why would Hebrews give two craps what Greeks, Hittites, or Anatolians thought back then?

Your clear lack of understanding in regards to history is blatantly obvious here.

To start with, the Jewish people were moochers, moving from empire to empire, taking root wherever one would let them—Egypt, the Levant, Assyria—all the while absorbing religious and cultural tendencies from their hosts before moving on when they had overstayed their welcome and roused the ire of their hosts.

For an example of some of these lifted elements one needs look no further than the idea of monotheism from Egypt, the burnt offerings and laws of Deuteronomy arising from or against the practices of Levantine tribes, and the concept of a god who lives atop a mountain from Mesopotamia at large, which features no less than 5 such gods: Adad, Ba'al, Enlil, Ishkur, and Wer.

Now, the next thing you need to realize is that the Jewish people picked sides during wars. The battle of Carchemish put the New Kingdom Egyptians against the Neo-Babylonian Chaldeans. The Jewish people sided with the Egyptian coalition, and lost. In response they were later besieged and deported around the Neo-Babylonian empire, whose side they promptly took.

When the Persians came the Jews, again, picked a side, this time the Persian side, and gained their independence. This moment of good luck wouldn't last though, as, during the Grecco-Persian wars Persia was defeated, leaving former Persian lands in the hands of the Greeks.

In order to survive, the Jews once more adapted and adopted practices from their new hosts, and their myths again came to reflect the dominant mythology of the time.

That's what the Jews do: take from others, rewrite it to reflect Yahweh, and claim it is original.

It's unfortunate archaeology has uncovered the writings of these people the Jews demonized, and more unfortunate that history has shown the Jewish narrative to be in error.

That destroys your whole Jew hating precept.

It isn't the Jew that I hate, it is the lie that I hate.

Any Jew who admits that his god is a knock-off of Mesopotamia's multitude of gods, is OK in my book. Any Jew who pretends—in light of all of the evidence to the contrary—that his god is original and unique is the problem.

Thanks though, for trying to pull the anti-Semitism card, although I made no such claim myself.


~ Wandering Scribe

a reply to: TinfoilTP
It's not wrong - while some themes had been oral tradition for centuries before the captivity most of it wasnt. Once again the Flood narrative, the Moses mythology, lots of the religious traditions (altars for example)...

I dont expect you to accept the truth if it is against your religious belief, but the tv shows Battles BC, Ancients Behaving Badly, Ancient Discoveries, etc shed some real light onto the Bible.

a reply to: Cinrad

It is in the interest of these hijacking Archontic gods/forces to kill any lineage that has a purer connection to the Divine inside themselves whether known or unknown, therefore preventing the unleashing of a power they know they cannot control nor stop which would and could result in their downfall.

These forces are following the laws that are in place thereby avoiding a greater penalty. By killing the offspring they derive agreement through omission via the parents in charge, thereby bypassing the very Spirits (the children born) themselves whom yet have not had time to mature into their own 'Right' and claim what is 'rightfully' theirs completely disseminating these forces/enemies/powers.

If they cannot kill those ancient lineages that are most threatening to them and their rule than they bind them in a spiritual, physical, emotional and neural straightjacket for life times.

If they let these lineages live than they know that their 'power' and 'right' will be legally rivaled by those whom can take not only their power but what is more, their Governance and control and even 'Life' however parasitic.

We aren't dealing with 'God' or what is the true Divine.............we are dealing with hijacking powers that have come and stolen everything right from under us concealing their true identity dominating us under the guise of being 'God' or 'Gods'.


They are anything but Divine.

The ego has done great harm in creating for 'them' through us the very design that they use to control us.

For them its just a way around a greater problem that they must avoid at all costs if possible, at least until we comprehend the "Law" within ourselves enough to reclaim what is 'ours' because only then can they be destroyed. Considering that they harvest and recycle our souls its not a big deal to sacrifice anything including newborns, in fact its a very minor means to an end.

originally posted by: Egyptia
They are anything but Divine.

The ego has done great harm in creating for 'them' through us the very design that they use to control us.

For them its just a way around a greater problem that they must avoid at all costs if possible, at least until we comprehend the "Law" within ourselves enough to reclaim what is 'ours' because only then can they be destroyed. Considering that they harvest and recycle our souls its not a big deal to sacrifice anything including newborns, in fact its a very minor means to an end.

As I see them, these (Archontic cone-heads) are but narcissistic sociopaths,
consumed with hate for every one else;

a reply to: ToneDeaf


And through our 'Ego' they have created the very same likeness in projection.............a world of narcissistic sociopaths consumed with hate, lust, manipulation, power, selfishness, rage, jealousy, control, fear, dependency, defense, manipulation, distorting reality for one's own benefit, insecurities, shame, pleasure seeking, grotesque abuse of life in all forms and self entitlement and all compulsive disorders including every behavior that is self serving and the opposite of 'giving, offering and pleasing' through a love that asks nothing in return. We are ALL EGO struggling to find our Spirits and emancipation.

We mirror them, our creators that use our own abilities to create for them this Cancer and sickness that is the condition of life here while we are fed ON and simultaneously being fed in 'feeling' like puppets............. in this insanity they have created in us the means by which to take us over........EGO .......and through us and out of us in the manipulation and exploitation of our emotions we are undone.

When will we See and break the chains of our own Ego and in so doing break them and this Cancerous Reality we have Created with them at the helm?

You will want to know this then for those that are 'here'.

evelorgen.com...

I feel bad for all of you participating in this thread.


Not a single one of you has any idea of whats actually going on in these stories.


You have no idea what these 'Names' and 'Places' actually refer to.

a reply to: Cinrad

Basically you are correct. But the truth is not a popular thing to discuss on ATS, therefore you will be ridiculed, insulted and disregarded. Around here, it is much more popular to simply make God the bad guy, rather than try to figure out His motives for certain actions recorded in the Bible.

Any time you see God declaring entire civilizations to be wiped out (interestingly enough, some of which we are told in the Bible to include even their animals) you can rest assured that there was a legitimate reason. Usually one that involved genetic tampering, which was the reason for the flood. The genetic tampering prior to the flood threatened the entire ecosystem of earth, plus the prophesied birth of the Messiah. If Christ had never had the opportunity to be born, then there would be no salvation for mankind. Another topic which is not a popular thing to discuss on ATS. Around here, people are much more comfortable with Jesus being an alien than a Savior.

Sodom and Gomorrah is another example of genetic tampering gone rampant, thus delegating the need for its utter annihilation. Not sure if you addressed that in your OP or not. The Books of Jasher, Jubiliees and 1 Enoch go into a bit more detail as to the phenomenon of genetic tampering, which is a major "No-No" in God's intricately ordered creation. We are at that threshold once again. The next year should be quite a ride, for those who survive it.

God bless you for speaking truth in the darkness of ATS. I've long since given up and reverted to "infrequent lurker" status. And even though, for me personally, God made it clear that my efforts were to be directed elsewhere, there should always be a light in the darkness. Keep shining your light here as long as you are led to do so.

But be careful, ATS is a place that will chew you up and spit you out if you are not mindful of its subtleties. It is also not uncommon to come under spiritual attack for your efforts to share truth on this site. This place is very dark indeed, and only those whom God specifically leads here should tread. Godspeed.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: Sahabi

Psalm 83:18 NOG

18
so that they must acknowledge you.
Your name is Yahweh.
You alone are Elyon of the whole earth.

There is no polytheistic pantheon, there is only one God.

The Psalm before that 82:1-8 is a prophetic psalm of Judgment Day. See Revelations for the Thrones etc.

The following verse is in accord to the Canaanite religions, illustrating El to be the father of many sons, one of which is Yahweh.

"For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, can be likened to Yahweh, among the sons of EL.

- Psalm 89:6

a reply to: Cinrad

"Here the Bible implies what modern archaeologists and anthropologists have recently discovered: that Molech and Baal represent the same pagan god. The wife of Baal is Asherah and the wife of Molech is Ashteroth. Asherah and Ashteroth represent the same fertility goddess. This demon was known to the Greeks as Aphrodite; to the Egyptians as Isis; and to the Phoenicians as Tanet."

If we are taking archeology into account, just as we have discovered that Baal and Moloch represent the same deity by archetype and quality, we must also acknowledge that the mother goddess-consort Asherah and Baalat are directly linked to both El and Yahweh. Excavations at KuntilletArjud, Sinai Peninsula have uncovered the phrases, among others: "Yahweh of Samaria and his Asherah" and "Yahweh of Teman and his Asherah." In Ugarit, Asherah/Athirat was know as the consort of El.

a reply to: Cinrad

The Canaanites and the Anunaki

"I was looking at this from a point of view of harmonizing what is actually written in the different passages of the OT, the book of Enoch, "fringe" archaeology."

The Anunnaki are not the fallen angels nor are they the Nephilim. This is a crude and inaccurate correlation, propagated by the ancient alien theorists and followers of Zecharia Sitchin, Erich von Däniken, and Giorgio Tsoukalos.

The Nephilim result from the union between the Sons of God and humans. The Annunaki are the offspring of the gods Anu and Ki. Annunaki are the class of gods of whom humans were created. Nephilim are hybrids of gods and humans.

If we thoroughly and unbiasedly compare and contrast the religions, mythologies, and belief systems of the Mediterranean, Levant, and Fertile Crescent, we find a different correlation:


Bible / Canaan / Babylon / Greece

(Most High)
Elyon / Elyon / Anu / Uranus

(Elohim [singular, proper] / Anunnaki / Titans)
El / El / Enlil / Cronus

(Elohim [plural, proper] / Divine Council Leaders)
Elyon, El, Yahweh
Elyon, El, Baal
Anu, Enlil, Ea
Zeus, Poseidon, Hades

(Divine Courtship)
(El & Asherah), (Yahweh & Asherah)
(El & Athirat), (Baal & Baalat)
(Anu & Ki), (Enlil & Ninlil), (Marduk & Sarpanit)
(Uranus & Gaia), (Cronus & Rhea), (Zeus & Hera)


(elohim [plural, improper])
[Assembly of gods]

(B'nei Elohim / Sons of El / Igigi / Olympians)
[Sons of God] / [70 Sons of El]
Yahweh / Baal Hadad / Marduk / Zeus

(Sabaoth / Eudaemon)
[Heavenly Host / Angels]
Cherubim, Archangels, Malak Elohim, Watchers

(Nephilim / Apkallu / Demigods)
[Mortals of Divine origin]

(Elioud)
[Children of Nephilim]

a reply to: Cinrad

"Interesting, so many people who say what a load of crap the Bible is and you can't take it as historical fact, have no problem believing the passages where God commands genocide and the Israelites actually did it."

One does not have to accept the God of the Bible in order to appreciate the loose history of it. There is strong proof of the annihilation, displacement, and replacement of the native Levantines by the Hebrew-Israelites.

The very real Phoenicians, Philistines, Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, and Arameans of the Levant vanished, with their temples, cities, villages, and settlements abandoned, destroyed, and in ruins. There are Israelite settlements built atop Canaanite settlements.

originally posted by: WashMoreFeet
a reply to: Cinrad

Any time you see God declaring entire civilizations to be wiped out (interestingly enough, some of which we are told in the Bible to include even their animals) you can rest assured that there was a legitimate reason. Usually one that involved genetic tampering, which was the reason for the flood. The genetic tampering prior to the flood threatened the entire ecosystem of earth, plus the prophesied birth of the Messiah. If Christ had never had the opportunity to be born, then there would be no salvation for mankind. Another topic which is not a popular thing to discuss on ATS. Around here, people are much more comfortable with Jesus being an alien than a Savior.

Thanks for you post, yest it is interesting the bit about the animals, Saul lost the kingship partly because he did not slaughter all the animals but made a sacrifice of them. And Achan caused the Israelite defeat at Ai because he took some of the stuff that was meant for destruction.

you can rest assured that there was a legitimate reason

Isa 55:9 As high as the heavens are above the earth, so high are my ways and thoughts above yours.

a reply to: WashMoreFeet

Sodom and Gomorrah is another example of genetic tampering gone rampant, thus delegating the need for its utter annihilation. Not sure if you addressed that in your OP or not. The Books of Jasher, Jubiliees and 1 Enoch go into a bit more detail as to the phenomenon of genetic tampering, which is a major "No-No" in God's intricately ordered creation.

Why wouldn't an almighty, all knowing God, whom clearly has no qualms in destroying life, prefer to seek first and foremost, destruction of the guilty tamperers at onset of such gross offensive manipulation, rather than wait for a whole region of victimized children to be infected?

It is worth consideration that the same 'godlike' entities that genetically tamper for their own ends, also initiate destruction upon the subjects for their reaping at an appointed time. Energy of human suffering is all too often a great feast for these blood sacrifice yearning parasites, in long priming the manipulated and corrupted for the slaughter.

originally posted by: Neoleon
a reply to: WashMoreFeet

Sodom and Gomorrah is another example of genetic tampering gone rampant, thus delegating the need for its utter annihilation. Not sure if you addressed that in your OP or not. The Books of Jasher, Jubiliees and 1 Enoch go into a bit more detail as to the phenomenon of genetic tampering, which is a major "No-No" in God's intricately ordered creation.

Why wouldn't an almighty, all knowing God, whom clearly has no qualms in destroying life, prefer to seek first and foremost, destruction of the guilty tamperers at onset of such gross offensive manipulation, rather than wait for a whole region of victimized children to be infected?

God doesn't punish people before they commit the sin.
Gen 4:6 Then the LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry? Why that scowl on your face?
Gen 4:7 If you had done the right thing, you would be smiling; but because you have done evil, sin is crouching at your door. It wants to rule you, but you must overcome it."


And He doesn't kill the innocent along with the guilty as has been shown many times in the OT.

Gen 18:20 Then the LORD said to Abraham, "There are terrible accusations against Sodom and Gomorrah, and their sin is very great.
Gen 18:23 Abraham approached the LORD and asked, "Are you really going to destroy the innocent with the guilty?
Gen 18:24 If there are fifty innocent people in the city, will you destroy the whole city? Won't you spare it in order to save the fifty?
Gen 18:25 Surely you won't kill the innocent with the guilty. That's impossible! You can't do that. If you did, the innocent would be punished along with the guilty. That is impossible. The judge of all the earth has to act justly."
Gen 18:26 The LORD answered, "If I find fifty innocent people in Sodom, I will spare the whole city for their sake."
Gen 18:32 Abraham said, "Please don't be angry, Lord, and I will speak only once more. What if only ten are found?" He said, "I will not destroy it if there are ten."
Gen 19:16 Lot hesitated. The LORD, however, had pity on him; so the men took him, his wife, and his two daughters by the hand and led them out of the city.

a reply to: Cinrad

God doesn't punish people before they commit the sin.

Hi,

I questioned why was there no punishment at the onset of violations, meaning they had already been committed. This 'all knowing god', should have been very aware of a terrible agenda and the inevitable end result, and yet it was all allowed to 'play out'.

The tamperers and the destroyers are part of the same ilk, though one is called to explore beyond just one source to discover uncomfortable elements in existence concerning the gods who demanded worship and sacrifice from their 'pet sheep' in claiming upon a plantation established for their ends--and all the sorcery engaging, twisted scripture tools they utilize to harvest the spiritual essence of humanity. You just quoted from one.

And He doesn't kill the innocent along with the guilty as has been shown many times in the OT.

On the subject of Lot, interesting his wife had to die also after initially being spared as an 'innocent' apparently. Seems this 'lord' changes his mind very suddenly on whom lives, dies and receives protections in all his fiery wraths inflicted.

Furthermore, an account of the overlord's servant Moses, outlining the murder of children, those not virgins and further endorsing the captivity and ever likely rape of the women and girls 'spared'.

Numbers 31:1-18
31 Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Take full vengeance for the sons of Israel on the Midianites; afterward you will be gathered to your people.” 3 Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. 4 A thousand from each tribe of all the tribes of Israel you shall send to the war.” 5 So there were furnished from the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. 6 Moses sent them, a thousand from each tribe, to the war, and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war with them, and the holy vessels and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. 7 So they made war against Midian, just as the Lord had commanded Moses, and they killed every male. 8 They killed the kings of Midian along with the rest of their slain: Evi and Rekem and Zur and Hur and Reba, the five kings of Midian; they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. 9 The sons of Israel captured the women of Midian and their little ones; and all their cattle and all their flocks and all their goods they plundered. 10 Then they burned all their cities where they lived and all their camps with fire. 11 They took all the spoil and all the prey, both of man and of beast. 12 They brought the captives and the prey and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest and to the congregation of the sons of Israel, to the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by the Jordan opposite Jericho.

13 Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the congregation went out to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the captains of thousands and the captains of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. 15 And Moses said to them, “Have you spared all the women? 16 Behold, these caused the sons of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, so the plague was among the congregation of the Lord. 17 Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. 18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

To a tyrant mind, all that do not serve the dictatorial will in a militarized command are deemed 'guilty' to be punished and dispensable. The programming is so deep in this all, that evil is called good and the reverse has been greatly initiated.

edit on 10-11-2014 by Neoleon because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Cinrad

My theory in a nutshell: God ordered the total annihilation/genocide of the Canaanite peoples, including children, because they were descendents/genetically mixed with the children of rebel angels who took human wives.

Yahweh demonstrated the ability to take life on a whim. He had the power to totally wipe the weeds from the wheat. Instead, he prompted mankind to do it. His title was Lord of Hosts, meaning his Angels could have done the job in one day. Instead, he made a murderer out of David.

In Genesis 9, it states this:

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

7 Be fertile, and increase in number. Spread over the earth, and increase.”

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF ELOHIM ABOVE, NOT YAHWEH.

Keep in mind, this is AFTER the flood that claimed to wipe out ALL living life. When Yahweh's words and actions got to a certain point, Elohim (Father) cut him off at Malachi 4. After this, he was forced to incarnate into the 'Branch' / Jesus and become a Kinsman. He paid the price for the bloodshed he had caused by hanging on a cross. This payment has not ended war.

What is the central truth of the entire thing? Yahweh created the Snake. Check Genesis 3. What did he say to the Snake at the end of the OT?

3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. Satan the Accuser was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”

What did he say as Jesus to the Snake:

Matthew 4

10 Yeshua said to him, “Go away, Satan! Scripture says, ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came to take care of him.

Again. Who created the Snake?

Genesis 3

3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made.

Genesis 6 and Jude 1 represents fallen Angels corrupting mankind. What is Yahweh? The LORD of those Hosts of Angels. One thing he is not is Elohim (Father) from Genesis 1. After the fall of man in Genesis 3, we see Yahweh Elohim lose the title Elohim. Use the Names of God Bible and check. He then proclaims himself to be the only God of Israel, even though Elohim had promised blessing on ALL nations through the Rainbow. ALL colors. Yahweh selected ONE color, then tried to kill the rest.

What is the real problem here? Yahweh and our lack of understanding about him. We fail to read the words of the Bible for all they are worth.

Mankind has never been in error. The one that created the snake is in error. He is the parasite for the hosts. We are a host.

GOD, ELOHIM, JEHOVAH

1ST.
Anything that is worshiped can be termed a god, inasmuch as the worshiper attributes to it might greater than his own and venerates it. A person can even let his belly be a god. (Ro 16:18; Php 3:18, 19) The Bible makes mention of many gods (Ps 86:8; 1Co 8:5, 6), but it shows that the gods of the nations are valueless gods.—Ps 96:5; see GODS AND GODDESSES.

Hebrew Terms. Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ʼEL, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” (Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. It is also used extensively in the makeup of proper names, such as Elisha (meaning “God Is Salvation”) and Michael (“Who Is Like God?”). In some places ʼEL appears with the definite article (HA·ʼELʹ, Literally, “the God”) with reference to Jehovah, thereby distinguishing him from other gods.—Ge 46:3; 2Sa 22:31

At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called,
ʼEL GIB·BOHRʹ, “Mighty God” (not ʼEL SHAD·DAIʹ [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1).

The plural form, ʼE·LIMʹ, is used when referring to other gods, such as at Exodus 15:11 (“gods”). It is also used as the plural of majesty and excellence, as in Psalm 89:6: “Who can resemble Jehovah among the sons of God [BI·VENEHʹ ʼE·LIMʹ]?” That the plural form is used to denote a single individual here and in a number of other places is supported by the translation of ʼE·LIMʹ by the singular form The·osʹ in the Greek Septuagint; likewise by Deus in the Latin Vulgate.

The Hebrew word ʼELO·HIMʹ (gods) appears to be from a root meaning “be strong.” ʼELO·HIMʹ is the plural of ʼELOHʹAH (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Ge 31:30, 32; 35:2), but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. ʼElo·himʹ is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.

When applying to Jehovah, ʼELO·HIMʹ is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence. (Ge 1:1) Regarding this, Aaron Ember wrote: “That the language of the O[ld] T[estament] has entirely given up the idea of plurality in . . . [ʼELO·HIMʹ] (as applied to the God of Israel) is especially shown by the fact that it is almost invariably construed with a singular verbal predicate, and takes a singular adjectival attribute. . . . [ʼELO·HIMʹ] must rather be explained as an intensive plural, denoting greatness and majesty,
being equal to The Great God.” [Read", The American Journal of Semitic Languages and Literatures, Vol. XXI, 1905, p. 208]

The title ʼELO·HIMʹ draws attention to Jehovah’s strength as the Creator. It appears 35 times by itself in the account of creation, and every time the verb describing what he said and did is in the singular number. (Ge 1:1–2:4) In him resides the sum and substance of infinite forces.

At Psalm 8:5, the angels are also referred to as ʼELO·HIMʹ, as is confirmed by Paul’s quotation of the passage at Hebrews 2:6-8. They are called benehʹ HA·ʼELO·HIMʹ, “sons of God” (KJ); “sons of the true God” (NW), at Genesis 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1. Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, by Koehler and Baumgartner (1958), page 134, says: “(individual) divine beings, gods.” And page 51 says: “the (single) gods,” and it cites Genesis 6:2; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Hence, at Psalm 8:5 ʼelo·himʹ is rendered “angels” (LXX); “godlike ones” (NW).

The word ʼELO·HIMʹ is also used when referring to idol gods. Sometimes this plural form means simply “gods.”
(Ex 12:12; 20:23) At other times it is the plural of excellence and only one god (or goddess) is referred to. However, these gods were clearly not trinities.—1Sa 5:7b (Dagon); 1Ki 11:5 (“goddess” Ashtoreth); Da 1:2b (Marduk).

At Psalm 82:1, 6, ʼELO·HIMʹ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh.—Ex 4:16, ftn; 7:1.

In many places in the Scriptures ʼELO·HIMʹ is also found preceded by the definite article HA.
(Ge 5:22) Concerning the use of HA·ʼELO·HIMʹ, F. Zorell says: “In the Holy Scriptures especially the one true God, Jahve, is designated by this word; . . . ‘Jahve is the [one true] God’ De 4:35; 4:39; Jos 22:34; 2Sa 7:28; 1Ki 8:60 etc.”—Lexicon Hebraicum Veteris Testamenti, Rome, 1984, p. 54; brackets.

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Cinrad

My theory in a nutshell: God ordered the total annihilation/genocide of the Canaanite peoples, including children, because they were descendents/genetically mixed with the children of rebel angels who took human wives.

Yahweh demonstrated the ability to take life on a whim. He had the power to totally wipe the weeds from the wheat. Instead, he prompted mankind to do it. His title was Lord of Hosts, meaning his Angels could have done the job in one day. Instead, he made a murderer out of David.

In Genesis 9, it states this:

6 Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans his blood will be shed,
because in his image, Elohim made humans.

7 Be fertile, and increase in number. Spread over the earth, and increase.”

THESE ARE THE WORDS OF ELOHIM ABOVE, NOT YAHWEH.

Keep in mind, this is AFTER the flood that claimed to wipe out ALL living life. When Yahweh's words and actions got to a certain point, Elohim (Father) cut him off at Malachi 4. After this, he was forced to incarnate into the 'Branch' / Jesus and become a Kinsman. He paid the price for the bloodshed he had caused by hanging on a cross. This payment has not ended war.

What is the central truth of the entire thing? Yahweh created the Snake. Check Genesis 3. What did he say to the Snake at the end of the OT?

3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. Satan the Accuser was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”

What did he say as Jesus to the Snake:

Matthew 4

10 Yeshua said to him, “Go away, Satan! Scripture says, ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve only him.’”

11 Then the devil left him, and angels came to take care of him.

Again. Who created the Snake?

Genesis 3

3 The snake was more clever than all the wild animals Yahweh Elohim had made.

Genesis 6 and Jude 1 represents fallen Angels corrupting mankind. What is Yahweh? The LORD of those Hosts of Angels. One thing he is not is Elohim (Father) from Genesis 1. After the fall of man in Genesis 3, we see Yahweh Elohim lose the title Elohim. Use the Names of God Bible and check. He then proclaims himself to be the only God of Israel, even though Elohim had promised blessing on ALL nations through the Rainbow. ALL colors. Yahweh selected ONE color, then tried to kill the rest.

What is the real problem here? Yahweh and our lack of understanding about him. We fail to read the words of the Bible for all they are worth.

Mankind has never been in error. The one that created the snake is in error. He is the parasite for the hosts. We are a host.

2ND.
The Greek Term. The usual Greek equivalent of 'EL and ʼELO·HIMʹ in the Septuagint translation and the word for “God” or “god”.
In the Christian Greek Scriptures is THE·OSʹ.

The True God Jehovah. The true God is not a nameless God. His name is Jehovah. (De 6:4; Ps 83:18) He is God by reason of his creatorship. (Ge 1:1; Re 4:11) The true God is real (Joh 7:28), a person (Ac 3:19; Heb 9:24), and not lifeless natural law operating without a living lawgiver, not blind force working through a series of accidents to develop one thing or another. The 1956 edition of The Encyclopedia Americana (Vol. XII, p. 743) commented under the heading “God”: “In the Christian, Mohammedan, and Jewish sense, the Supreme Being, the First Cause, and in a general sense, as considered nowadays throughout the civilized world, a spiritual being, self-existent, eternal and absolutely free and all-powerful, distinct from the matter which he has created in many forms, and which he conserves and controls. There does not seem to have been a period of history where mankind was without belief in a supernatural author and governor of the universe.”

Proofs of the existence of “the living God.” The fact of the existence of God is proved by the order, power, and complexity of creation, macroscopic and microscopic, and through his dealings with his people throughout history. In looking into what might be called the Book of Divine Creation, scientists learn much. One can learn from a book only if intelligent thought and preparation have been put into the book by its author.

In contrast to the lifeless gods of the nations, Jehovah is “the living God.” (Jer 10:10; 2Co 6:16) Everywhere there is testimony to his activity and his greatness. “The heavens are declaring the glory of God; and of the work of his hands the expanse is telling.” (Ps 19:1) Men have no reason or excuse for denying God, because “what may be known about God is manifest among them, for God made it manifest to them. For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.”—Ro 1:18-20.

Jehovah God is described in the Bible as living from time indefinite to time indefinite, forever (Ps 90:2, 4; Re 10:6), and as being the King of eternity, incorruptible, invisible, the only true God. (1Ti 1:17) There existed no god before him.—Isa 43:10, 11.

Infinite, but approachable. The true God is infinite and beyond the mind of man fully to fathom. The creature could never hope to become equal to his Creator or understand all the workings of His mind. (Ro 11:33-36) But He can be found and approached, and He supplies his worshiper with all that is necessary for the worshiper’s welfare and happiness. (Ac 17:26, 27; Ps 145:16) He is ever at the zenith of his ability and willingness to give good gifts and presents to his creatures, as it is written: “Every good gift and every perfect present is from above, for it comes down from the Father of the celestial lights, and with him there is not a variation of the turning of the shadow.” (Jas 1:17) Jehovah always acts within his own righteous arrangements, doing all things on a legal basis. (Ro 3:4, 23-26) For this reason all of his creatures can have complete confidence in him, knowing that he always abides by the principles he establishes. He does not change (Mal 3:6), and there is no “variation” with him in the application of his principles. There is no partiality with him (De 10:17, 18; Ro 2:11), and it is impossible for him to lie.—Nu 23:16, 19; Tit 1:1, 2; Heb 6:17, 18.

His attributes. The true God is not omnipresent, for he is spoken of as having a location. (1Ki 8:49; Joh 16:28; Heb 9:24) His throne is in heaven. (Isa 66:1) He is all-powerful, being the Almighty God. (Ge 17:1; Re 16:14) “All things are naked and openly exposed to the eyes of him,” and he is “the One telling from the beginning the finale.” (Heb 4:13; Isa 46:10, 11; 1Sa 2:3) His power and knowledge extend everywhere, reaching every part of the universe.—2Ch 16:9; Ps 139:7-12; Am 9:2-4.

The true God is spirit, not flesh (Joh 4:24; 2Co 3:17), though he sometimes likens his attributes of sight, power, and so forth, to human faculties. Thus he speaks figuratively of his “arm” (Ex 6:6), his “eyes,” and his “ears” (Ps 34:15), and he points out that, since he is the Creator of human eyes and ears, he certainly can see and hear.—Ps 94:9.