Mom Upset After Son Receives Flu Vaccine Without Her Consent

Regardless whether it was a flu vaccine or an asprin, the school is not the parent.

The school is not the authority of the child.

The school is simply a structure where children are provided a state approved education.

Everyone is getting off-topic on the flu shot.

Take it, don't take it; I don't care.

But god help the miserable son-of-a-bitch who makes decisions concerning my child.

I brought my granddaughter to the doctors for a checkup. We had just changed doctors. I told my granddaughter she cannot take the flu shot because it makes her sick. She had been having severe asthma attacks prior to this and was taking inhalers.

The nurse asked us if it was all right to give her the gardacil shot and the Hep A shot and the flu shot in the waiting room. My wife and I said no to all of them. Now, she went into the room to talk to the doctor by herself before we were called in and I discussed the flu shot with the doctor. He said he was aware that she had a bad reaction to the flu shot and would not give it. After telling him that we took one med away because the doctor that prescribed it said to quit it, he said she should take it anyway. Now there was a good reason for not taking it. The doctor who's name was on the prescription said no yet this doctor said to take it anyway. I am going to believe the doctor who has his name on the script.

As he was walking out he said that they will send the nurse in to give her her three vaccines, I asked him, I thought she was just supposed to get the tetnus booster. He said no, she doesn't need the tetnus, but she needs the gardacil and the hep A and another controvercial one. I asked him if they are required, he said they were recogmended, so I told him I already had declined these vaccines with the nurse. He smirked and said she needed them, I told him that I am not giving her these, the alum triggers problems in us. He tried to talk me into it, I told him I am not authorizing it. He planned to give these shots without our consent, in fact we had told the nurse no. If we hadn't been paying attention and I hadn't asked he would have had the nurse give them. I am switching to a different doctor, I don't like doctors that trick people. My wife and granddaughter both heard me refuse these in the waiting room and they know from the actions of the doctor that he was trying to deceive us. Hew had the paper from the nurse in his hand, he could see they were checked no. He was going to override our authority. I have power of attorney, and my daughter, her mother, also said definitely no on these two shots. I don't know what the third shot was, but I bet it was the flu shot since he said she did not need the tetnus booster.

I am not intimidated by a doctor. When I brought up why the other doctor said to quit the steroid and the research I did on it he said that people are always looking on the net and misinterpreting things. I told him the info came from the FDA that said the two medications cannot be given together and also that I research medical and scientific sites to get my info, not facebook or gripe sites. I quoted evidence, he just gave an opinion with nothing to back it, defying the concerns of the Cardio-pulmonary doctor who had run the actual tests on her.

originally posted by: SpongeBeard
a reply to: TheSilverGate

these anti-vaccine nutters need to stfu and gtfo the way of medicine. They're just morons who don't understand the science and are instead parroting the nonsensical quackery of some internet blogger, or phd-less 'doctor'

Look into the Amish and why the children do not get autism.......I am not saying it is vaccine related but researches should figure it out. Something is not right and the numbers and the Amish prove it.

originally posted by: TheSilverGate
Seems as if this is an on going issue.
The school system has become the parent.
Dangerous territory.

An Idaho third-grader received a flu vaccine at his public school without parental consent last week — the result of a “mix-up,” according to the West Ada School District — leaving angry mom Letisha Huff wanting answers from officials there. “These are our children, they’re not guinea pigs,” Huff tells local news station KTVB. “Either get it right, or don’t do it at all.” Yahoo Parenting was not able to reach Huff for additional comment.

www.yahoo.com...

She has every right to be upset. What the school did was not only immoral, it was illegal.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I brought my granddaughter to the doctors for a checkup. We had just changed doctors. I told my granddaughter she cannot take the flu shot because it makes her sick. She had been having severe asthma attacks prior to this and was taking inhalers.

The nurse asked us if it was all right to give her the gardacil shot and the Hep A shot and the flu shot in the waiting room. My wife and I said no to all of them. Now, she went into the room to talk to the doctor by herself before we were called in and I discussed the flu shot with the doctor. He said he was aware that she had a bad reaction to the flu shot and would not give it. After telling him that we took one med away because the doctor that prescribed it said to quit it, he said she should take it anyway. Now there was a good reason for not taking it. The doctor who's name was on the prescription said no yet this doctor said to take it anyway. I am going to believe the doctor who has his name on the script.

As he was walking out he said that they will send the nurse in to give her her three vaccines, I asked him, I thought she was just supposed to get the tetnus booster. He said no, she doesn't need the tetnus, but she needs the gardacil and the hep A and another controvercial one. I asked him if they are required, he said they were recogmended, so I told him I already had declined these vaccines with the nurse. He smirked and said she needed them, I told him that I am not giving her these, the alum triggers problems in us. He tried to talk me into it, I told him I am not authorizing it. He planned to give these shots without our consent, in fact we had told the nurse no. If we hadn't been paying attention and I hadn't asked he would have had the nurse give them. I am switching to a different doctor, I don't like doctors that trick people. My wife and granddaughter both heard me refuse these in the waiting room and they know from the actions of the doctor that he was trying to deceive us. Hew had the paper from the nurse in his hand, he could see they were checked no. He was going to override our authority. I have power of attorney, and my daughter, her mother, also said definitely no on these two shots. I don't know what the third shot was, but I bet it was the flu shot since he said she did not need the tetnus booster.

I am not intimidated by a doctor. When I brought up why the other doctor said to quit the steroid and the research I did on it he said that people are always looking on the net and misinterpreting things. I told him the info came from the FDA that said the two medications cannot be given together and also that I research medical and scientific sites to get my info, not facebook or gripe sites. I quoted evidence, he just gave an opinion with nothing to back it, defying the concerns of the Cardio-pulmonary doctor who had run the actual tests on her.

Hep A? That's a weird one. Hep A isn't that endemic in Michigan.

A flu vaccine might be a good idea with a kid with respiratory problems, but I'd leave that to her cardiopulmonologist as he's the one familiar with her lungs and respiratory condition. Tetanus booster is a good idea. The Gardasil and Hep A? The first one unnecessary for a kid and the second one was just weird. I only got the kids their Hep A when doing international travel in a region endemic for it.

a reply to: NavyDoc

The tetnus we had given our approval of. The flu shot intolerance has been verified by two doctors previously in her. She had it once by a shot and once by a nasal spray, the doctor would not give her the second nasal spray treatment because of her reaction. So the reason may not be the alum in the shots with the flu vaccine. Although, there could be some adjuvant in the nasal spray.

We definitely found that she cannot eat pickles with alum, her asthma goes crazy. Somehow the aluminum causes the asthma symptoms to get a lot worse. Mercury can do the same thing I guess, they both are adjuvants.

I have been avoiding pickles with alum for thirty years or more, but I never thought to tell my daughter about this. She bought a gallon of pickles with alum in them, the grandchildren go wild with pickles. All her kids were sick this fall, but I don't think they were actually that sick. I think the alum was accentuating things and the immune systems of the kids overreacted, making them appear sick when they weren't. A couple of weeks after the pickles were gone and the kids are all doing better. Alum is a fungicide and also kills off many microorganisms. If the kids ate just a couple of pickles, no problem. But six to eight ounces at a sitting is not good. The gallon of pickles only lasted a week and a half.

I can't take the new DTAP for some reason, it made me create a lot of mucus and I was coughing up all sorts of stuff. I used to get a tetnus shot with no effects, but they changed it since my last one about twelve years ago. I think it is the pertusis part myself, but it could be the dyptheria or a different adjuvant. I guess I will never know for sure, it will be years before I get one again.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: NavyDoc

The tetnus we had given our approval of. The flu shot intolerance has been verified by two doctors previously in her. She had it once by a shot and once by a nasal spray, the doctor would not give her the second nasal spray treatment because of her reaction. So the reason may not be the alum in the shots with the flu vaccine. Although, there could be some adjuvant in the nasal spray.

We definitely found that she cannot eat pickles with alum, her asthma goes crazy. Somehow the aluminum causes the asthma symptoms to get a lot worse. Mercury can do the same thing I guess, they both are adjuvants.

I have been avoiding pickles with alum for thirty years or more, but I never thought to tell my daughter about this. She bought a gallon of pickles with alum in them, the grandchildren go wild with pickles. All her kids were sick this fall, but I don't think they were actually that sick. I think the alum was accentuating things and the immune systems of the kids overreacted, making them appear sick when they weren't. A couple of weeks after the pickles were gone and the kids are all doing better. Alum is a fungicide and also kills off many microorganisms. If the kids ate just a couple of pickles, no problem. But six to eight ounces at a sitting is not good. The gallon of pickles only lasted a week and a half.

I can't take the new DTAP for some reason, it made me create a lot of mucus and I was coughing up all sorts of stuff. I used to get a tetnus shot with no effects, but they changed it since my last one about twelve years ago. I think it is the pertusis part myself, but it could be the dyptheria or a different adjuvant. I guess I will never know for sure, it will be years before I get one again.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. If alum is her trigger, she needs to avoid it. I like pickles too!

originally posted by: Aquariusdude
vactruth.com...


12 year old dies after receiving the HPV vaccine.. Sad Id rather be a "tree hugger" then give my kids poison that can potentially injure them for life or kill them.

Isn't this thread about someone being given the flu vax without parental consent?
Last I heard the flu vax and Gardasil were two very different things.
Oh right, they're vaccines.
So they must be all the same right?
Just like acetominophen and ibuprofen are painkillers so they're exactly the same right?
Hmmm.

Going back to the girl you referenced though.
According to the reports she visited the doctor because she had a sore throat. A sore throat she had BEFORE she was given the vaccine.
And a subsequent medical report proves that she died because of diphenhydramine intoxication and NOT because of the vaccine at all.
www.wisn.com...
So she's probably accidentally overdosed on an over-the-counter medication.
But you spin it like you want eh?
Anything to push your agenda.
Bear in mind though that over 3000 women a year die of cervical cancer in the USA alone and the HPV vax can prevent that.
That's 3000 women every year.


And for the anti-mercury in vaccine brigade on here....
It's LESS than 25 mcg of ethyl-mercury in a dose of the vax.
That's MICROgram.
That's a MILLIONTH of a gram.
That's very small.
And 90% of it is excreted in the first two days with virtually all being excreted in a week.
The dose makes the poison however you wish to twist it.

Oh, vaccines are injected directly into the bloodstream (especially the oral and intra-nasal ones...)
They're injected either intramuscularly or subcutaneously and reach the blood via the lymphatic system
Not dissimilar to when you ingest something and it reaches the blood via the digestive system.


And my two-pennyworth on the thread subject is that I would be livid if my child was given any non-emergency medication without my knowledge or consent.

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: SpongeBeard
a reply to: TheSilverGate

these anti-vaccine nutters need to stfu and gtfo the way of medicine. They're just morons who don't understand the science and are instead parroting the nonsensical quackery of some internet blogger, or phd-less 'doctor'

Look into the Amish and why the children do not get autism.......I am not saying it is vaccine related but researches should figure it out. Something is not right and the numbers and the Amish prove it.

Amish children DO get autism though.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Mom needs to sue the school system for that mistake
enough is enough

a reply to: SpongeBeard

Some of us really have to monitor what kind of vaccines our kids get. prime example is allergic reactions to some vaccines. I had to fight like hell to make the state realize the swine flu vaccine messed my daughters sinuses up after the one dose she had. she has issues today from that. if anyone sticks my daughter with a needle that I am not aware of and present for, there is going to be hell to pay. its not about being anti vaccine, its about being a good parent and child safety.

originally posted by: SpongeBeard
a reply to: TheSilverGate

these anti-vaccine nutters need to stfu and gtfo the way of medicine. They're just morons who don't understand the science and are instead parroting the nonsensical quackery of some internet blogger, or phd-less 'doctor'

You're right, they must comply! How dare subjects of the empire choose not to receive a flu vaccine and this not maybe reduce their chances of coughing a little for a few days by 10%?! Who do they think they are?!

Vaccines, especially newer ones, are known to be 100% safe, necessary, and effective. The human immune system is useless. Cars ride on square wheels. The sun is blue. People who don't want flu or chicken pox vaccines are "nutters."

Apologies if your post was sarcastic as well. It didn't seem to be, though i do find it hard to believe anyone outside of North Korea would think that way.

If you had a 3rd grader, would you want politicians deciding what to do with and to his or her body?

Wow...

originally posted by: oubliette
a reply to: SpongeBeard

Some of us really have to monitor what kind of vaccines our kids get. prime example is allergic reactions to some vaccines. I had to fight like hell to make the state realize the swine flu vaccine messed my daughters sinuses up after the one dose she had. she has issues today from that. if anyone sticks my daughter with a needle that I am not aware of and present for, there is going to be hell to pay. its not about being anti vaccine, its about being a good parent and child safety.

And that's the primary point. Agree with vaccines, disagree with vaccines--it doesn't matter in the context of this story because anyone giving your minor child medication without your consent (absent an ER type emergency) is not only wrong, it's illegal. What the school did was assault, plain and simple, and there should be criminal charges filed.

What happened to the good old days when they lined up the kiddies and gave them mass vaccinations with airguns like they do in induction?

a reply to: Pardon?





There has been a total of 3 cases of autism among the Amish community by the way.www.southmilwaukeenow.com... The Amish do not follow vaccine schedules for there children as much as the regular population.

Its the other ingredients that are put into vaccines that are suspected of causing damage to some children and some adults they pretty much the same across the board with most vaccines..And this is what they are according to the cdc:
www.cdc.gov...

The girl died shortly after taking the vaccine, the mother was with her and only left her for 30 minutes. Don't you think she would know if she was taking antihistamines?Use common sense.

And who has a higher chance of having an agenda here? I have nothing to gain from this..Yet big pharma has plenty to gain arguing for the safety of there drugs and vaccines...

And one of the key researchers that helped develop the hpv vaccine came out and said the vaccines are not safe and not worth the risks..www.trueactivist.com...

Virginia on October 2 – 4, 2009, an unlikely announcement was given by lead vaccine researcher, Dr. Diane Harper. The key researcher in the development of the human papilloma virus vaccines, Gardasil and Cervariz, came forward and spoke the truth regarding lack of effectiveness the vaccines offer.
Shockingly, it seems there is no actual evidence that the vaccine can prevent any cancer anyway. From the manufacturer’s own admissions, the vaccine only works on 4 strains out of 40 for a specific venereal disease that dies on its own in a relatively short period. Therefore the chance of it actually helping an individual is about the same as the chance as him being struck by a meteorite

Read More: www.trueactivist.com...

Read More: www.trueactivist.com...


As for the amount of mercury in thermosal I already covered that.The amount of mercury found in vaccines with thermosal were over 25,000 times higher then the amount allowed by the epa in regular drinking water..


www.globalresearch.ca...

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a reply to: Pardon?

As for the amount of mercury in thermosal I already covered that.The amount of mercury found in vaccines with thermosal were over 25,000 times higher then the amount allowed by the epa in regular drinking water..


www.globalresearch.ca...


And saying that the injection of mercury containing vaccine is no different then ingesting it is laughable.

a reply to: Aquariusdude

If you can't see the difference in dosage between something you drink by the liter on a daily basis and something you have injected by the microgram on a yearly basis OR the difference between ethylmercury and methylmercury then you really have no business airing your ignorant opinions in public.

a reply to: Aquariusdude

They do get vaccinated in high numbers:

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

easy to prove though, if unvaccinated groups have the same rates for autism as vaccinated groups then the vaccines obviosuly aren't the contributer:

the study reviewed records of 537303 children born in Denmark between January 1991 and December 1998, representing almost 100% of children born in that period. Of these children 440655 had been vaccinated. Records were retrieved from three sources: the unique identification number assigned to each child at birth; MMR vaccination data reported to the National Board of Health by general practitioners, who give all MMR vaccinations and are reimbursed for their reports; and diagnoses of autism recorded in the Danish Psychiatric Central Registry. Only specialists in child psychiatry diagnose autism and related conditions.

The study considered the children's sex, weight and gestational age at birth, and age at diagnosis of autism or of a related disorder; the socioeconomic status of the parents; and the mother's education.

The authors found that “There was no increase in the risk of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders among vaccinated children as compared with unvaccinated children (adjusted relative risk of autistic disorder, 0.92; 95% confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24; adjusted relative risk of other autistic-spectrum disorders, 0.83; 95% confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07).”

In addition, the authors found no association between the development of autistic disorder and the age at vaccination, the interval since vaccination, or the calendar period at the time of vaccination.

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

a reply to: TheSilverGate

No nuts! Vaccines? Of course!

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: Aquariusdude

They do get vaccinated in high numbers:

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

easy to prove though, if unvaccinated groups have the same rates for autism as vaccinated groups then the vaccines obviosuly aren't the contributer:

the study reviewed records of 537303 children born in Denmark between January 1991 and December 1998, representing almost 100% of children born in that period. Of these children 440655 had been vaccinated. Records were retrieved from three sources: the unique identification number assigned to each child at birth; MMR vaccination data reported to the National Board of Health by general practitioners, who give all MMR vaccinations and are reimbursed for their reports; and diagnoses of autism recorded in the Danish Psychiatric Central Registry. Only specialists in child psychiatry diagnose autism and related conditions.

The study considered the children's sex, weight and gestational age at birth, and age at diagnosis of autism or of a related disorder; the socioeconomic status of the parents; and the mother's education.

The authors found that “There was no increase in the risk of autistic disorder or other autistic-spectrum disorders among vaccinated children as compared with unvaccinated children (adjusted relative risk of autistic disorder, 0.92; 95% confidence interval, 0.68 to 1.24; adjusted relative risk of other autistic-spectrum disorders, 0.83; 95% confidence interval, 0.65 to 1.07).”

In addition, the authors found no association between the development of autistic disorder and the age at vaccination, the interval since vaccination, or the calendar period at the time of vaccination.

pediatrics.aappublications.org...

From your own link

Conclusions: The reasons that Amish parents resist immunizations mirror reasons that non-Amish parents resist immunizations. Even in America's closed religious communities, the major barrier to vaccination is concern over adverse effects of vaccinations. If 85% of Amish parents surveyed accept some immunizations, they are a dynamic group that may be influenced to accept preventative care. Underimmunization in the Amish population must be approached with emphasis on changing parental perceptions of vaccines in addition to ensuring access to vaccines.