The Refinement of Eve through Time to Mary - Two Sets of DNA from the Rib / Jonah Speaks

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: Prezbo369
See it yet?

I see you grasping at straws.

Again and again.

originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: AlephBet

Saints call for bloodthirsty vengeance?

Par for the course I guess in your primitive and barbaric set of beliefs.

Who do you judge by judging others? It's the point of the thread.

a reply to: WarminIndy

All weddings have a dress rehearsal.

originally posted by: AlephBet
a reply to: WarminIndy

All weddings have a dress rehearsal.

And there is a ceremony and actual consummation. I am asking you the spiritual significance for the moment of consummation. The proof was in the old days of the bloody sheet shown to the people, that proved her virginity.

This is the same imagery the writers of the Bible would understand.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Following the comments and hope this may help -

First of all I have to say I don't agree with everything Alephbet says and in fact sometimes it goes way over my head and either that's because he's so deep into his own way of thinking or he might be on to something. In any case understanding the Bible should be easy for all - especially if filled with the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is written most of the time from a Jewish viewpoint as that was the religion of the time and Jesus was Jewish. We are all children of God and all are now His family. But to understand the viewpoint of Jewish traditions is vital in understanding the words and imagery used. Ie: we, the Church, i.e.: believers (and not a building Church) are the bride and Jesus is the bridegroom. You can look this up to understand better. So forget all about male/female dominance/being subservient. Forget about the female body structure.

As to male nipples here is a link that may help understand. And I see it being within God's all knowing glory to simply make male nipples part of the male erogenous zone. answersingenesis.org...

Take care all.

originally posted by: ccseagull
a reply to: Prezbo369

Following the comments and hope this may help -

First of all I have to say I don't agree with everything Alephbet says and in fact sometimes it goes way over my head and either that's because he's so deep into his own way of thinking or he might be on to something. In any case understanding the Bible should be easy for all - especially if filled with the Holy Spirit.

The Bible is written most of the time from a Jewish viewpoint as that was the religion of the time and Jesus was Jewish. We are all children of God and all are now His family. But to understand the viewpoint of Jewish traditions is vital in understanding the words and imagery used. Ie: we, the Church, i.e.: believers (and not a building Church) are the bride and Jesus is the bridegroom. You can look this up to understand better. So forget all about male/female dominance/being subservient. Forget about the female body structure.

As to male nipples here is a link that may help understand. And I see it being within God's all knowing glory to simply make male nipples part of the male erogenous zone. answersingenesis.org...

Take care all.

I do appreciate your answer, however, have we become so Christianized that we can't deal with one of the most fundamental concepts within Jewish marriage?

Yes, it was written in imagery and no one could deny the imagery in the Song of Solomon when it proclaims her breasts and thighs and people who read it know exactly what it is talking about, but within the context of Jewish marriage, even the bloody sheet becomes part of theology that the OP isn't addressing.

There is an importance to understand the consummation, because that makes it legal, even in those days, that was the legality of marriage. We shouldn't shy away from it because it doesn't seem spiritual. We have to discuss it from within that context, that's why I bring it up.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Yes, I see what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification and great explanation.

a reply to: WarminIndy

I get your words here. Have you considered This in relation?

Ecclesiastes 11

5 As you do not know the path of the wind,
or how the body is formed[a] in a mother’s womb,
so you cannot understand the work of God,
the Maker of all things.
6 Sow your seed in the morning,
and at evening let your hands not be idle,
for you do not know which will succeed,
whether this or that,
or whether both will do equally well.

Compare this to the letters repeating from the seed to the end of the plowman's mark of the Tav. How many furrows are necessary to prepare the house? The groom must first go away to build the house before making the home.



The Ghah enters the ayin. Again and again until the land is prepared. The letters hold the secret. Above the seed and thorn, we have creation. One the plow pulls us to the Tav, we must plow again. The land is prepared from the circle of seed to land. This is the grooms work. All must be taught to work the land.

When the house is built, the home can engage and a consummation take place.

Toil first. The tent peg is in the hand until the work is complete.

He wants his two front teeth. Read the meaning of shin. Shin Meaning

originally posted by: ccseagull
a reply to: Prezbo369
In any case understanding the Bible should be easy for all - especially if filled with the Holy Spirit.

i.e if you already believe the bible as true, then you should understand it?

Forget about the female body structure.

Eh? it's the 'female body structure' that makes a female a female, same with males...

As to male nipples here is a link that may help understand. And I see it being within God's all knowing glory to simply make male nipples part of the male erogenous zone. answersingenesis.org...

The same answers in genesis source that states:

Actually, evolution posits that mammals evolved from reptiles and that the divergence of male and female took place first in reptiles.

and

In reality, if evolution were true, then it could be argued that male nipples are still developing and that men should be able to breast-feed in the future!

The author obviously doesn't have a clue.

a reply to: AlephBet

Coming from a female perspective, there is so much more I could add to this.

When you are dealing with certain images, remember that words can have more than one meaning as well as the interpretation. Consider this, why is a woman's body preparing for the time she will conceive? What goes on with her before it happens?

I think the writers of the Bible knew this, but I think someone is leaving something out.

Let me translate this passage for you, that you said...

The Ghah enters the ayin. Again and again until the land is prepared. The letters hold the secret. Above the seed and thorn, we have creation. One the plow pulls us to the Tav, we must plow again. The land is prepared from the circle of seed to land. This is the grooms work. All must be taught to work the land.

The rope enters the eye......can we say more than that? If we do then it belongs to a whole new forum on a whole other website.

a reply to: Prezbo369

Are there 22 chromosomes from each parent? Are there two sex chromosomes, one from each parent?. The Ghah is in the ayin, just as the seed is in the thorn. Sister Sally must sit on the thistle. The whirlwind and thorn tree. Circles eternity.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Yes. You get it. Also, the Nun (Seed) of Christ is the seed of the high priest. It sits on the thistle. This is the point of the song when it says, "Sister Sally/Suzy Sitting on a Thistle." He just wants his Shin (Spirit / Flame) back again. The female is the Ruach Elohim, or Spirit of God. It is the eternal flame in the coal that is never consumed by the fire.

A consummation is when two become one. Consumed in the other. This gets back to the Father (Elohim) being the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He is invariant symmetry in nature. We are the translational symmetry of the flickering flame. It's physics, biology and of course marriage.

Do a very quick search of the author of this song. How many students were in his classroom when he was inspired to write this song?

LINK

Then, recalled Gardner, “the teacher said something funny and they all laughed, and I noticed that 16 of the 22 in the class were missing their front teeth.”

a reply to: WarminIndy

If he had his two front teeth, he could whistle.

Isaiah 5:26

26 Yahweh raises up a flag for the nations far away.
With a whistle he signals those at the ends of the earth.
Look, they are coming very quickly!

Can't whistle without two front teeth. It's a problem for having a merry Christmas.

LOOK!

I have used lots of symbolism here, but let's put this in practical terms. In the Song, "All he wants for Christmas are his two front teeth," what is he after? His Shin, or Spirit. The Shin is the Ruach Elohim, or Holy Spirit. She is Feminine. Do a search for "Ruach Elohim" in the names of God Bible. Here is a link: Easy Button In each case, the Holy Spirit has what nature from these verses?

Now, do a search for the "Ruach Yahweh": Easy Button 2. What nature emerges from these verses?

The Spirit he desires is for a merry Christmas, or a Spirit of giving. This is the Shin that is developed from the Female side of Yahweh's spirit, or the female below in creation. The female is each of us here in the body of mankind. Eve was taken from Adam.

In the next example, Sister Suzy (NUN) is sitting on a thistle (Sin). If you examine the Hebrew, this is indeed the case:



In the Catholic church, the nuns sit on the priest's thistle. This is a commonly known abuse of the female. Babylon is the harlot. The other female that the priests abuse is that of the material world. They make an idol out of the commerce they produce from Babylon. What do the verses from Ezekiel 28 point to in the OP? Again, I show you the error in the Son. What is the obelisk sitting in Rome signify?

Job 19

I know that my redeemer lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.
26 And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet in my flesh I will see God;
27 I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!

28 “If you say, ‘How we will hound him,
since the root of the trouble lies in him,’
29 you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.”

He knows the Redeemer. He knows he will be baptized (born again). He knows the trouble lies in Him (Redeemer). The Seed will remain on the thistle (thorn as a crown) until the Father removes it. The flame that spoke to Moses was in the thorn tree as a the same flame in the coal (Carbon / Mark of Mankind / 6 protons, 6 electrons 6 neutrons).

All symbolism shows you who the coal is and who the flame is. The work of the flame in the lamp comes from the oil for the lamps of the virgins. For Babylon, this oil is literal carbon, or the mark of mankind. All of this symbolism shows us what is happening with the seed of the female. It is being refined by the refiner's fire.

Deuteronomy 4

15 You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, 16 so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, 17 or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars—all the heavenly array—do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven. 20 But as for you, the Lord took you and brought you out of the iron-smelting furnace, out of Egypt, to be the people of his inheritance, as you now are.

Herob means "to dry up, be in ruins, lay waste." What is a refinery? Egypt is smelting something. God calls us out of Egypt. Who is he calling?

The graven images above are likenesses we can identify today from present technology. What does God promise after we come out of Egypt (using the fruit of knowledge / technology)?

Deuteronomy 6

10 When the Lord your God brings you into the land he swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to give you—a land with large, flourishing cities you did not build, 11 houses filled with all kinds of good things you did not provide, wells you did not dig, and vineyards and olive groves you did not plant—then when you eat and are satisfied, 12 be careful that you do not forget the Lord, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Who brings out out? The same one that took us in. It's a process to refine the one that had the error. As I show, Jonah (the only sign the Pharisees, Sadducees, Experts in the Law, Bankers (moneychangers), and false Priests would get. Jonah is the leader that judged Nineveh. He was the prophet that the Lord used to show mercy and not destruction. By this, the Lord Himself witnessed a story about Himself. In the end, the Son hung on the cross as Yahweh rises to new life from the baptism. For all of us, this is the story.

Will the Son show Mercy? He must. His own words judge him if he fails. Jonah will repent and realize his error. By this Mercy, we will all know why Jesus was correct with his words to us. The seed is on the thistle until the lower nature of the seed is refined. It must be burnt away.

The Spirit of the Son must be refined through us. By this, we are refined. We are HIS image.

Chet is sin, or missing the mark. Tav is the mark. It will be hit again and again until the sin is removed from the Seed. Two front teeth will allow Him to whistle.

Isaiah 5

26 He lifts up a banner for the distant nations,
he whistles for those at the ends of the earth.
Here they come,
swiftly and speedily!
27 Not one of them grows tired or stumbles,
not one slumbers or sleeps;
not a belt is loosened at the waist,
not a sandal strap is broken.

The Obelisk in Rome is the Phallic symbol: LINK WIKI

Genesis 49

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he to whom it belongs shall come and the obedience of the nations shall be his.

Feet is a euphemism for genitalia, or what is between the feet. This is the same feet of Boaz that Ruth uncovered. When she did, Boaz threw the sandal. Again, symbolism for possessing the land and the female gleaning the field of the male Guardian Redeemer. As you read these words, realize that Yahweh is speaking here from a different perspective. Once he hangs on a tree (Like Absalom), he will whistle a different tune. His spirit must be changed by ours.

See Absalom's revolt and David's sin as the Father.

originally posted by: WarminIndy
a reply to: Prezbo369

Nervous laughter? Me? Pfft.

I read your links, to prove it I will say that mice don't have them.

So you got 'em, so what? It's not the females stressing out over it. You started out as a female, good, now why then should women be viewed generally as worthy of domination and authority over her, as the OP suggests?

It's important not to hastily rebut the notion of feminine subservience with an emotionally reactive response (which is generated from the reptilian part of the brain). The fact is that in this terrestrial incarnation, the female is the weaker vessel, but this is only so that she will (or should) stay humbled in order to be raised to glory.

The fact that the male is born with the (anatomical) "rod" is symbolic of his authority over the weaker vessel in this incarnation, as scripturally, the rod (scepter, staff, etc) denotes authority. Why then should the female be willing to take on the spirit of servitude?

For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. (Luke 14:11)

For nothing is hidden, that will not be revealed; nor anything secret, that will not be known and come to light. (Luke 8:17)

Humility must come before honor. Cosmic masculine (left-brain) energies have been the driving force of the world for so long that they will eventually (soon) cause mankind to destroy itself through greed and violence if the feminine spirit of self-sacrifice is not raised up. Just as the New Testament says that the woman is to remain silent and "covered," and the right brain SUB-conscious remains concealed by the overbearing left-brain, the time will soon come when what has been humbled and silenced will be glorified.

It is necessary that the feminine cosmic energies come to prominence, because again, the overabundance of masculinity is setting mankind on a self-destructive course. The passive, gentle, and peaceful feminine spirit has been silenced, but she will soon be given a voice!

Out of his mouth proceeds a sharp, double-edged sword, that with it he should strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod. (Revelation 19:15)

When Christ returns with the iron rod, the Body of Christ (masculine) will not reign with Him, but it will be the Bride of Christ to come together with Him and His iron rod in order to bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom. The masculine must be abased because he has abused the authority he has been given in this terrestrial reality.

So you can see, as opposed to getting emotional or defiant about the issue, it would be better to accept the fact that the female IS in fact naturally under the dominion of the male, because accepting this fact is the humility required in order to soon be lifted up!

a reply to: AlephBet

I think you may have just offended Catholics. You speak as though it is a common practice among nuns and priests.

I knew this sounded familiar and went to look for it, it's Edna St. Vincent Millay that you are telling us.

THE SINGING-WOMAN FROM THE WOOD'S EDGE

WHAT should I be but a prophet and a liar,
Whose mother was a leprechaun, whose father was a friar?
Teethed on a crucifix and cradled under water,
What should I be but the fiend's god-daughter?

And who should be my playmates but the adder and the frog,
That was got beneath a furze-bush and born in a bog?
And what should be my singing, that was christened at an altar,
But Aves and Credos and Psalms out of the Psalter?

You will see such webs on the wet grass, maybe,
As a pixie-mother weaves for her baby,
You will find such flame at the wave's weedy ebb
As flashes in the meshes of a mer-mother's web,

But there comes to birth no common spawn
From the love of a priest for a leprechaun,
And you never have seen and you never will see
Such things as the things that swaddled me!

After all's said and after all's done,
What should I be but a harlot and a nun?

In through the bushes, on any foggy day,
My Da would come a-swishing of the drops away,
With a prayer for my death and a groan for my birth,
A-mumbling of his beads for all that he was worth.

And there sit my Ma, her knees beneath her chin,
A-looking in his face and a-drinking of it in,
And a-marking in the moss some funny little saying
That would mean just the opposite of all that he was praying!

He taught me the holy-talk of Vesper and of Matin,
He heard me my Greek and he heard me my Latin,
He blessed me and crossed me to keep my soul from evil,
And we watched him out of sight, and we conjured up the devil!

Oh, the things I haven't seen and the things I haven't known,
What with hedges and ditches till after I was grown,
And yanked both ways by my mother and my father,
With a "Which would you better?" and a "Which would you rather?"

With him for a sire and her for a dam,
What should I be but just what I am?

The line in bold reminded me.

a reply to: TombEscaper


Adam to Abraham is 2 Days, or 2000 years. At the end of this first age, the Father is risen into the Son.

Issac to Jesus is the next 2 Days, or 2000 years. At the end, the Son rises into the body.

Mary to Present is the next 2 Days, or 2000 years. We know that the Holy Spirit rises at this point into the Son.

Symbolism in this video is of a mirror, reflecting the mask of the person wearing the mask. The queen of Heaven is dressed in Red. The black veiled brides are with her. What is the white smoke and dark smoke compared to the direction it travels? What of the mirror image we see her appear in? Like the song "Two Front Teeth," this too is inspired by the Spirit. The Father's Pen in the hand of the Scribe lives on in our artwork today.

As I have pointed out in other threads, Angels speak in symbols. The book of Revelation was written to the seven Angels leading the seven churches.

a reply to: TombEscaper

If she is to have a voice, then how do you know it hasn't happened now? Emotional response from subservience? How do you know she isn't being raised at this moment?

And you take the iron rod as meaning the male anatomy, to rule her by? And Prezbo thought I was being over-feminist. When the Queen of Sheba comes to judge, she will judge against those who denied the wisdom of Solomon, because a greater than Solomon is here.

I'm not married to every male so none of them have authority, because women are to be subject to their OWN husbands, but the husband is also subject to his own wife. Why do you think the commandment was "thou shalt not covet after thy neighbor's wife"? Do you think that it was because males were lusting after women that did't belong to them, so they could place dominance over them?

The Queen of Sheba is going to rise in judgment, as well as the men of Sodom, if this world thinks God will excuse them. Is the male dominated world ready for the Queen of Sheba to rise in judgement?

a reply to: WarminIndy

Compare the last video I just posted to this one. Who is the woman with 13 red roses and the two lions? What symbolism is outlined here? Who gives the sling to the men, then disrobes at the end? Note the priest with the temple prostitutes. Note the tattoos on the next beast to kill (American Symbolism / Washington and Lincoln).

a reply to: WarminIndy

Matthew 12:42 (MEN OF NINEVEH, NOT SODOM)

The Sign of Jonah

38 Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said to him, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

39 He answered, “A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and now something greater than Jonah is here. 42 The Queen of the South will rise at the judgment with this generation and condemn it; for she came from the ends of the earth to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, and now something greater than Solomon is here.

43 “When an impure spirit comes out of a person, it goes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44 Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ When it arrives, it finds the house unoccupied, swept clean and put in order. 45 Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.