Corporate Retailers will again disrupt their workers thanksgiving family dinner and get together for

originally posted by: rockintitz
The only reason retailers would open earlier is because of the demand.

Shoppers can vote with their feet. Employees can as well.

You can't control a segment of the population who get the pleasure from shopping.

Retail businesses close their doors on Easter and Christmas because these holidays are family homecoming celebrations. They've always been respected holidays and are reserved for family time. Thanksgiving has also been a traditional homecoming holiday. Retailers should respect their workers rights to have time with their family on this holiday. Just because there's a demand doesn't make their decision to open their doors right. There's other business who have decided to keep their doors closed out of respect for their workers right to have a traditional Thanksgiving holiday.

Retailers are using the public's anticipation of "Black Friday," the traditional start of the Christmas shopping season, to piggyback on Thanksgiving to gain additional profits. You can't control how people vote let alone control someone's personal pleasure when it comes to shopping.

a reply to: AgentShillington

There are many of us that simply don't care about observing whatever holiday everyone else is in to at whatever point in time everyone is into it.

Thanksgiving? Whatever.

There may be families like yours who don't enjoy coming together on traditional holidays, but I can wager that many more do. The main point is, some businesses just don't value or respect their employees. Workers are just as responsible for making these businesses successful as the owner who started it. Employers need to recognize this and treat their employees with dignity and respect. People around the world are slowly losing the respect and consideration for our fellow man in favor of greed and pleasure.

a reply to: Maluhia

Thanks for including that list to this thread. Those retail stores who respect their workers should be acknowledged for doing the right thing.

a reply to: Hoosierdaddy71

Thanksgiving and christmas days are two huge movie days to. They have been for years.
Those people work to.
Gas station employees work.

And in years past, you would be hard pressed to find an open gas station or a movie theater showing movies on those holidays. It clearly shows how we're moving in favor of profit and greed over respect and consideration for workers across this country. It's a sad perspective.

a reply to: learnatic

It's a sad perspective for workers all over the world.

Waaah...wahhh..wahhh.

Look, if you (or anyone) feel so darn strong about this topic, then either:

1. Spend a vacation day
   
2. Take a no-pay day
   
3. Find a job at a company that meets your own expectations
   

Nobody is entitled to anything in this world (that means you get no trophy just for showing up). If you want something, then YOU need to make it happen. Don't expect others to make decisions for you, that is for children. Grow up, and make the hard decisions yourself....stop relying on others to do that for you. Also, if you make the hard decision expect to live with the consequences. That is what real life is all about...cut the apron strings, please.
< rant off >

a reply to: Krakatoa

Wow aren't you a tough cookie. Are you sure you don't chew on nails when you're bored? It sounds like you expect every business owner to treat people like they're dirt! Entitled? People are entitled to be treated with respect and consideration. According to you, it sounds like the only people who should be entitled are those people at the top of the food chain. Have some heart and consideration for people who are working just to get by, who are not expecting a handout or entitlements and just want to be treated like the majority of hard workers.

It's sad when the same people who are being enslaved by the upper 10 percent, support that very system.

a reply to: WeRpeons

As expected, you just don't get it do you? I grew up with nothing handed to me at all, in the worst area in our city. I busted my butt for everything I have, every day. I was taught if you want something, then you are the one that needs to make it happen (within the law, obviously). Do not expect anyone else to give you a break, you need to seize the opportunities as you see them, and improve your elf if need be to get ahead. But then, I grew up long before the 80's-90's socialist experimental movement where if you showed up at the field to play, WOW! You get a trophy, because everyone is special. When I entered the workforce, I did not whine and expect my employer to adjust to my needs, because, guess what, IT'S A FRIGGING BUSINESS, not a charity. I made sacrifices, I put in my 100%, and if I didn't like how I was treated, I left and found something more aligned with my ideals.

For example, I was a kids (ages 9 - 12) minor league baseball coach during that time, and I refused to allow that type of coddling. I got lots of grief from parents upset their little bundle of fluff didn't get any trophy. I explained calmly that, they did nothing special during the season to warrant a trophy. Trophies are EARNED not given. Years later, I would meet some of these same kids from my team as they grew to adulthood. Every one of them thanked me for doing that, and many said it was the first time anyone had ever pushed them to do harder in order to earn that trophy (and some of them did in those years do that and were rewarded for their effort). It made them realize that things in life that you want cost something (be it money, effort, sacrifice, etc...) and it helped them accept and deal with the small disappointments in life much easier.

I really do not expect you to understand, and, it makes me sad that you will never know the joy of earning something in your life. It is sad, really....very sad indeed.

a reply to: WeRpeons

I have NEVER complained about working. I always volunteer for shifts or work that is not staffed properly. That is true my entire life for as long as I have worked.

I REFUSE to work on Christmas, new years day, or on thanksgiving. Thats 3 days of the year out of well more than 300 others I will work no problem.

There is a basic concept of respect and consideration to your employees. I never made my employees work on those 3 days even if they are christian or not. IF I had to come in for MY BUSINESS for what ever reason on those days I went alone, did what I needed to do and left. If anyone came with me because they wanted to on their own it was to eat and drink on those days while we cleaned up or did prep work and we left early as hell so they and myself could get back to our families.

If you dont get this you shouldnt own a business, large or small. People NEED their personal lives and strength of family.

If not you get terrible people who are tired and pissed as employees and sometimes you make them that way.

This early opening for sales in my opinion is completely WRONG. Just stayed closed until the normal opening on Friday morning. It worked that way just fine for many many years. I blame All big stores for the trend to open earlier and earlier. I just cannot imagine that it would be making that much difference in opening at 6PM on Thursday. Pretty soon the stores will simply stay open just as they normally do.
I wish it was back like it was in the 50's where nothing was open after closing on Friday night.

a reply to: WeRpeons

You can't control a segment of the population who get the pleasure from shopping.

Exactly.

So the blame is not solely on the the retailers side.

originally posted by: Ceeker63
This early opening for sales in my opinion is completely WRONG. Just stayed closed until the normal opening on Friday morning. It worked that way just fine for many many years. I blame All big stores for the trend to open earlier and earlier. I just cannot imagine that it would be making that much difference in opening at 6PM on Thursday. Pretty soon the stores will simply stay open just as they normally do.
I wish it was back like it was in the 50's where nothing was open after closing on Friday night.

And the manufacturing jobs were not outsourced overseas back then either. The margins for retailers these days are soooo slim that they need to do this to stay profitable (since that is the reason to have a business, profit). It's tough enough to compete with that, let alone the online shopping done these days too.

a reply to: rockintitz

So the blame is not solely on the the retailers side.

They are the gate keepers. So they are in control. Store closed no shoppers.

a reply to: WeRpeons

No.

Your complaint is that you believe that your morality is the correct morality.

Who are you to tell the rest of us how, or what, to hold as sacred? If you wish to celebrate your holiday, then celebrate your holiday, and leave the rest of us out of it.

a reply to: tadaman

Unfortunately some employers are blinded by how much green they can generate. You're absolutely right about the importance of employee morale. Piss enough people off, loyalty and a good days work goes out the window. People have lives outside their work place. They need that family time and taking away those main traditional holidays from them really shows a lack of consideration and respect from their employer.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: tadaman

Unfortunately some employers are blinded by how much green they can generate. You're absolutely right about the importance of employee morale. Piss enough people off, loyalty and a good days work goes out the window. People have lives outside their work place. They need that family time and taking away those main traditional holidays from them really shows a lack of consideration and respect from their employer.

As I said before.....you want to take that day off, then do it (with or without pay). However, be prepared to suffer any consequences for your mature decision. If the employer disagrees on a holiday, then, either find one who does, and needs your expertise. Or even better, since this is America, start your own business and give every one of you employees every single holiday they want off, with pay. I'd like to see how long you stay in business doing that though. It's called economics....

a reply to: AgentShillington

I hope you're not a business owner because you seem to have no heart what so ever. What is sacred and human is treating someone with respect and not have a "screw you attitude". It seems to me you're very much in the minority on this issue.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Your arrogance is leading you to utterly miss the point. It's not just the employees that need to tell the employers where to shove what, but the consumers that would otherwise back the employer's choice with their money. Consumers need to step up to the plate and make it not worth the companies' time to be open. Period. An employee refusing to come in won't achieve that, the revenue generated is still going to be generated when YOU, Krakatoa the consumer, walks in with money. Don't give the companies the satisfaction of being open in literally the middle of a holiday dinner for early Black Friday sales that can wait, make it a money sink to do so.

originally posted by: WeRpeons
Unfortunately some employers are blinded by how much green they can generate. You're absolutely right about the importance of employee morale. Piss enough people off, loyalty and a good days work goes out the window. People have lives outside their work place. They need that family time and taking away those main traditional holidays from them really shows a lack of consideration and respect from their employer.

When I had my two restaurants we were open on the holidays as they were some of the busiest days of the year. The wait staff did very well as we often had a full house the entire day.

a reply to: Nyiah

Arrogance? Hardly (BTW, personal attacks diminish your position in a debate). As a kid, my dad worked EVERY Christmas (he worked for the USAF, who never close). He earned double-pay for that holiday, and we as a family understood that the sacrifice of that for the extra cash was more of a benefit for us than him being there in the morning. We adjusted, since his job was important in providing for the family. Then after the celebrations, he would head off to his 2nd job at night.

It's not arrogance, it's sheer determination to do what is needed to provide for a family in rough times. Sitting around whining about not being taken care of is not something I advocate nor accept as a positive way to live. That's my opinion, but don't expect someone else to adjust to your idea of right and wrong. That is your decision as a thinking being.