Can you really make ghosts and/or spirits leave a home?

a reply to: sparky31

when ur body decides times up then times up and thats it,your brains dead,no soul,no going to pearly gates

I know its easy to disbelieve spirituality because of man made religion. Thats the ruse. Obviously religion is crap, I agree with you. Thats the ruse behind it to put people off of a real spiritual path.

Yes many times you can get them to leave. I've smudged with sage while saying Christian exorcism prayers, also using holy water and blessed salt, and it's cleared my home and kept it clear for a few months at a time.

Every house I"ve lived in has been haunted. Some workplaces as well. I am of the opinion that spooks are everywhere and its just that most people don't pay attention so folks don't notice them.

After smudging and praying the prayers, my home felt very soft and comfortable. It was like walking in a giant marshmallow. I can't even describe it. Exceptionally peaceful. Very nice.

I recommend these things to folks and I recommend doing it once a month or so for maintenance. It works well, at least for me.

a reply to: AgentShillington

Even more than that, it sounds like a bunch of idiot guards scaring some kids.

Except that the transom window couldn't be reached without a pole from the outside. I was looking right at the second one when it slammed shut all by itself. Up until then I was thinking the same thing that you just said.

If you could also explain how the "idiot guards" made the shimmering mirage thingy appear and move between us, I'm all ears. They didn't know what a hologram projector was back in those days. The "apparition" was opaque, too, as I recall. It moved from the upper corner of the "cell" through the air to disappear between us. I am sure you could replicate all that with a "flashlight" for me.

originally posted by: KROandSOTV
No because there is no such thing as Ghosts.

That's funny. Yes there are. My husband used to think like that. Then, before we were married, he spent the weekend with me in my family home. He couldn't deny the truth of it any longer .... ghosts are real.

Ghosts are everywhere. Most are rather quiet so it's just a matter of paying attention. Some get loud. But they are there. They are always around.

A more relevant question would be Do ghosts, demons and spirits actually exist?
I suppose if you believe they do then I see no reason why they cannot be removed from ones home.
The power of suggestion is extremely powerful and as reality and experience exist only in our minds, then of course you could remove these things from your mind.

a reply to: SanFrancisco1956

I recommend you read: The Demonlogist, The Extraordinary career of Ed and Lorraine Warren.

This couple investigated the Amityville Horror case and thousands of others.

There is a big difference between ghost and inhuman spirits and often the inhuman spirit pretends to be a ghost.

I would also recommend you don't play with them otherwise you could endanger yourself or your loved ones.

Demonologists die horrible deaths every year due to be under-trained and/or acting foolish into believing they have what it takes to fight evil. Sometimes it takes much more than the name Of Jesus Christ and blessed objects.

Today many think being a demonologist is cool, well if living a lonely life and always under spiritual attack is cool to you then I guess its cool.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: KROandSOTV
No because there is no such thing as Ghosts.

That's funny. Yes there are. My husband used to think like that. Then, before we were married, he spent the weekend with me in my family home. He couldn't deny the truth of it any longer .... ghosts are real.

Ghosts are everywhere. Most are rather quiet so it's just a matter of paying attention. Some get loud. But they are there. They are always around.

No they are not real.

Noises at night, House warms up in day cools down at night House will make noise .

Puting something down and then not finding it where you think you left it, so you blame the ghost, Actually its like you're driving somewhere and all of a sudden you think to yourself, How on earth did i get here i cant remember driving past such and such a place.

Show me a video in colour of a ghost, If youre home is as you say it is, easy to prove or any video of a Ghostie in colour.

Its all the mind, next people will be saying the thing that Derron Brown does is real?

But if FlyersFan does exactly that and produces a video- what then? Is it then supposedly 'fake and obviously not real'?

originally posted by: SanFrancisco1956
...can you really make a ghost or spirit (intelligent type of course) leave a home if they don't want to leave?

Of course you can, stop believing in them and they're gone.

It's simple and much easier than wearisome religious rituals and prayers, that merely enhance your superstitious fears and thus doing more harm than good.

originally posted by: Pitou
But if FlyersFan does exactly that and produces a video- what then? Is it then supposedly 'fake and obviously not real'?

No i just spent a couple of hours looking at so called Ghostie vids.

And the truth is not out there.

Until a ghost slaps me round the chops, and i have been to many castles old houses with my wife who is also deluded in to believing that they exist,and i have never ever seen or heard a ghost.

Cause the don't exist

originally posted by: KROandSOTV
No they are not real.

Yes they are real. Not every bump in the night is a ghost. But they absolutely are real.

Show me a video in colour of a ghost, If youre home is as you say it is, easy to prove or any video of a Ghostie in colour.

Actually I've had spooks show up on regular picture film. They didn't look like people, they look like glowing white blobs. Misty sometimes. I won't bother posting them. It wouldn't convince you. You won't let it.
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We've had the typical spook stuff ... someone walking up and down the stairs in shoes and leaning on the banister, doors opening and closing by themselves, kitchen cabinets and kitchen drawers opening and then closing by themselves all while someone rummaged through the drawers and cabinet contents, different dog toys squeaking and squeaking by themselves with no one around them, listening while someone rummaged through the items on top of my dresser, my daughters view master clicking through a view master reel by itself, being touched, having voices talking and saying your name, someone picking up the bottles of vitamins and shaking them - you could hear the shaking of the vitamins in the next room, someone running their fingers over the page ends of books in the bookcase - made that 'ziiiiip' sound, neighbors seeing people in the windows of our house looking out at them when no one is home here, the list of happenings goes on and on.

So to the OP ... SMUDGE the house and use the prayers. It quiets things down for us. It may for you. Good luck.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

originally posted by: KROandSOTV
No they are not real.

Yes they are real. Not every bump in the night is a ghost. But they absolutely are real.

Show me a video in colour of a ghost, If youre home is as you say it is, easy to prove or any video of a Ghostie in colour.

Actually I've had spooks show up on regular picture film. They didn't look like people, they look like glowing white blobs. Misty sometimes. I won't bother posting them. It wouldn't convince you. You won't let it.
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We've had the typical spook stuff ... someone walking up and down the stairs in shoes and leaning on the banister, doors opening and closing by themselves, kitchen cabinets and kitchen drawers opening and then closing by themselves all while someone rummaged through the drawers and cabinet contents, different dog toys squeaking and squeaking by themselves with no one around them, listening while someone rummaged through the items on top of my dresser, my daughters view master clicking through a view master reel by itself, being touched, having voices talking and saying your name, someone picking up the bottles of vitamins and shaking them - you could hear the shaking of the vitamins in the next room, someone running their fingers over the page ends of books in the bookcase - made that 'ziiiiip' sound, neighbors seeing people in the windows of our house looking out at them when no one is home here, the list of happenings goes on and on.

So to the OP ... SMUDGE the house and use the prayers. It quiets things down for us. It may for you. Good luck.

Thing is im pretty open minded,you stated that you're home/houses/workplaces have Ghosties or people have seen ghosts in youre windows when not at home.You have just fallen into the same trap as all the others where's the proof non can be offered or found.

I was brought up in a pub till i left home said pub was built in 1811 next door to it was the prison pound where many a poor soul died,now the only wailings i saw or heard was the drunks that the old man used to kick out at 11.30.

No ghosts plenty of spirits behind the bar but no ghosts.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that you and my wife are the same person as both of you come out with the same stuff

Ghosts are bundles of energy with human personality. They are the product of a lifetime of energy in a human body. Much like a caterpillar becomes a butterfly, energy (the human soul) leaves the body and becomes it's true self that has developed. This energy and personality can do things like move objects and interact, but not all energy can be seen or photographed. Science is not at that level to be able to do that. Yet.

a reply to: SanFrancisco1956

Short answer: Yes.

Long Answer: It depends. In my experience, some spirits/ghosts choose to stay behind, whether to watch over loved ones, protect property, or defend their right to be where they are. Just like a squatter or a protester, they have their own will, their own wants and needs. We, as corporeal beings, can strongly suggest that they leave, but in the end, it really is up to them.

All mysticism aside, I strongly believe in the power of personal intent. You don't need trinkets, sage bundles, bells, daggers, etc. It is the intention that truly matters. If your intent is to remove the spirit/ghost from your home, make your intent strong enough to give the message.

On the other side of the coin, personal intent may not be enough if you're dealing with a darker/negative spirit. I've only dealt with one in all of the years that I've researched in this field, and it seems that a stronger conviction of intent (or faith, as the case may be) is needed, which is why priests, pastors, etc. are usually a better choice to utilize when dealing with these types of spirits.


Hope that helps.


-TS

First off I don't know what a U2U is, I have no clue who you are and I don't bail after asking a question. I DO try to listen to everyone's responses before responding, being polite. I asked the question because a friend of mine is having an issue, has most definitely paid money to several "clearers", each one found something different, and nothing got better. . So I have begun to wonder if a ghost can be made to leave if they don't want to. Simple as that.

I know she has tried salt, sage, gem stones, telling them to leave, and the normal channels of removal. She has gotten to the point where she probably just has to live with them. They haven't done anything aggressive to her, but mainly spook her by making noises, pulling blankets off while sleeping, hearing people have discussions, things occasionally flying off the wall or table, footsteps, etcetera.

She also has had what she feels are abduction experiences which ties in with another thread I posted, spent an hour typing and then it disappeared. I will be back to explain that one as it isn't a one or two liner experience she has had.

SF
a reply to: intrptr

I do appreciate all the kind people who offered ways or suggestions on what they have done to deal with a ghost situation. I really appreciate the time and effort people made to answer my question or give me their opinion, well almost everyone.....
Cheers
SF

a reply to: SanFrancisco1956

a reply to: DeathSlayer

I'm living proof you're 100% wrong. But hey, stick with your dogma and superstitions. Also, the Warrens aren't credible (IMHO) either, and a lot of other people who have looked into them have came to the same conclusion.

I can only hope one day people will drop the spiritual/religious doctrine when dealing with the occult and paranormal, and open their eyes to the truth: that no one has any real idea whatsoever as to the truth of it, and most of what passes for metaphysical fact is complete and utter BS.

I think you hit the nail on the head....she claims it is her house, they say it is their house. It is an old home that originally burned down to the foundation and was rebuilt. We have no idea if anyone was hurt in the fire or not.

Thanks and cheers,
SF
a reply to: truthseeker1984

a reply to: SanFrancisco1956

First off I don't know what a U2U is, I have no clue who you are and I don't bail after asking a question.

A U2U is a private message to/from members of ATS. When the little clear envelope in the upper right of your screen turns white you have private messages pending.

Secondly, although we don't "know each other" in the real world we have interacted on your intro thread and the last thread you made about this issue. I coached you about bringing this issue up on ATS lending support to you and private messaging others (including Mods) to try and help. You're welcome for the assistance, by the way.

I see that I am now just offending you in this regard and leave you to your own devices.

originally posted by: SanFrancisco1956
I asked the question because a friend of mine is having an issue, has most definitely paid money to several "clearers", each one found something different, and nothing got better. . So I have begun to wonder if a ghost can be made to leave if they don't want to. Simple as that.

Most mediums are BS and deluded people, if not flat out frauds. If they are charging, go somewhere else. It's the oldest scam in the book.

As I stated, when people feed their fears, superstitions, and dogma into their paranormal experiences, this is what can happen. That seems to be the case here. And because she seems to be so troubled, I would suggest the path to some semblance of self-mastery isn't an option for her at this time. Instead, figure out what her religious/spiritual beliefs are, and start using them for her benefit, instead of her detriment, which is obviously what's happening now. Many Westerners have success with Jesus, because it's such a strong archetype and so firmly planted in their pop culture ("THE POWERS OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!"). Good luck and hope she wins the 'battle'. However, in my experiences, a lot of people who have these sort of experiences are so stuck in their fears it's like an addiction to them and they are always having some sort of 'spiritual' trouble or another.