Horrific: ANOTHER Beheading in Oklahoma

a reply to: Feltrick

Ya I guess I read it wrong, foot in mouth for me

a reply to: Jomina

"Crockett’s brother, Jesse, told police Marin is a “heavy drug user” and “religious zealot,” according to the affidavit.

A religious Zealot can be anyone that is taking to the extremes such as an occult or santanism too.

If you are following the story in one report it says ""CAccording to the affidavit, he began “rambling about sacrificing and magic.”. ""

He said Jacob Crockett and his brother, Jesse, “were practicing witchcraft and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs.”

witchcraft and Christian beliefs are totally different. Christians do not practice witchcraft.

So I guess the deciding factor is that if you want to blame this on the christian than by all means do so.

a reply to: RunForTheHills

He said Jacob Crockett and his brother, Jesse, “were practicing witchcraft and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs.”

So jacob and jesse were practicing witchcraft, and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs...
Were are you getting that Isaiah was in on the witchcraft?
Could it be he targeted jacob cause he had the beliefs?

The defendant’s brother, Samuel Marin, said “in the past Jacob and Isaiah had disagreements because Jacob and Jesse were practicing witchcraft and Isaiah had strong Christian beliefs,” a Stillwater police officer reported in the affidavit.

Can we not ignore this?
Strange how your source leaves out the disagreement part?

The defendant’s brother also told police “Isaiah had been watching YouTube videos related to his Christian beliefs and the Book of Matthew” earlier.

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a reply to: Sremmos80

Hardly foot in the mouth, just glad you called that nonsense out!

It is weird that we're seeing more beheadings but I guess when a wackjob sees something like this they want to imitate it.

a reply to: Sremmos80

It seems as though you are hell bent on blaming the Christians. Sorry, I am not taking the bait. Anyone that knows anything about Christianity knows this boy was not a Christian.

Police are currently saying there is no connection of this beheading to terrorism or any specific religious group, but rather that Marin was a heavy drug user who fantasized about killing a number of people, including his victim, Crockett.

I guess you missed this part too.

a reply to: RunForTheHills

Uh no official religious group. He was Christian and a religious zealot. This was an act of Christian extremism by definition.

a reply to: RunForTheHills

No I am just hell bent on calling out the double standard that when the person shows beliefs in one religion it is considered a jihad and people go out of there way to blame an entire religion.
But when it is another the religion aspect is completely ignored.

And a specific religious group would be something like ISIS, which IMO is what they are implying that this attack had nothing to do with them, which I would have to agree.
They are not saying that religion played no part as Christianity would not be seen as a 'group'
Look you already made the point that christian beliefs do not condone witchcraft which him and the victim had a history of arguing about...
If you refuse to make that connection then I don't know what to say.

a reply to: Sremmos80

The double standard is so blatant. Propaganda is so effective

a reply to: Sremmos80

Are you trying to defend ISIS? Or the Muslims?
Why would you target one group to defend another?

a reply to: RunForTheHills

Neither, again just calling a spade a spade and showing the double standard.
I am not targeting anyone, the info is there and I am just pointing it out.
Hardly targeting.

But of course in this day in age if you speak against anything christian then your are an undercover ISIS agent just waiting to be activated.

originally posted by: RunForTheHills

originally posted by: WhiteAlice
a reply to: RunForTheHills

lol, for a moment I though, holy crap, not another one in Oklahoma but then I saw that the victim and perp were the same. Posted this yesterday here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

I'm guessing that it got lost in the search for Oklahoma beheadings as I saw a number of posts on those subjects.

Sorry I did not see your post. I will redirect any new information there. Thanks.

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"christian" + "extremist" "beheading" "nutjob" successfully associated together

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That's the article I read. Honestly, after reading that the guy had strong religious views and that he was relating his views back to certain Christian scriptures the first thing that came to mind was "Well there's another thing 'Christianity' and 'Islam' will have in common." It also made me want to know what sort of 'witchcraft' the victim had been practicing. Satanism is called witchcraft, voodoo is called witchcraft, Wicca is called witchcraft... It's just a general term for anything that involves rituals or the like. My reasoning for wanting to know is because Christians have always had something against Wiccans and even Satanists. Satanists, I understand. Wiccans, I do not.

I have a feeling that this will probably be shrugged off because the guy isn't Muslim.

a reply to: Lyxdeslic

You must be defending ISIS for attacking christianity!!!!!!
/sarcasm

Tsk Tsk.

Crazy intolerant Christian from The US beheads Pagan in display of murderous religious extremism.

But then his religion can at times portray peaceful Pagan Deities as demons. He was probably just trying to recreate The Burning Times. Only with a mahoosive blade and not a fire.

And this evil witch was going to burn for all eternity at the behest of a jealous Jehova anyway, right?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Lyxdeslic

You must be defending ISIS for attacking christianity!!!!!!
/sarcasm

It's what I do.
/sarcasm.

originally posted by: RunForTheHills
On Wednesday afternoon, officers say they received a 911 call from Marin, saying he had just killed someone.

According to an arrest affidavit, Marin told police, “I murdered someone.”

According to the affidavit, he began “rambling about sacrificing and magic.”

Crockett’s brother, Jesse, told police Marin is a “heavy drug user” and “religious zealot,” according to the affidavit.
The report says Samuel stated Isaiah had been watching YouTube videos related to his Christian beliefs.

A heavily censored version of the 911 call from Marin and some additional details have been released and are in the video on this page:

911 Calls Released from Oklahoma Beheading Attempt: Bloody Man Walking Down Street with Machete…

It also goes into a sordid family history of the suspect - his father was murdered, and his mother was convicted of conspiring to commit the murder.

Interesting that there was a controversial black mass in Oklahoma city recently and shortly afterwards there are two beheadings there, with at least one somehow tied into “rambling about sacrificing and magic.”

I don't like to think about something like demonic possession. Partly I prefer a universe where science and mysticism are two sides of the same coin, with mostly semantic differences. And partly it's just too scary if there is such a thing. But I've seen those eyes of his before, the ones in the cover graphic for the video here. In person, on a guy who murdered his whole family and a number of teenage girls. Almost 30 years later, I'm still trying to forget them.

Drugs? Paranoid schizophrenia? Demonic possession? I don't know, but it seems wise not to open some doors and invite some things in, whether you believe in them or not.

a reply to: ikonoklast

I am pretty sure he was mumbling about the magic and sacrificing cause of the beliefs of the victim and the arguments they had in the past.
Maybe mumbling about why he killed him.
I'll give the 911 call a listen

a reply to: Sremmos80

Maybe. I sure wonder what was censored from the call, though.

Whatever the cause, there's something seriously wrong with anyone who leaps from a religious argument to stabbing and beheading the other person.

It's been a very strange couple years, stranger even than normal. People eating each other's faces, beheadings, and more. Something is up.

a reply to: RunForTheHills

Silly question.
Was the French Revolution inspired by ISIS?