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Originally posted by Samhain
Wasnt Titors civil war caused by Big government ignoring the constition and violating our civil rights?that seems to me to be the work of the conservative party as of late.
Originally posted by centurion1211
As I said before, I suggest you go back and read it again. The 'war' was between the country people who are generally more conservative and the city people who are generally more liberal - and the country folk 'won'.
Originally posted by Nygdan
The Titor story is basically what I like to call a militiamans 'wet dream'. He says that the division lines will be on the 2000 county by county election lines. Basically what you see there is blue-gore cities and red-bush country. Bush is supposed ot be somethign of a hero for the titor story.
Basically what happens is that things get out of control and people in the city, who are spineless, decadent, weak, and immoral, give up their freedoms for safety. The people who don't accept this in the city go to the countryside, where people apparently live in buccolic pastoral beauty as a community of free-men (well, thats the flowery take on it). Eventually this leads to militias of yeomen fighting against an entity callled, of all things, the American Federal Empire. The coutry people triumph, tweak the consitution to make it more decentralized, and everything works out fine.
This, like I said, is the fantasy of the radical militant rightwing militia movement, the McVeighs and what not. Heck he even talks about things like Waco happening constantly in teh lead up to the war. Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc etc, the government 'bearing down' on free citizens in their fortified compounds.
So the liberals are most certainly the enemy in this system, because they are the ones, certainly at the time (8 years of clinton and such) that were in power and taking all the flak for governmental excesses. it was clinton's group that was in charge at Waco. Basically these right winger militias think that liberals want to create a powerful federal/central government that will regulate everything and oppress them. Of course, the liberals think thats what the conservatives want.
So, yes, it's bizzare for any 'liberal' to want titor's story to be true, because they'll be the ones getting nuked and mowed down by titors 'shot-gun infantry' units.
Originally posted by centurion1211
I didn't say it was about what the govenrment was or was not doing. It's about the values of the people. I was just trying to say that the 'winners' of Titor's war seem to more closely share the values of today's people from the red counties than people from the blue counties.
Originally posted by Alexodin
Hi Sam I think they are in a place called Canada or Never Never Land.
Wasn't Jesus closer to what we would think of as a hippie today? All that peace love preaching complete with sandals, incense and strret people and stuff? It gets so confusing trying to put people in a blue or red box all the time. When I think back in time before my political weening I don't think of previous Presidents in terms of republican or democrat perhaps Titor had the same syndrome.
Originally posted by Alexodin
Now who does that sound like to you?