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originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
Jesus did even better than just speaking against slavery. He said doing unto others as you would have them do to you, is not just a good idea but is God's Law and what his true prophets taught:
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12
Yeah, but just because you hold a different world view, doesn't mean I can't cite mine as proof that yours is wrong, does it?
Actually you can't prove that statement if you presuppose the first. If memory is just chemical reactions then all your memories could be the product of a chemical reaction and not an actual event that occurred in the past.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: WakeUpBeer
You need to look at the Bible in its own context. The slavery the Bible talks about is something people willingly entered into as a form of paying off debt. Never dones the Bible condone slavery it only puts guidelines on it, and Jephta's daughter wasn't sacrificed but nice try.
Then the Spirit of the Lord came upon Jephthah, and he passed over Gilead, and Manasseh, and passed over Mizpeh of Gilead, and from Mizpeh of Gilead he passed over unto the children of Ammon. And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands. And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back. And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
Judges 11:29-40
its just what you take on faith.
originally posted by: pheonix358
The only difference here is that your belief is the only one that you think matters and the rest of us are going to hell to spend eternity in fire and damnation.
I do agree that a lot of the slavery was debt bondage (is that necessarily better?) but not all of it was.
A myth I pointed out he has yet to acknowledge.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: smithjustinb
Why would your world view constitute as proof of anything? Just because you believe that memory is just chemicals and nothing more doesn't mean that is the truth, its just what you take on faith.
Your entire view is based on faith. It is a case of pot meet kettle.
Face it, your entire view is just a belief, nothing more.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: pheonix358
Face it, your entire view is just a belief, nothing more.
My view is just a belief yes, but it logical and coherent. I have no problem accepting that I must have some degree of faith, it is the atheist who have that problem.
A myth I pointed out he has yet to acknowledge.
If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property. Exodus 21:20-21
Its not logical to believe in something that you have never seen or that no one else can see unless they believe in it.
It is logical to believe in something that math (1+1=2) [every time] can predict.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
a reply to: smithjustinb
Logic is the basis for math
Logicism is the thesis that mathematics is reducible to logic, and hence nothing but a part of logic.[7]:41 Logicists hold that mathematics can be known a priori, but suggest that our knowledge of mathematics is just part of our knowledge of logic in general, and is thus analytic, not requiring any special faculty of mathematical intuition. In this view, logic is the proper foundation of mathematics, and all mathematical statements are necessary logical truths.
The concepts of mathematics can be derived from logical concepts through explicit definitions.
The theorems of mathematics can be derived from logical axioms through purely logical deduction.
originally posted by: krisdogg
I'm a believer, i know that there are flaws in the Bible, I know that there are a lot of things in the OT that are pretty shocking and just wrong. Its more about experience than anything else, when you experience God you know it and it changes you. I have struggled with my faith the entire 18 years ive been a Christian. Not trying to push anything on anyone...but the love and peace you find is unlike anything else. Even if some facts dont line up, or there are some things in the Bible that seem like they shouldnt be, Jesus changed things, you are loved and thats what we all want when we cut to the core. This is a peaceful post, I'm not arguing with anyone, just wanted to say that there is love out there to be found and its right in front of you. Just have to reach out and take it.
KK