The "evil alien agenda"....

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People are just naturally scared of the unknown, but I believe that we should be more open to extraterrestrial beings.

a reply to: Randomlinkin

I am sorry this thread was overtaken by other news, mainly for me by the news the pope accepted aliens that I discuss in another thread.

The alien evil agenda deserves to be investigated meticulously. It is not only to say "Dracos are evil and eat/ate people/children". We are beyond that primitive level of sagas of brave knights who kill the evil dragons. We speak of agendas of extraterrestrial races and civilizations, even supra-groupings such as galactic councils. It is naive they all have one agenda towards earth, that they have only our best interests in mind. But it is also naive to think they will /are permitted to invade the earth and to eat us or take us prisoners. That is all from the movies. When you listen insiders, incl Mitchel, the astronaut, you get a very intelligent assessment that should the ETs were as evil they would invade us many times over. They did not. Seems some galactic law keeps the immunity of planet earth and only our free choice may open (persona?) gate of access to them. Perhaps it will be a matter of choice also when they finally come to us in public - the contact event. So I am not afraid of evil Dracos or other dinosaurs to have breakfast. I'd like to know more agendas, especially the agendas of the benevolent ones:

What exact agendas have the Pleiadians, Sirians, Arcturians, Andromedans, all of them said to be human-blond looking, plus Tall Whites (only difference the large eyes) and Orions (I don't know whether there is a difference with them or if there is one or more Orion groups). What is behind the Galactic federation of light and why such nonsense is posted online as if coming from their source. What other supra-planetary organizations exist, because GF is not the only one. Is Orion indeed an empire that recently removed the dictatorship, and consists of 60% humans 30 % Grey and 10% reptilian or so.

We want and need to know more details of each one of these races and civilizations. All bickering do not help. We need facts before anything else. If any of these races decide to make a website, please do so quickly! Andromedan site I don't believe to belong to real persons from there. Anyway, RT had several interviews with a woman pretending Pleiadian, and later with a man Canadian ex-minister who named several races (almost the same as above plus Grey).

Grey themselves are enigma. Are they only one Grey kind or as many as 200 as some say. Webre goes further calling them intelligent plants. Perhaps some of them have done wrong, evil experiments, but surely not all of them on all their planets. Did they give computer and internet, optical fibers, LED, stealth and many unknown tech? Or they divide that heritage with the Tall Whites, Orion, and others? Orion provided the Russians with a cube source of free energy, shown on Russian documentary (you can hold it in hand). Is it something bad? Dr Greer said the reptilians (humanoid ones as I understand) have a great medicine and biology. Does it mean they are all evil? They may want to help us. Master Yoda was also kind of reptilian, not dino but another kind. As the E.T. from the movie E.T. Of course the movies are no more movies when we have witnesses speaking of the same. As the stargate series, etc.

originally posted by: hurdygurdy
a reply to: PlanetXisHERE

I'm glad you brought this up. I'm familiar with the Allies of Humanity website and the material presented changed my paradigm regarding an alien agenda. I've only read the first book but this is my understanding of the material and why I think it's relevant to the OP:

According to the AOH material, there are off-world resource hunters (human and natural) just as there are resource hunters living on this planet. Maybe they're only masquerading as human, who knows. Reportedly, these off-worlders have infiltrated positions of power in all of the world's major institutions.

There are also neutral off-worlders who are unlikely to interfere on our behalf because we'd become dependent upon them. Just as we're still dependent upon those in authority today, even though we're aware they aren't acting in our best interest. It appears we are required to become sovereign as individuals and then as a planetary society so we can move up the Kardashev scale before Earth will be accepted into the galactic community.

On a sidenote, I second the opinion that Val Valerian has relevant information in his Matrix series, too!

Yes, the Allies of Humanity "message" makes sense and is logical. I'm curious how you found it, did you just stumble upon it, or did someone point you in that direction?

What do you think is the best way to fight the insidious alien agenda?

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originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: duaneology
Another theory that supports my viewpoint is that for any species to survive long enough to be as technologically advanced as these "others" appear to be would have to evolve beyond a war-like, conqueror, tribal warfare mentality.

"Hey Toltecatl, check out those Unidentified Floating Objects down in the bay! I told you, there are strange Tall White Intercontinental Visitors!"

"Oh #, Montezuma! Did you see how big those beings are? Check out those long shiny pointy things they're all holding! They look like swords, but way better than ours! We'd better alert the generals! hide the women and children, protect our temples!"

"Oh come on, Toltecatl, any peoples able to survive long enough to be as technologically advanced as these Intercontinental Travelers appear to be would have to evolve beyond a war-like, conqueror, tribal warfare mentality."

In this case it's not quite that simple. The engines their craft use to get here happen to be the same engines you would attached to an asteroid if you were interested in using it as a mass driver. They could kill us all, and they could do it from beyond the reach of any technology we have. The fact that they haven't is proof that they're not out to kill us.

originally posted by: duaneology
Edgar Mitchell said something to the effect of "They're so technologically advanced that if they were hostile we wouldn't be here".

I suppose that statement is relative. Depends who you ask....

Israel is technologically advanced and hostile, Palestine still exists.

America is technologically advanced and hostile, Syria still exists.

Being technologically advance and hostile means they're more likely to be covert not overt. By way of deception....and all that.

Why destroy that which you wish to rule. That's not to say of course, that I'm on the alien agenda bandwagon. I think its more akin to inter dimensional beings who've been here as long as us.

a reply to: duaneology

On the surface the logic of: If "they" do indeed exist and wanted us gone we'd be gone. If they wanted us enslaved we would be feeling laser whips on our backs

Seems to make sense.
BUT

On a deeper level the fact is that this “slavery” can be brought about through more subtle means than the way we would ordinarily expect.

Indeed, human beings can be enslaved through their minds and souls just as surely as outward visible chains around our necks.

Therefore it is possible (no one seems to know for sure and I shun dogmatic certainty) that the human race may be getting set up by this alien phenomenon through some kind of hidden long-term process that eludes surface perception.

We know this because it is clear through modern knowledge of the psychology of human beings that the mind is the origin of true enslavement not strictly the body….And if this is being done by some surreptitious process it is therefore most likely being executed through the psychic apparatus within the human mind.

So the apparent advancement of the aliens can just as well be indicative of a more nuanced attack on humans than an overt traditional (as has gone on in human history) blood and guts kind of enslavement.

Well, your actually trying to attach human logic, on something that isn't. Fallacy number one. Second one would be, simply ignoring the evidence, such as it is.

THAT: They ALWAYS do everything in the DARK.

THAT: They take people against their will.

THAT: These abductions are almost always horrifying.

THAT: Human being have an innate fear of pale faces with large black eyes, and thin features. Some will tell you that this is due to fear of death, being cadavers kinda look like that.

Those are only a few examples. Ask yourself, why would benevolent beings from far away hide in the dark like lowly cave-dwellers? Why is it that they never want you to know that they exist, beyond rumor and speculation? Use your vaunted logic to ask the really important questions, and you will come to the same realization that others have, that 'aliens' are NOT your friend, and that they are most certainly EVIL.

O they don't hide in the Dark, for they hide behind the Light.

U know its funny, in the whole grand scheme of the teachings of the churches and revelations, that what they stand for will be their undoing. You got the Bible scholars pointing out the organizations responsible for it creation is some whore from an older mythology where it heavily based off.

Then you got the villain in the bible, whose pretty much a copy cat of main hero or figure in the bible, whose heavily based of him, as if it were an evil clone. Then the religions claim God will win, even though God predicted heavy losses on the earth, even thought people have been crazy over the revelations for almost 2 millennium.

God also predicted that God would win, and no knows how Gods gunna do that. And the angels or fallen angels have let the their followers fought one each other for centuries, and are not doing or showing they give a crap about it. And whats funny, they didn't do nothing but dance around with a bark that worse then a bite.

Sounds like a movies twist that no one saw coming.

How the Gods are f'in crazy after all, and I like it.

a reply to: Chronogoblin

No, people have inate fear of a bright white ball in the sky, called God or Lucifer, depending on how bad or good they are.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

You and me pal.
I think a Gray is an "Avatar" style body used to work around dangerous species.

originally posted by: duaneology
Okat, first off the vids that have been posted here as some sort of evidence??? Are ridiculous. Secondly comparing the advanced intelligence required to achieve interstellar space travel to human rats with swords clinging to driftwood is down right silly. Mix that in with a bunch of religious nonsense, paranoid superstition and cliche "war of the worlds" claptrap and that about sums up the gist of the responses to this thread.

I'm beginning to understand the disdain for the Aliens & UFOs forum by the majority of the ATS community.

you are absolutely right in your assessment of the videos, duane, which actually is why when i saw this thread i was surprised

the concept of some sort of 'evil alien agenda' is all but gone..too many have fallen for supposed 'messages' from these beings to a point where they believe they are in contact with the 'benevolent ones' and are getting some sort of true information concerning their presence on this planet

if we look at true evidence, we can see that there are many questions as to what the agenda truly is. mitchell's statement is one more piece of disinfo that many of us are aware of. the concept that interlopers from another planet 'must be okay' simply because they don't 'destroy us' is illogical--however, it did it's job, did it not? it convinced you and some others here of it's validity

almost everyone now in this 'field' is compromised except for the true experiencers who have gone through this and look at all the facts. i would guess that for example, the term 'screen imagery' and what that truely entails does not enter into such equations as this 'allies of humanity' and other supposed true videos. this is but one piece of evidence, the imagery, that has been confirmed yet too few even know what it means

and it is difficult for some to see the whole picture without resorting to the whole 'demon' theory, as that would be a simple answer for many. to realize what is really going changes one's life and perception of everything. there is no going back

if you really want to know about what exactly is going on, i suggest you read some abductee threads, testimonies..i suggest you remember that children are taken against their will. i also suggest you place in your own personal evidence drawer, the testimonies of those who have had loved ones kidnapped from them and never returned. don't forget also to look at subjects such as the animal mutilations and i don't just mean cows..see for yourself the evidence surrounding their activities, weight it all in your mind, and then come up with a real conclusion

as for my personal take on these beings, well, i would hazard a big 'guess' and say they were not to be trusted..as my ma used to say, 'actions speak louder than words' and their behavior speaks very loudly to me

a reply to: spazze

No refutation? Right. Have a nice day.

originally posted by: duaneology
Edgar Mitchell said something to the effect of "They're so technologically advanced that if they were hostile we wouldn't be here".

Do you have a source for this statement?

a reply to: duaneology

Evil is not always mindless destruction. The slave master may be evil but he does not want to kill his slaves, he wants to USE them. The idea of destructive aliens blowing cities is heavily influenced by Hollywood. Have you read David Jacob's book The Threat? In this book he outlines how the aliens are working a subtle plan to use humanity and use our strengths for themselves.

a reply to: Blueracer

Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.
Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.
Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'
He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.
Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.


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Dr. Mitchell has made this type of statement using similar language a number of times in interviews. This just happened to be the first one that came up when I googled it now.

originally posted by: Chronogoblin
Well, your actually trying to attach human logic, on something that isn't. Fallacy number one. Second one would be, simply ignoring the evidence, such as it is.

THAT: They ALWAYS do everything in the DARK.

THAT: They take people against their will.

THAT: These abductions are almost always horrifying.

THAT: Human being have an innate fear of pale faces with large black eyes, and thin features. Some will tell you that this is due to fear of death, being cadavers kinda look like that.

Those are only a few examples. Ask yourself, why would benevolent beings from far away hide in the dark like lowly cave-dwellers? Why is it that they never want you to know that they exist, beyond rumor and speculation? Use your vaunted logic to ask the really important questions, and you will come to the same realization that others have, that 'aliens' are NOT your friend, and that they are most certainly EVIL.

To the animals that conservationists tranquilize, examine and tag in order to study the species in hopes of saving it from extinction I'm sure human beings are viewed with terror and would be thought of as "evil" if these creatures had the intellect to do so.

I'm not saying that's what happening if the stories of alien abduction are true...all I'm saying is simply because we don't understand what's happening does not automatically mean that it's motivated by evil intentions.

As for why intelligent beings would prefer to observe us from "the dark"? Humans are a savage and barbaric species who kill and destroy at abandon. Observing us any other way would be very dangerous.

a reply to: EnPassant

Seems a bit far fetched to me. I'd need undeniable proof that they have even visited before putting tge idea out that they are using us for their benefit.

it all depends on your point of view who is a good alien to you and who is evil. Indeed, there are ET agendas that are unknown to us. It is possible when we learn of them, some of them could be seen as "not in the best interest of humanity" or even "hostile" for either our survival (less likely) or for our development as a space race.

However, as Dr Mitchell has said of the contacts should they be evil we would be gone by now. They are predominantly good. In terms of they gave humanity tech including the chip and the internet based on it, that allows better understanding, allows to avoid nuclear war, etc. Sure there is much to learn from them especially in the area of non-military projects of better satisfying the needs of 7 bln+ human beings.

In that way, every alien that lands tomorrow in Moscow or Paris will be welcome. What if he looks Grey, or humanoid Reptilian? (there are more striking forms, but I think the first contact will be humanoid, with Greys being the most distant ones from earthlings in that row). We don't expect everyone in the galaxy to look exactly like us do we? Does it mean someone is evil, because of that? What if he brings the cure for diseases that can be cured within the frame of our bodies. It is apparent our medicine does not reach the health of human body from the time of Noah's lifespan of 800-900 years.

The good-evil dispute arises once again when it comes to religion to determine who is good and who is bad. But that is commented in details in other sections of the forum.

For me, every alien coming with peace will be a good alien, until proven the opposite. I will welcome them and will listen to them, before arbitrarily judging them.

Not like a hollywood movie of invading ships that are all destroyed at the end by some superman (super-human) bravery.