That Off-Malibu Ocean Structure Is Giving Off Radio Signals... , page 2

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 07:41 AM

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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I've worked with RF equipment (like radars) for over 26 years.

Detecting a radio signal will not always give you it's position, especially if you are only detecting it while sitting in one place.

RF energy, especially high frequencies, propagate through the air, but will be affected by many things: air density, clouds, ionization. This is why short wave and HAM operators sitting the midwest of the US can pick up radio signals from Moscow.

In order to find the source of a signal, one needs to triangulate it. This means detecting the signal from several different places, noting it's strength and bearing (direction it seems to be coming from).

Simply seeing that a signal is coming from the west of you does not also show you how far away it is with any accuracy based on strength of the signal.

RF energy also does not propagate through water very well. It's why submarines must surface, or at least get close enough to the surface to deploy an antenna if they wish to communicate with radio. RF energy tends to reflect off of the surface of the water (in the radar world we call that "clutter" and on ships we see that with the raw return of the radar beam, especially with surface radars).

In order to believe what is being stated, I would need to see the signal detection data, and it most certainly would need to be data from several different receivers detecting the same signal at about the same time or within a reasonable amount of time, from several different locations. That data (if it's there) would then be used to do the triangulation of the signal.

Anyone saying: "because of it's strength and direction is how I know where it is", is selling you a line. Anyone that has worked in this field knows that you can't do it that way.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

tanka418

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 08:18 AM

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originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Phage

Who do I believe more, a denier of everything or a guy who has been into ham radio since 1938 and who has been an engineer? I'll go with the latter. I have listened to the links you see.

As an engineer...listen to Phage.

The sounds appear to be little more than normal background noise, found at virtually any frequency..."star sounds".

And,, as Phage so aptly pointed out...12 meters doesn't penetrate water very well. Course then again virtually no RF can penetrate water very far...prolly why the NAVY uses VLF to communicate with submerged subs.

And, just for some record; Radio signals will show you the "direction" of a source, but are wholly incapable of giving any kind of distance information.

Analysis of the audio portion of this can be done with virtually any spectrum analysis system.

MKMoniker

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 09:35 AM

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a reply to: tanka418

Then again, with all the Antennas/Transmitters and Towers out there now, God Knows where these signals are going or coming from:

www.antennasearch.com...

Put in your address and this site will generate a couple different reports for you: Number of Antennas/Transmitters within 4 miles of you. And number of Towers within 4 miles of you - and how many of them are (and are not) "registered."

I'd love to know what someone living on the coast (say, Malibu) turns up with such a search ...

Bedlam

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:08 AM

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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: signalfire

It is worth noting most underwater cold war Radio systems used ELF transmission technology's.

From the land to the sub, but never the other way, and at about 72Hz for the Navy version. Not 25MHz.

Bedlam

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:10 AM

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originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Phage

Who do I believe more, a denier of everything or a guy who has been into ham radio since 1938 and who has been an engineer? I'll go with the latter. I have listened to the links you see.

And what did you learn from them?

I'm an engineer. And I've had way more than a ham license, although I had a general when I was in high school. And a 1st class RT license.

Listening to the links should tell you this is some sort of modem. Which would be excruciatingly common on that band.

St Udio

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:24 AM

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anybody think that the transmission is from a surface bouy used to monitor weather/tide/tsunami data
and it is transmitting on the 12 meter band from the ocean surface ---
[(I read that there is a world-wide grid work of bouy's in all the oceans to monitor all sorts of things including gravity & magnetic changes (anomalies)]
see: www.buoyweather.com...

and most likely not some concocted underwater military or alien base with huge tunnels leading to the inland underground bases in the various desert areas...

fantastic claims are usually false fractured-fairytales in the end

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Nyiah

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:49 AM

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ROTFL. yeah, dismiss Phage & common sense why don't y'all. He's right, and a simple google search can back him up easily there. The high frequency bands do not propagate through water well. This so-called base signal sounds like several things to me, like RTTY (as someone already mentioned) and I do hear a distorted meteofax-like signal if I listen closely. Probably satellite signals mixed in, too, I think those start around 8 mhz & go up in frequency to around 8k or 9k mhz.

I don't have a handlheld HAM, I just listen online. However, I do try to make sure I understand what I'm hearing, and all this sounds like is the normal high band stuff jumbled together, nothing unusual.

LABTECH767

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 10:59 AM

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originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: signalfire

It is worth noting most underwater cold war Radio systems used ELF transmission technology's.

From the land to the sub, but never the other way, and at about 72Hz for the Navy version. Not 25MHz.

Correct, here is a short russian video about it, of course you want to communicate with your submarine fleet but you want them to maintain radio silence until you say otherwise anyway as submarine warfare as well as being a smelly environment is about stealth.

It is also interesting to note Extreme Low Frequency ELF radio emissions have been used to try to control emotional states in human being's during cold war experiment's by both the USA/Britain and the Russian's.

MystikMushroom

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 11:03 AM

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Well, there *is* something interesting off the coast of California -- that, I've been assured of. I have no idea what it is, but this probably isn't related to it. Is Malibu near Catalina? I'm not from Cali and feeling a tad bit lazy this morning.

signalfire

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 11:46 AM

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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Catalina Island is about ~ 40 miles south east of Malibu, but the formation is pretty much right offshore of Malibu and, as mentioned, has been the site of many reported UFO sightings.

So it's possible that the old gent didn't know he was hearing something more modern than his 1930s-1980s experience (modem?) sounds? Is radio used for modems, even by the military? He seemed pretty clear that it was right there as he emphasized the continuous strength of the signal day and night, which he regarded as unusual.

Someone up above mentioned Google maps not being accurate but I spend a lot of time on them; I've found them to be highly detailed except in certain places where they seem to be smudged and blurred on purpose; many parts of the ocean floor have been scanned by sonar and you can see those tracks clearly. I can't imagine why this formation would have been falsified and it certainly is anomalous looking from up above compared to everything else around it. You'd think given the almost constant earthquake activity in California, any cave-like formations off the coast would have been long since collapsed. Darn thing looks like the Pillars of Hercules with a perfectly oval-shaped roof.

signalfire

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:00 PM

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a reply to: raypsi13

I did a search for 'Icomm 935' after listening again to make sure we both had the right number; found this:

radio interface 935

It would appear to be a mobile unit that connects to the base unit; did he just give the wrong manufacturer but the right number?

So far, it seems the best solution to the mystery is that he's hearing a buoy transmission but you'd think an old guy on the coast of Malibu wouldn't be stymied by that.

signalfire

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:18 PM

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Found a list of weather buoys off the coast of California; there is one for Pt. Dume (interesting name) and one for Malibu;

buoys

But why would the signal be so strong at one location and gone 100 foot down the road? Can a solar powered unit transmit with that strong a signal day and night?

urbanghost

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:20 PM

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The signals sound like incorrectly tuned fax and rtty signals. I have been decoding these for years and they sound exactly like that

LowTechRedneck

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:28 PM

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a reply to: Murgatroid

This is probably just crazy coincidence. Back in November 2005 I took a solo road trip from Kansas through OK, TX, NM, AZ, NV and into CA to visit some friends in San Fran. I went through LA just because I had never been there and stopped at a little hole-in-the-wall bar that night. At said bar, I met a crazy guy my dad's age who claimed to be the son of a Nazi occult researcher brought to the US after WWII. This guy claimed to be following his father's work which had to do with a race of blood drinking humanoids that are the basis for all vampire myths, saying that while they can feed on humans, we apparently taste terrible and don't offer enough nutrients. Anyway, he said that this race had high technology before their civilization was wiped out by...of course...the aryans. But proof of their existence and remnants of their society and technology could be found in the Temple of Dusk, a massive religious complex facing the setting sun that was flooded by the aryans to be lost forever. He claimed it was off the coast of LA but nobody could find it.

Needless to say, after I finished my beer I made a swift exit because I don't need that kind of crazy in my life, but that guy and story always stuck with me as a source of amusement. Now this google map thing has me thinking I should have hung around and talked to that guy more.

MKMoniker

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 12:45 PM

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There is a LOT going on off the coast of California, including different patches of underwater "mounds":

news.nationalgeographic.com...
(2010) SEVEN UNDERWATER MOUNDS OFF SANTA BARBARA ARE EXTINCT ASPHALT VOLCANOES

www.googleearthanomalies.com...
HUNDREDS OF UNDERWATER TOPOGRAPHIC MOUND ANOMALIES DUE WEST OF SALINAS
Although the fuzzed-out parts in strips, might indicate ET machinery "mining" off the California coast. Same with below:

www.mbari.org...
(2011) SEA-FLOOR MAPPING BY ROBOT FINDS NEW GEOLOGIC DISCOVERIES
"... it charted mysterious three-kilometer-wide scour marks on the seafloor off Northern California; and it unearthed data that challenge existing theories about one of the largest offshore faults in Central California.'

ATSZOMBIE

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:18 PM

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THANK GOD FOR YOU! Why dont you just go over there and shut this thing down!

originally posted by: Nyiah
ROTFL. yeah, dismiss Phage & common sense why don't y'all. He's right, and a simple google search can back him up easily there. The high frequency bands do not propagate through water well. This so-called base signal sounds like several things to me, like RTTY (as someone already mentioned) and I do hear a distorted meteofax-like signal if I listen closely. Probably satellite signals mixed in, too, I think those start around 8 mhz & go up in frequency to around 8k or 9k mhz.

I don't have a handlheld HAM, I just listen online. However, I do try to make sure I understand what I'm hearing, and all this sounds like is the normal high band stuff jumbled together, nothing unusual.

Sersh

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:28 PM

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There is a WW2 base there. I was working for the CCC and was stationed at the base in San Pedro.
I learned from a retired base commander that there was an under ground base and there is
tunnels that went to catalina island. Google probably blurred it out on request from the guberment.

ScientificRailgun

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:29 PM

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a reply to: ATSZOMBIE

Easy on the thinly veiled sarcasm there trooper.

I've listened to the sounds, I have to agree with previous posters that this is some kind of digital-mode SWR transmission. Kinda sounds like RTTY, but it could be anything from OLIVIA to PSK. I'm not discounting that something out there COULD be transmitting from the underwater area using some kind of aerial antenna, but from a casual observation, it seems pretty mundane to me. When I get home I'll run the samples through some rudimentary analysis and if I find anything, I'll post here later.

tanka418

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 01:35 PM

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originally posted by: Bedlam
I'm an engineer. And I've had way more than a ham license, although I had a general when I was in high school. And a 1st class RT license.

Listening to the links should tell you this is some sort of modem. Which would be excruciatingly common on that band.

Actually, while those could be modems, they sound more like stellar signals. Radio signals from stellar objects; many sound very much like that, and 12 meters is a good band to listen on for such things.

But, as the man said, modes are a good fit as well.

And, modems are used all over the place...the connection you have to the internet is very likely handled through a modem. There are modems in your cell phone...actually virtually anywhere a data device wishes to connect to the external world is done through a modem. It is via a modem that the high frequency one's and zero's get into some semblance of a "digital stream"...though for most of us that modem no longer handles data rates slow enough to be "heard" ...but when using 12 meters...slow is necessary.

urbanghost

posted on Oct, 27 2014 @ 02:13 PM

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All of the sounds on the video can be found on this page.
www.kb9ukd.com...