The Secret Stupid Saudi-US Deal on Syria

The Secret Stupid Saudi-US Deal on Syria

The details are emerging of a new secret and quite stupid Saudi-US deal on Syria and the so-called IS. It involves oil and gas control of the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran by Saudi Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil. Details were concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be to push Russia even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.

The US-Saudi oil price manipulation is aimed at destabilizing several strong opponents of US globalist policies. Targets include Iran and Syria, both allies of Russia in opposing a US sole Superpower. The principal target, however, is Putin’s Russia, the single greatest threat today to that Superpower hegemony. The strategy is similar to what the US did with Saudi Arabia in 1986 when they flooded the world with Saudi oil, collapsing the price to below $10 a barrel and destroying the economy of then-Soviet ally, Saddam Hussein in Iraq and, ultimately, of the Soviet economy, paving the way for the fall of the Soviet Union. Today, the hope is that a collapse of Russian oil revenues, combined with select pin-prick sanctions designed by the US Treasury’s Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence will dramatically weaken Putin’s enormous domestic support and create conditions for his ultimate overthrow.

Today the US-backed wars in Ukraine and in Syria are but two fronts in the same strategic war to cripple Russia and China and to rupture any Eurasian counter-pole to a US-controlled New World Order. In each, control of energy pipelines, this time primarily of natural gas pipelines—from Russia to the EU via Ukraine and from Iran and Syria to the EU via Syria—is the strategic goal.

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The Pope was probably right with WW3 already happening. I guess we can only hope it all ends not too badly, but with a bunch of nuts calling the shots I wouldn`t bet my money on it.

This is not new news but has been talked about in other places . I am wondering just how Harpers pipe lines and the oil patch out in Fort Mac will fair ? Not well I suppose .I guess it depends on how desperate countries get , I think Russia will be ok but it will have some pain involved .As for the European countries that need gas well that may be the straw that breaks the camels back for them . a reply to: BornAgainAlien

ETA . There is coming a time very soon when SA will be judged .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Russia gets its most revenues from oil.

The oil price weapon is the most important part, and you`re right it has been dropping for a month now. But the reason it being directly used as weapon in a war against China/Russia/Iran is of great importance.

Putin his speech now makes a whole lot more sense.

All it will take is a covert attack of Russian Spetsnaz on Saudi oil production where the damage is most critical. Oil prices will jump up.

After a week, Spetsnaz makes another hit and this time on the Saudi Royal Family. This hit is intentionally not a success but gives Saudi the message...............either live and enjoy your oil prices or die and lose it all.

The world is being held ransom by oil & gas (energy) moguls.

Russia could pull the rug out from under the west by investing in green technology and off grid technologies like tesla solar batteries and solar pannels, rather than fighting an oil war it knows it cant win. Just my pennies worth.

Edit: but it needs to do it now before the economic war cripples their ability to invest in anything worth more than a buck. a reply to: victor7

That'd be interesting...a world stoush...in the red corner Russia & green technology...in the blue corner America and old school tech.

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

Wow this is funny. the reason oil prices are dropping is they are based off production. This process is called oil futures and the reason Saudi arabia is desrately courting asia is simple. The main reason is world consumption is down, For example U.S. oil consumption by far the largest in the world, has recently fallen to 18.6 million barrels a day which is down from nearly 21 million prior to the last recession. European oil demand peaked more than 20 years ago and has fallen in each of the last five years. Even China’s thirst for oil is diminishing as economic growth there shifts into a lower gear. The country’s latest industrial production numbers were the weakest since 2008.So when demand decreases prices drop its the way markets work. Than when dealing with futures by far the largest oil supply is in Canada and the US in fact US exports is expected to surpass Saudi Arabia becoming the worlds largest oil supplier. So your Saudi Arabia there best customer is becomming compition on the global market. How can they continue to make money realizing of course there economy is solely based on oil? Simple lock up the market that needs oil and doesnt have it and thats Asia. How can they lock up the Asian market simple lower prices making it difficult for other countries to compete in that market.

This is a defensive move making sure Asia remains a customer and making it difficult for countries to make money selling oil to Asia. This move even hurts US exports to Asia effectively cutting them out of that market at least in the near term.

a reply to: dragonridr

actually we already have

The Energy Information Administration is reporting today that “Saudi Arabia was the world’s largest producer and exporter of petroleum and other liquids in 2012, producing an average of 11.6 million barrels per day (bbl/d) and exporting an estimated 8.6 million bbl/d (net).” The United States (“Saudi America”) was the No. 2 petroleum-producing country last year with an average output of just over 11 million bbl/d (see bottom chart above).
However, based on international monthly oil production statistics from the EIA currently available through November 2012, the United States surpassed Saudi Arabia’s petroleum output in November (see top chart above). Thanks to the significant increases in shale oil production in North Dakota and Texas, total oil output in the US expanded by more than 7% between August and November, while output in Saudi Arabia fell by 4% during that period. Those trends brought “Saudi America’s” petroleum output in November (11.65 millions bbl/d) above Saudi Arabia’s production (11.25 million bbl/d) by 400,000 barrels per day, and is the first time in more than ten years (since August 2002) that the US has produced more petroleum products than Saudi Arabia.
US was world’s largest petroleum producer in November, surpassing Saudi Arabia for first time in ten years

U.S. oil output will surge to 13.1 million barrels a day in 2019 and plateau thereafter, according to the IEA, a Paris-based adviser to 29 nations. The country will lose its top-producer ranking at the start of the 2030s, the agency said in its World Energy Outlook in November.
U.S. Seen as Biggest Oil Producer After Overtaking Saudi Arabia

so knowing this why would we need the Saudi's to flood the market we got em all beat in oil and natural gas and could do it our self's.

a reply to: dragonridr

No, OPEC controls prices with tightening or loosening production. When demand is lower they simply tighten production to get for the oil the desired price they want.

They can reduce the gas/oil price as much as they like but the price at the pumps won't go down much and the extra tax will be used to finance the military who does the bidding of the banks.

Our Saudi freinds are chopping off more heads than ISIS and yet our press says nothing and they are even looking to cary out a cuusifixition but being a puppet of the USA this news never makes it to the screen.

At least cheap oil prices should stop fracking in its tracks because that is one sure way to posion the popultions of the world who are all dieing of cancer from GMO's as it is.

Go Putin, take it on the chin and see who wins

a reply to: BornAgainAlien

only for opec members. non members can produce as much as they want.
he's right about oil futures, speculators buy and sell and that drives the price up and down per barrel.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: dragonridr

No, OPEC controls prices with tightening or loosening production. When demand is lower they simply tighten production to get for the oil the desired price they want.

Opec used to control prices too many players in the market now which is one of the reasons we see Saudi Arabia abandoning their policies. Globally its becoming a free for all in the oil market. The days of controlling prices are over how could they when say a country like the US can make up for any short falls in the market driving down prices. OPECS control was they could set the amount of oil released those days are gone. You can say the Middle east is losing its importance in the world market now this leads to a question. What will happen to it as its importance dwindles ? Will we see it blow itself up or will it learn to compete in global economy? Saudi is leaning towards competition as for the rest we shall see.

At 80ish I would speak oft a normalization. A couple of Years ago everyone was shocked by 100 Dollar oil. Lets See if it drops dramatically to like 50.

originally posted by: funkadeliaaaa
Russia could pull the rug out from under the west by investing in green technology and off grid technologies like tesla solar batteries and solar pannels, rather than fighting an oil war it knows it cant win. Just my pennies worth.

I highly doubt they would.

The Russian economy is too heavily reliant on Oil sales. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot, if you think they would go into some sort of 'Production of Tesla tech' China, which is right next door, would simply make cheap copies and mass produce, just like they do with everything else they get their hands on.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Russia gets its most revenues from oil.

The oil price weapon is the most important part, and you`re right it has been dropping for a month now. But the reason it being directly used as weapon in a war against China/Russia/Iran is of great importance.

Putin his speech now makes a whole lot more sense.

The Russian's and Chinese are making moves to move away from the USD. That will hurt the US too.
It's not all one way. They have cards to play as well.

The Chinese market is huge, over 1.3 billion people.

All these moves by the US will do is accelerate Russia's move to the east.
All it will do is solidify the Russia-China axis.

Russia loses the EU as a buyer of it's oil and gas? No problem, it's moving supplies to China anyway and that's going to increase.

Most of Europe is deep in debt, one more major crisis and it'll probably tip Europe over the edge.
China is a different story, it's not deep in debt and has cash reserves to burn like nobody else on the planet.

So that's where the claims, or thoughts of a third world war stem from over this.
Because it can lead from push to shove to bullets flying and bombs dropping.


The Russian's are aware of this. Are most American's even clued in to what their government is doing let alone to the dangerous road the whole world is now on? Judging by some of the comments on ATS and arguments I've had, I'd say most American's are pretty clueless and indifferent to world affairs.

One guy even thinks Putin is to blame for everything.
Putin, the man who came to power following years of American interference and meddling and NATO pushing all the way to Russia's borders. See where I'm going with this?

An even bigger danger is American's who are ignorant of world affairs and what's really going on. If there are more then that one guy who think Putin is to blame, when he is simply the Russian reaction to American/NATO meddling, interference and pressure, then God save us all because it wont take long before they vote in a complete nut case who thinks dropping nukes on Russia is a good idea.

a reply to: mortex

Wow there is so much wrong with this assessment hard to tell where to start. Ok lets start with China you do realize they have a huge problem thats about to explode dont you? See China hides its debt in corporations of course we know they are all state owned. Well they have created something called zombie firms basically corporations that hold debt on things like the empty cities they built its wealth is on paper but in reality there broke. See China developed property over inflated the prices and used that to secure loans. Which in turn created zombie banks in China in other words the banks have nothing but over inflated properties as collateral.These Zombie firms have taken out loans on property that is 20 times there actual worth. Now now China is starting to allow these firms to default which sends huge ripples through the Chinese economy. Its necessary China realizes this that indeed the government will eventual have to pick up this debt its inevitable. As for this surplus you believe they have you will find it will vanish quickly. As for China gettign rid of the US dollar thats a pipe dream of internet conspiracy theories. China is going to continue to hold currency in the US dollar not to mention the Euro. They will need loans from the west to bail themselves out.

Now lets move on to Russia the oil contract is worthless as long as the Saudis have there sights set on Asia they can produce oil cheaper and higher quality than Russia. Anything below 100.00 a barrel and well frankly the Russians aren't making money to even support there economy. Below 80 and they end up losing money to export oil. Russias only hope is to update there pipelines and work on streamlining exports problem is they simply dont have the ability to do that without major investment not to mention expertise from say BP or Exxon. There is only really one move that can save the Russian economy right now and well Putins dead set against it. Not to mention making every wrong move that all but assures collapse unless he gives up his dreams and starts worrying about the Russian people like he should!!

Now as Far as world war 3 as they say calm down wont happen. Candidly speaking there is no one on the planet that can match US military assets. And yes even Putin knows it thats why he does this stealth invasions of countries if he truly had no fear he would have just sent in his troops and told Nato do something i dare you. Even Putin wouldnt take on Nato directly he knows its suicide. Not to mention he knows Chinas skulking in the background and his paranoia about the Chinese runs deep. Thats why hes worried so many Chinese are in Siberia and trying to now limit there immigration while bolstering Russians in the area. So if you believe there is some Russia China alliance thats going to occur never happen. China just sees an opportunity to take over the Russian economy as there dependence on China deepens. China has always considered Russia a threat to the domination of Asia. And in reality were the only country that posed a threat now Beijing is taking steps to eliminate that threat.

Russians future is not with China it will bring pain and suffering Putin needs to mend fences with the EU quickly before the damages are irreversible in fact may already be to late only time will tell. realize Russia before the crash of the Ruble was in the top ten world economies especially when Italy crashed. With a zero growth rate for the foreseeable future they will end up with third world status before the end of the decade. Russian economists are telling Putin daily they are in trouble he continues not to listen.

a reply to: dragonridr

Reading you Russia nor China is not to be feared by US/EU. But the actions from US/EU against them (Libya,Syria, Iran, Ukraine, Hong Kong and the economic/media warfare) speak otherwise. You clearly overestimate what conventional military power can do abroad against Russia. Russia can use small tactical nukes against Nato forces and wiping out whole sections and bases if needed, let alone the logistical nightmare Nato would be facing in bringing in the forces close to Russian/Chinese borders.

China knows it needs Russia against The West, just as Russia knows it needs China, they are no fools and know what`s at stake.

Russia`s economy will not implode, it`s an exaggeration of certain Western media to influence Russian citizens into thinking that will happen. Russians have internet freedom and it`s just media warfare in a campaign to try to scare ordinary Russians so they will revolt against Putin.

US is desperate because they know the sanction are not working as well as expected and are biting EU much harder as was expected. If Russia was really in that much trouble it would change it policies.

Despite US and EU Sanctions, Russia's Economy Is Still Growing

For a country at Russia’s level of development, 0.5% growth is not terribly impressive. It fact, it’s downright bad. But here is what 0.5% annual growth is not: economic performance so catastrophically poor that it will spark civil unrest and the rapid overthrow of Vladimir Putin and his government. Despite the increasingly large set of chips stacked against it, Russia’s economy continues to stumble along. Most professional economists, when queried, predict that it will continue to do the same for the short and medium terms. A Russia growing at less than 2% a year will eventually run into serious difficulty, but that will be a lengthy and uncertain process, not a swift and predictable one.

Why is this important? Because there is a persistent and unfortunate tendency to conflate what people want to happen in Russia (economic doom!) with what is actually happening (slow growth). In short: pretending that Russia’s economy is “on the verge of collapse” doesn’t help anyone because it isn’t on the verge of collapse. Any policies formulated on the assumption of short-term Russian economic implosion will fail because Russia’s economy is growing and will probably continue to grow.

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The moment Russia comes into real problems you will notice a shift in its policies and most importantly EU will be cut of Russian gas till sanctions are lifted.

originally posted by: BornAgainAlien
a reply to: dragonridr

Reading you Russia nor China is not to be feared by US/EU. But the actions from US/EU against them (Libya,Syria, Iran, Ukraine, Hong Kong and the economic/media warfare) speak otherwise. You clearly overestimate what conventional military power can do abroad against Russia. Russia can use small tactical nukes against Nato forces and wiping out whole sections and bases if needed, let alone the logistical nightmare Nato would be facing in bringing in the forces close to Russian/Chinese borders.

China knows it needs Russia against The West, just as Russia knows it needs China, they are no fools and know what`s at stake.

Russia`s economy will not implode, it`s an exaggeration of certain Western media to influence Russian citizens into thinking that will happen. Russians have internet freedom and it`s just media warfare in a campaign to try to scare ordinary Russians so they will revolt against Putin.

US is desperate because they know the sanction are not working as well as expected and are biting EU much harder as was expected. If Russia was really in that much trouble it would change it policies.

Despite US and EU Sanctions, Russia's Economy Is Still Growing

For a country at Russia’s level of development, 0.5% growth is not terribly impressive. It fact, it’s downright bad. But here is what 0.5% annual growth is not: economic performance so catastrophically poor that it will spark civil unrest and the rapid overthrow of Vladimir Putin and his government. Despite the increasingly large set of chips stacked against it, Russia’s economy continues to stumble along. Most professional economists, when queried, predict that it will continue to do the same for the short and medium terms. A Russia growing at less than 2% a year will eventually run into serious difficulty, but that will be a lengthy and uncertain process, not a swift and predictable one.

Why is this important? Because there is a persistent and unfortunate tendency to conflate what people want to happen in Russia (economic doom!) with what is actually happening (slow growth). In short: pretending that Russia’s economy is “on the verge of collapse” doesn’t help anyone because it isn’t on the verge of collapse. Any policies formulated on the assumption of short-term Russian economic implosion will fail because Russia’s economy is growing and will probably continue to grow.

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The moment Russia comes into real problems you will notice a shift in its policies and most importantly EU will be cut of Russian gas till sanctions are lifted.

I suggest you really look into the Russian military before you make such ridiculous statements. First there military is under funded under paid and in general demoralized more likely to run unless they have overwhelming odds. Which isnt going to happen in any scenario against NATO. And i love the small tactical nukes part which ones are you referring to the ones that they are having to decommission do to the fact they were built in the 60s ?? There only deterrent is ICBMs . And with all the misfires they have had lets just say thats hit or miss luckily for them they have alot. Militarily speaking Russia would last two months ina conventional conflict. Now as far as the Russian economy its screwed your saying .5 percent growth isnt bad? First this was an estimate currently its zero and parts of the economy are shrinking especially tourism and transportation.

Now with a growth rate of less than one percent something nasty happens inflation outpaces growth and well 1st stages we see now Ruble isnt worth anything and people dump it for other currencies. Stage 2 is soon thats where people who cant hide assets in other currencies start to suffer. At first they will complain how they cant pay there bills or cant go out to stake dinner etc. But eventually it gets to the point where they cant afford staples and than people go hungry. Hungry people lead to revolutions we see it over and over. And by the way just in case you didnt know 2013 Russia had the 8th largest economy in the world there now at 12th. The unemployment rate and the population beneath the poverty line is comparatively high in the country with about 11 million people without a proper source of income and about 16 percent people in Russia still considered to be under the line of poverty this isnt unmanageable but concerning considering they are just now starting to see the effects of inflation. The only thing keeping them going is oil and natural gass which you think they would shut off never happen they would go broke in a couple of months. But until Putin either comes to his senses or removed things arent looking good. But i really do hope your right and the Russian economy can weather the storm just all indicators are it cant.

a reply to: dragonridr

We are not 10 years ago anymore regarding the state of the Russian military.

If to believe Russian economy isn`t actual doing so bad :

Russia growth up to 1.1% in September from zero

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#62: Russia jumps record 30 places in ‘Doing Business’ ranking

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You seem to suggest you have an awful lot of inside information about Russia, do you have actual contacts inside the Kremlin or are you just speculating things?

And for the record, I`m not saying Russia isn`t hurt badly, but to me it looks more like a deliberate exaggeration in order to provoke unrest just as what the Forbes article reports.

I am however following the economy of the EU and now it`s in bad shape, and the sanctions are being felt particularity hard because of that.

Just somethings to ponder about the EU economies. Spain, France, Greece and Italy have record unemployment and more debt as it had in `09. For instance Italy lost 25% of its industrial production since the start of the crisis and that hasn`t returned. Spain has 26% unemployment and 60% youth unemployment. Jobs disappearing is also going on relentlessly for the last 6 years in Europe. They freaking are now counting drugs and prostitution into EU countries its GDP to let it show it`s going better.

Russia can lose up to max 25% of it`s oil production, while huge it won`t break Russia.

Here`s some more on the EU woes :

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