Iran Hangs Woman for Killing 'Alleged' Rapist

originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

First: Execution List 2014

Here Are The Most Ridiculous Laws In Every State

Cruel and Unusual Punishment: The Shame of Three Strikes Laws

So execution list .. which is not what I asked for. Laws that are old, not enforced, and are not what I asked for.

Can you actually give me what I asked for, not one of those laws has anything to do with blaming the victim.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I updated with two more links ...

originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

First: Execution List 2014

Here Are The Most Ridiculous Laws In Every State

Cruel and Unusual Punishment: The Shame of Three Strikes Laws

Examples of Post-Furman Botched Executions

US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

At least one of the executed prisoner in the 2014 alone was innocent!

And as Dragonridr already said on the first page:

In this circumstance seems she planned the murder after the rape. So in fact is guilty of murder should she have gotten the death penalty well probably not do to the circumstances. But in Iran there punishments for a crime are set according to their laws not ours. So she was convicted of premeditated murder by buying a knife than walking up and stabbing him in the back. In any country this would be murder just the sentencing would be different.

originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I updated with two more links ...

originally posted by: baburak
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

First: Execution List 2014

Here Are The Most Ridiculous Laws In Every State

Cruel and Unusual Punishment: The Shame of Three Strikes Laws

Examples of Post-Furman Botched Executions

US death row study: 4% of defendants sentenced to die are innocent

At least one of the executed prisoner in the 2014 alone was innocent!

Which has nothing to do with what I asked for. No matter how "just" a law is there is always the chance someone innocent is convicted.

What does that have to do with a 100% chance that a rape victim is innocent, yet they are sentenced to jail/death.

Can you show me any law analogous to where being a rape VICTIM is a crime in the US?

originally posted by: baburak

originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: baburak

You're trying to divert the discussion to a different topic. That's all.

Not at all. Every country in the world has it's laws. And you have no right to criticize them if you support equally stupid and dangerous laws in your own country. It's the residents of the country who have to push to change the laws if they don't agree with them.

YES, I have the right to criticize whatever I want. That's because I don't live in the same country that poor woman lived.

That woman did that because she probably knew it was pointless to ask the authorities to make justice.

Can you show me any law analogous to where being a rape VICTIM is a crime in the US?

Alleged Rape Victim Jailed: Calif. Teen Held In Custody To Ensure Testimony In Frank Rackley Trial - she was in detention for weeks.

originally posted by: Metallicus
I guess in Iran you are just supposed to 'lie there and take it' if some sicko decided he wants to rape you.

The treatment of women across the Muslim world is poor - I doubt anyone would name a Muslim country that offers legal parity between the sexes. Even in the UK in some immigrant communities treat women and girls as second class citizens and these communities (via the men) remain stubborn in their lack of acceptance of the equality.

Regardless of the crime, capital punishment is the epitome of barbarity anyway. Those who are shocked by this sad manifestation of state brutality should question their own beliefs if they support capital punishment - in any form.

Regards

originally posted by: baburak

Can you show me any law analogous to where being a rape VICTIM is a crime in the US?

Alleged Rape Victim Jailed: Calif. Teen Held In Custody To Ensure Testimony In Frank Rackley Trial - she was in detention for weeks.

Not convicted of any crime, she was sequestered to be a witness. She is not being jailed for being raped, she is being jailed for failure to appear in court to testify.

Try again.

a reply to: Metallicus

Iran and Saudi Arabia!

The greatest places to live in this World for men and women!

Lets go for a Holiday!

NOT.

I really do hope there is a big change to these Country's mentioned and others...

a reply to: Metallicus

murder is murder, no matter what you claim or what they did to you. now if she would have killed him after there was proof that he raped her and nothing happened to him or during a attempt and didn't say she was in advance, ( which indicates she knew him some way or the other), there might be a need for outrage. but they just like here in the U.S., and other countries, they used circumstantial evidence to convince a judge or jury what ever their system is to convict her.

also here in the U.S. we prosecute people for revenge killings, and i'm sure there have been those sentenced to death for it.

two pieces of circumstantial evidence as noted in your source.

According to her 2009 sentencing, Jabbari, 27, stabbed Sarbandi in the back in 2007 after purchasing a knife two days earlier.

IRNA said the police investigation found that Jabbari sent a text message to a friend saying she would kill Sarbandi three days before the deadly incident.

now we know that here in the U.S. that when someone is under investigation, that many times they will try to find how the murder weapon used was acquired , or where cell phone or land line records are used to trace the comments, location of the accused . i know you've watched those shows like, the first 48 , dateline, 48hrs, snapped, any of those type shows where thew use sales receipts, video of the purchase, to prove when and that the person bought the weapons or stuff used to kill some one. not to hard to imagine that those type of investigation techniques are used all over the world.
you know that just because they have some backwards ways, that iran is not a backwards country. in fact they can and do have some fairly modern and even cutting edge techniques and practices.

IRNA said the police investigation found that Jabbari sent a text message to a friend saying she would kill Sarbandi three days before the deadly incident.

What's the sentence for premeditated murder round the globe?

It differs from country to country but I'm sure in the U.S, who condemned this trial, it is the death penalty?

Correct me if I'm wrong but premeditated murder doesn't go down well anywhere!


& from the excerpt I shared it seems she had planned to kill him before the alleged rape, so self defence goes out the window!



Edit: Hounddog beat me to it!

a reply to: baburak

Every country has it's laws. And you have to respect them, no matter how backwards they seem to be!

No. You don't.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: baburak

Can you give an example of a US law that is the same as this law where a woman who is raped is killed for defending herself? Or other Arab laws where women who are raped are sent to jail for pre-marital sex if they report it to the police?

People are executed in America when they are convicted of premeditated murder. Also reread the article she killed this guy two days after it happened so she wasn't defending herself. For her to be defending herself she would have had to do it when he raped her. Even here in the states she would have faced charges.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: baburak

Can you give an example of a US law that is the same as this law where a woman who is raped is killed for defending herself? Or other Arab laws where women who are raped are sent to jail for pre-marital sex if they report it to the police?

People are executed in America when they are convicted of premeditated murder. Also reread the article she killed this guy two days after it happened so she wasn't defending herself. For her to be defending herself she would have had to do it when he raped her. Even here in the states she would have faced charges.

Yeah, but in America she could call 911 and get the scumbag in jail. I wish I can put flowers in her tomb. She had more balls that the rapist.

a reply to: paraphi

The treatment of women across the Muslim world is poor - I doubt anyone would name a Muslim country that offers legal parity between the sexes.

Nothing could be further from the truth. If no Muslim nation has equal treatment between sexes then how is it that eight Muslim nations have elected female heads of state.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: baburak

Can you give an example of a US law that is the same as this law where a woman who is raped is killed for defending herself? Or other Arab laws where women who are raped are sent to jail for pre-marital sex if they report it to the police?

People are executed in America when they are convicted of premeditated murder. Also reread the article she killed this guy two days after it happened so she wasn't defending herself. For her to be defending herself she would have had to do it when he raped her. Even here in the states she would have faced charges.

Yeah, but in America she could call 911 and get the scumbag in jail. I wish I can put flowers in her tomb. She had more balls that the rapist.

Do you have proof she was even raped? It wouldn't be the first time a woman lied about being raped as an excuse to get away with murder.

a reply to: buster2010

You are right, of course. It does sound like premeditated murder, what American's would call "taking the law into your own hands", which is typically not a judicious thing to do, and are usually illegal acts.

I can't get into this woman's mind, but she must have known she would die if she killed her assailant. Perhaps she consciously made the decision that she would rather die, than let him get away with what he'd done. Pride, vengeance, absolute rage, who knows what was driving her. I wonder if things would have a different outcome for her if she had killed him during the assault? As a means of self-protection?

*While I can't prove she was actually raped, you cannot prove that she wasn't. (so debating that seems a rather moot point.)

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Metallicus

In this circumstance seems she planned the murder after the rape. So in fact is guilty of murder should she have gotten the death penalty well probably not do to the circumstances. But in Iran there punishments for a crime are set according to their laws not ours. So she was convicted of premeditated murder by buying a knife than walking up and stabbing him in the back. In any country this would be murder just the sentencing would be different.

I am so sick of male chauvinism. Well that revenge stuff is actually battered wife syndrome when you're not strong enough to fight back at the time like a big bad ass man would, the revenge is actually POST SELF DEFENSE.

a reply to: Metallicus

are you an american ? do you not have the same laws regarding murder ?.

if you kill some one after the event and when the danger to you has passed , then you will be charged with murder

if she had killed this man whilst he was attacking and raping her then it would be self defence .
but she did not , she planed revenge , went out and bought a knife found the man and stabbed him .

i do not condone the sentence that she got , she should have been acquitted due to the emotional state of her mind .

a reply to: Unity_99

I am so sick of male chauvinism. Well that revenge stuff is actually battered wife syndrome when you're not strong enough to fight back at the time like a big bad ass man would, the revenge is actually POST SELF DEFENSE.

i'm so sick of feminist rhetoric, the woman was pissed off cause she got raped, she killed the man. there was no evidence of the man ever beat her continually, or came to her house day after day and beat or raped her. how is this a case of battered wife syndrome or " post self defence". there is no indication that she was battered by this man every day, one rape/ beating does indicate a pattern.

as a matter of fact,she alleged that he raped her. no proof of such happening, for all anyone knows he could hit it and quit it for just one night and pissed her off,could have broken up with her or spurned her attempts of romance. your making a big leap without any evidence.

sometimes things are just as they appear.

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: baburak

Can you give an example of a US law that is the same as this law where a woman who is raped is killed for defending herself? Or other Arab laws where women who are raped are sent to jail for pre-marital sex if they report it to the police?

People are executed in America when they are convicted of premeditated murder. Also reread the article she killed this guy two days after it happened so she wasn't defending herself. For her to be defending herself she would have had to do it when he raped her. Even here in the states she would have faced charges.

Yeah, but in America she could call 911 and get the scumbag in jail. I wish I can put flowers in her tomb. She had more balls that the rapist.

Do you have proof she was even raped? It wouldn't be the first time a woman lied about being raped as an excuse to get away with murder.

We perfectly know it's silly to ask for evidence of such a criminal act in those countries, where rapists are usually declared the victims. Can't you guess what would happen if you ask the authorities for evidence?.... oh come on.

So confortable opinion about that woman, from the other side of the world. What if she was your daughter or your mother?....., don't tell me you wouldn't want a chance to cut the guy's balls and relocate them in the opposite side.

Also wonder what would you do to the first guy who ask you for proof.

Again, a lot of cheap talk here.