A hidden code in the Bible revealed

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
a reply to: swordwords

One thing that strikes me, is that the first evidence we have of language, the given languages are so advanced even today we can't seem to decipher them properly. Stuff like that takes generations and generations. Flood or similar deludge seems natural, for all of a sudden 6000 years ago people wrote stories as if they haven't done anythjing else.

Nice post

My own theory is that prior to the invention of writing, professional story tellers developed mnemonic devices to help them remember details of the history that they attempted to preserve. This would have probably started innocently so that they might have slightly altered the real name of a king so that it would provide a clue as to how he ruled his people or to some famous action that he took. Eventually, they would encounter a name where such a slight alteration would not work, so they simply changed the name entirely, and once this precedent was set there was no turning back.

As the time passed, the story tellers would have been under greater and greater strain to preserve ancient history in addition to the new history that emerged, so eventually they were renaming everything to make it easier to remember and allegory was born. Also, many people view history as boring, so the story tellers began to use allegory to make it more interesting by personifying ideas as "gods". But it was quickly realized that in order for the story to be really preserved, every story teller had to use the same set of metaphors for each hidden meaning. So, the storytellers formed a sort of guild to establish a definite set of rules to govern metaphors and their hidden meanings. Story tellers that refused to follow the rules created by the guild also needed to be discredited in some way so that their conflicting stories would not be taken seriously. This was done by the creation of organized religion which could be used to establish only one set of stories as the "truth".

I emphasize that this is only a theory that is intended to explain how allegory could appear so early after the invention of writing.

a reply to: swordwords


i agree with most of what you just said, for example: noah meant resting place (the ark came to rest on mt. ararat. so maybe there's a connection). nimrod meant rebel (he was also called enmerkar in akkadian stories and narmer in egypt)
the enmerkar reference is likely LORD (En) Merkar. Remove vowels. Mrkr. Replace k with d. Mrdr. Sounds like another name for Marduk. nimrod=marduk is something i hadn't really considered.
will have to do some research on variants for marduk.

i disagree that they would've went to the trouble to hide names in allegory and then form religions to protect them and then allow a government to come in and give everything different names lol especially if they were charge of the government (the priests i mean)

look at this

Marduk (Sumerian spelling in Akkadian: AMAR.UTU 𒀫𒌓 "solar calf"; perhaps from MERI.DUG; Biblical Hebrew מְרֹדַךְ Merodach; Greek Μαρδοχαῖος,[1] Mardochaios)

follow the bouncing ball:

nimrod
nmrd
(like they removed the "E" from EN, just leaving Nimrod. or even switched the 2 letters around so that IN (EN) became NI. so ni-mrd. lord marduk.)
mrkr
mrdr
mrdg
mrdk (merodach)

but that last one is a doozy: mardo chaios.
holy toledo. lord chaos. whee, we got him by the chin hairs.
babel = gate of the god(s) and it also = gate of the chaotic water god, chaos referencing the turbulent water of the abyss, the abzu, the nun. at this point in history, letters that typically are effected by dyslexia, showed up in the texts. b's became p's and d's, z became s, for example, abzu became apsu.

a bit of back story:

enki controlled the abzu at eridu. in enuma elish, an early babylonian text written by marduk's priests, it suddenly turns the abzu into a god named abzu, who is married to tiamat (chaotic water dragon of creation (there's the egyptian nun again)). enki kills abzu. abzu is the gate of the abyss. so it sounds like he "closes the gate of the abyss". so tiamat instead bonds with kingu (theoretically another chaos water gate). later, in enmerkar and the lord of arrata, we see enki confusing the languages at babel and tearing down the tower of babel. this is also in the biblical text. the closing of the abzu gate and the tearing down of the tower of babel (gate of the chaotic water god), these are the same events.

originally posted by: undo
a bit of back story:

enki controlled the abzu at eridu. in enuma elish, an early babylonian text written by marduk's priests, it suddenly turns the abzu into a god named abzu, who is married to tiamat (chaotic water dragon of creation (there's the egyptian nun again)). enki kills abzu. abzu is the gate of the abyss. so it sounds like he "closes the gate of the abyss". so tiamat instead bonds with kingu (theoretically another chaos water gate). later, in enmerkar and the lord of arrata, we see enki confusing the languages at babel and tearing down the tower of babel. this is also in the biblical text. the closing of the abzu gate and the tearing down of the tower of babel (gate of the chaotic water god), these are the same events.

Indeed. Enki is the God Moses called Jahveh. Another name for Enki is Ea - Yah - Jah. And Jah is Jesus, as is written in the name of Isaiah - Isa (Jesus) Jah -- Father and God of Lord Immanuel, his name is a mystery.

Enki warned Noah of the Flood, he destroyed Tiamat and Kingu in Mesopotamian lore; in the Bible, Leviathan and Rahab: The Water Dragon Yam whose tongue is the Nile, Yam has seven heads just as the Nile has seven "heads" (main bodies of water) separated by six natural and reinforced cateracts (sort of steps or natural flood gates). Traditionally Yam, Leviathan and Tiamat all have ten horns. Now where have we read about a seven headed, decicorn dragon? Hmmmm......

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

yay, someone who sees the same thing i do!

i would like to add that i don't think the abzu/abyss/bottomless pit, is the same thing as the ocean. some of the abysses (abyssi? hehe) are in the ocean, but they aren't the oceans themselves. this is hinted at all over sumerian and other cultural lores in the form of the pleaides (7 sisters). why them? i think i found the answer in the story of the great bull of heaven. i was having trouble connecting the abyss to the pleaides. but since the pleaides were between the horns of the great bull of heaven (taurus) it started a little research trail (very scant) that any ancient symbols of things held inside bull's horns, may be parallel representatives. and of course, there are tons of bull's horns holding items in ancient egyptian artworks.

now let's skip back to sumer for a moment. did you know the abzu was cosmic water? what the sam hill is cosmic water? i found a sumerian story concerning the positioning of the e.abzu **enki's temple at eridu**, which referred to it being connected to the field constellation and faced the chariot constellation. that was a head scratcher. let me see if i can find it again and i'll post it and its source here for ya.

enki and the world order *excerpt

The lord established a shrine, a holy shrine, whose interior is elaborately constructed. He established a shrine in the sea, a holy shrine, whose interior is elaborately constructed. The shrine, whose interior is a tangled thread, is beyond understanding. The shrine's emplacement is situated by the constellation the Field, the holy upper shrine's emplacement faces towards the Chariot constellation

etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk...

the field, presumably is the great square of pegasus. that really threw me off. why does it skip from talking about the pleaides as cosmic water in the abzu, to the great square of pegasus? assyriologists believe it's a reference to land plots being based on a heavenly measurement applied to land on the earth. is that what the text meant by "situated by the field?" i don't think so!

the fish(pisces) represented the tigris and euphrates and the field represented the land plot upon which eridu sat (as above, so below), said one researcher, who believed the massive amounts of whirlpool like *turbulent chaotic water references, were referring to the great churn of heaven - the precession of the equinoxes. i think that is wrong on mannny levels. many. so many i lost count a long time ago.

as a result, i don't think the yamm and ocean references and seven headed nile, are as mundane or cut and dry as you think

even after all that research, i have no idea why it references the pleaides and great bull in connection with the abzu cosmic water. personally, i think it's one of these

isa/esa/esu is a title given to royal egyptian divine births. found this out during my research of cleopatra. it's somehow connected to horus, but that may not have been the earliest reference, as horus was a royal egyptian divine birth. the title may predate the post black sea flood history of nimrod/narmer/marduk's pharaonic dynasties. cleopatra's son isa/esa/esu was a royal egyptian divine birth, thus why topics like zeitgeist are picking up clues related to esu being nothing but a myth, because they assume ancient egyptian titles were based on myths, not actual living beings. i think they are wrong!

I have been reading up a few things this week and have been looking at the lost ten tribes of Israel via internet. The consensus is they migrated west over the generations even as far as America. The tribe of Dan certainly did. So regarding other cultures having a flood story could that have come from these tribes. Other tribes ventured to Chine etc. Even though they were Jews, they lost their identity over the generations, but traditions kept in the cultures they set up.
Just a stab in the dark.

Ps Undo, I read everything you post so if it seems I'm following you around it's only because I'm like your research.

originally posted by: sussy
I have been reading up a few things this week and have been looking at the lost ten tribes of Israel via internet. The consensus is they migrated west over the generations even as far as America. The tribe of Dan certainly did. So regarding other cultures having a flood story could that have come from these tribes. Other tribes ventured to Chine etc. Even though they were Jews, they lost their identity over the generations, but traditions kept in the cultures they set up.
Just a stab in the dark.

Ps Undo, I read everything you post so if it seems I'm following you around it's only because I'm like your research.

aww thanks. how about this one:

i told my mom, 4 decades ago, after researching the etymologies of genesis 10 - if the etymology is based on the redistribution of the elohim - human offspring, then they would be repopulating a version of earth (or at the very least all inhabitable land) where life had to be completely rebooted. that would mean the tribes that repopulated following the big cataclysm, literally, make up all of humankind present on the planet today. we would all be "tribes of israel" in that sense.

but this is contingent on the theory that the verses about the creation of the adam males and females, are referencing a singular creator god, creating people in the image of other gods of various pre-cataclysmic races. if you read the sumerian creation of man story, enki employed various "birth goddesses" for this task. in modern scientific terms, he would've combined his own dna with the dna of the pre-cataclysmic birth goddesses, to create a worker race or something to that effect. i'd have to re-read it because these stories may overlap with nephilim accounts, so have to be cautious.

if you read my 2 floods of noah theory, i referenced earlier, this may make more sense.

ah yes, here it is. it isn't an easy read, because there are so many amazing things leaping off the page, your mind will start wandering off on a subject. but read it all the way thru at least once

The Atrahasis Epic
webserv.jcu.edu...

what you see there is the birth goddesses, in conjunction with ea (enki), and using the blood/dna of geshtu-e, creating the worker race. it seems to me that given sufficient science, there would be no need for the death of geshtu-e. however, the passages also seem to indicate that geshtu-e wasn't simply there in the creation account to provide a blood sacrifice for dna samples, but a "spirit" for the newly created workers. that is interesting and confusing at the same time.

so i'm thinking this account is a version of the events from the priests of enlil, as it was enlil who demanded blood sacrifices. notice how it says the gods emersed in the blood of the slain geshtu-e, in order to "purify" them. (i bet it was water originally, so they would be hygenically clean, and enlil's priests made it blood instead, to qualify their practice of blood sacrifices). theoretically, the only part of the passage that rings true is the reference to the spirit of geshtu-e. but why would it be necessary to kill geshtu-e and then duplicate, in the sense of "clone" the spirit of geshtu-e in order for the newly created workers to have a spirit? something's there. i just haven't worked it all out yet.

and for utnapishtim

consider the passage in the new testament that calls jesus: "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
is this calling jesus the equivalent of geshtu-e?

a reply to: undoI have read it twice now and was wondering if Ghost = breath, Drumbeat=heartbeat.
It went on to say I have bestowed noise on man so that must be speech.

originally posted by: sussy
a reply to: undoI have read it twice now and was wondering if Ghost = breath, Drumbeat=heartbeat.
It went on to say I have bestowed noise on man so that must be speech.

oh interesting. so, in other words, "energy", like electricity. that wouldn't require killing someone either. so why is geshtu-e, killed? same with the intake of air. if there's already a breathable atmosphere, which would be necessary for mammals anyway, why is it necessary to kill geshtu-e for breath?

later references to noise, as it applies to enlil, are when he says humans are too noisy in their lovemaking. it seems many ancient texts identify this event as referencing inheritable human dna, that it was messed up by the influx of nephilim into the genome. in effect, it wasn't "love-making", it was the result of sexually transmitted dna being messed up - i.e. inheritable dna - it was noisy, polluted, which is why it says noah was righteous in his GENERATIONS. it wasn't that he was some exemplary example of the human species, behaviorally, other than his genetic tree had no nephilim dna or whatever it was that made the human genome "noisy". in the biblical context, this meant he followed the rules of not interbreeding with nephilim in his timeline as well as his predecessors.

but even that is a non-starter since there are examples of nephilim being employed in the service of king david, one of which killed a huge amount of philistines, single-handedly. it was some outrageous number (like maybe 800?) that made it sound like he wasn't using traditional weaponry.

one more thought:

this is why electrical impulse and pumping action of the chest, artifically filling the lungs with air, is sufficient to start a person breathing yet geshtu-e had to die to start a person breathing? i mean, that is, if breath = spirit.

something missing

similarly, if the entire human genome is written into a single strand of dna, doesn't this suggest that intellect is also determined by the contents of a single strand of dna? and if so, why would it be necessary to kill geshtu-e's whole body, to extract a single strand of dna? i mean, if that is the route of human intellect, it seems like massive overkill.

originally posted by: undo
and for utnapishtim

consider the passage in the new testament that calls jesus: "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world"
is this calling jesus the equivalent of geshtu-e?

Well, he sure was a smart one, Jesus, and this Geshtu-e was supposed to be a carnation of pure intelligence. It could very well be the case. Never thought of it that way, but the names even look similar -- compare "Ge-shtu-e" with "Je-shu-a". Looks rather similar.

Another thing that comes to mind, speaking of human sacrifice, is that according to one reading of Genesis and supported by a bunch of serious scholars, Abraham actually carried out the sacrifice of Isaac to God (human sacrifice), for the part saying he changed his mind was added quite long time after Genesis 22:1-10, which belongs to the Eloist source. Now Genesis 22:11-14 were inserted after the Assyrians destroyed the Kingdom of Israel (which the E source belongs to). The sacrifice of Isaac seems to fit the deal somehow, when considering the following from The Bible With Sources Revealed by Richard Elliott Friedman ISBN 978-0-06-073065-9 page 65:

It is possible that in the original old E story, Abraham actually carries out the sacrifice of Isaac. The evidence that vv. 11-15, in which the sacrifice is stopped, were added by the RJE (U: post-Assyrian 'Redactor of E and J'), is as follows: (1) This is an E text, referring to the deity as God (Elohim) in narration three times (vv. 1,3,9), but suddenly, as Abraham takes the knife in his hand, the text switches to an angel of YHWH. (2) Verses 11-15, which describe the angel's instructions to Abraham not to sacrifice his son after all, are enclosed in a resumptive repetition in which the angel calls out two times. (3) Following this resumptive repetition, the angel (or God) says, "because you did this thing and didn't withhold your son." (4) The story concludes, "And Abraham went back to his boys." Isaac is not mentioned-- even though Abraham had explicitly told the boys, "We'll come back to you." (5) Isaac never again appears in E after this. (6) In the E story of a revelation at Mount Horeb in Exodus 24, there is a chain of eighteen parallels of language with this story of Isaac, but not one of those parallels comes solely from these verses (11-15). See the note on Exodus 24:1. (7) There is a group of midrashic sources that say that Isaac was in fact sacrificed.
==> In light of these factors, it is possible that in the E story, Abraham sacrifices Isaac, but that later this idea of human sacrifice was repugnant, and so the RJE added the lines in which Isaac is spared and a ram is substituted. It is not possible to say how the original E version accounted for the introduction of Jacob. Notably, though, it is in E (in the very next pasage that is traced to E) that Abraham later has another wife, Keturah, and has more children.

Chapter 22 of Genesis is a massive patchwork made up from three distinct sources, E (vv.1-10 + 16-19), RJE (vv. 11-15+"word of YHWH" in v. 16) and J (vv. 20-24)

ETA: Note that it is Elohim who orders the sacrifice of Isaac, while it is JHVH or the Angel of JHVH or even the Word of JHVH that interferes and stops the killing of Isaac. Abraham supposedly called the place on Moria (currently the temple height in Jerusalem) where he performed the sacrifice, be it that of Isaac or the later added substitute ram-- JHVH Yir'eh which is translated "JHVH Provides" but it really means "JHVH Will See" or "JHVH Will Realise". /ETA

However, since Atrahasis speaks of pre-deluge gods and human sacrifice, perhaps the old Cain and Abel or for that matter Set and As-Ar in Egypt?

perhaps cain and abel. set and as-ar, i don't think so, unless it was referencing an even earlier version of set and as-ar in pre-dynastic egypt (i don't think pre-dynastic egypt is actually lacking dynasties, it's just ante-diluvian and would more likely be khemites (hamites), which sounds semitic to me.

have you seen the data on khemitic egypt?
check some of this stuff out

a reply to: undo

Khem (patriarch of the Khemites) was the brother of Shem (patriarch of the Semites) and Japheth (Europeans mostly). You see the name Khem in the Arabic word "Al-Khemet" which means 'From Egypt' or 'From the Black Land' and was the word that turned into the word 'Alchemy' and the source behind the misnomer "Black Magic", and eventually of course the modern word 'Chemistry'. 'Science' is from 'Zion' as in 'Mount Zion' and the foundation of "The Lamb of God" totem of the Kingdom of David (i.e. NOT Religion or Zionism, but Science).