Area 51 Scientist's Deathbed Show & Tell!

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

i reply because the evidence proving your assertions are wrong is posted in this thread.

What evidence is that, exactly?

read the thread; is not my job to serve everything up on a silver platter because you refuse to do the research yourself.

I read the entire thread an I still have no clue what evidence you are talking about. the only evidence I have seen is evidence of this "alien" being a prop. none whatsoever that its ANYTHING else. unless you have a real alien to compare...

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Did you formulate your own version of this thread in your mind to suit your flawed hoax explanation?

OG

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

i reply because the evidence proving your assertions are wrong is posted in this thread.

What evidence is that, exactly?

read the thread; is not my job to serve everything up on a silver platter because you refuse to do the research yourself.

I read the entire thread an I still have no clue what evidence you are talking about. the only evidence I have seen is evidence of this "alien" being a prop. none whatsoever that its ANYTHING else. unless you have a real alien to compare...

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Did you formulate your own version of this thread in your mind to suit your flawed hoax explanation?

OG

ET was bathed in a watered down model ink. Hence the reason this looks more realistic. You honestly think they'd pull it out of the box and bingo? You do realize that's why they didn't zoom in to provide better pics right? They obviously know AV with the 45 correction. That alone proves this has been doctored.

Where's your proof they're not the same and one is just inked? Because as an avid miniature painter (40k and Acton Sets), it's obvious they inked it.

a reply to: OrionsGem

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Some have said they're not the same but no one has shown they're not the same.

You do realize that more than one prop has been presented, right?

a reply to: Jenisiz

Also love how the guy wastes time talking about the Tucson "mothership". Why not load the pics up proudly instead of zooming in? Guess they can use zoom when it's convenient. Guy had nothing credible. You have photos of an alien yet waste so much time talking about other less exciting things? Good ol psych tactic. And you don't believe in theories? Lmfao... ok I'm done.

If anything this guy is part of the disinfo scene. He's not even the source. So anyone could be feeding him.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

i reply because the evidence proving your assertions are wrong is posted in this thread.

What evidence is that, exactly?

read the thread; is not my job to serve everything up on a silver platter because you refuse to do the research yourself.

I read the entire thread an I still have no clue what evidence you are talking about. the only evidence I have seen is evidence of this "alien" being a prop. none whatsoever that its ANYTHING else. unless you have a real alien to compare...

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Did you formulate your own version of this thread in your mind to suit your flawed hoax explanation?

OG

You are not following. No evidence whatsoever has been provided that the picture shows a real honest to goodness alien. None. Lots and lots of evidence showing that its the same thing as the prop. The only difference being that we have very clear shots of the prop and we have some very poor images of the "alien". Even so, they match more than reasonably.

Honestly, your argument seems more like a distraction from the rest of the story. Why so focused on the "alien"? If you follow me, the fake alien picture doesn't discredit him, only parts of the story. What you need to do is put your ego aside and take a step back. What parts of the story can actually be verified? Certainly not the "alien" photos which appear to be fake.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

i reply because the evidence proving your assertions are wrong is posted in this thread.

What evidence is that, exactly?

read the thread; is not my job to serve everything up on a silver platter because you refuse to do the research yourself.

I read the entire thread an I still have no clue what evidence you are talking about. the only evidence I have seen is evidence of this "alien" being a prop. none whatsoever that its ANYTHING else. unless you have a real alien to compare...

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Did you formulate your own version of this thread in your mind to suit your flawed hoax explanation?

OG

You are not following. No evidence whatsoever has been provided that the picture shows a real honest to goodness alien. None. Lots and lots of evidence showing that its the same thing as the prop. The only difference being that we have very clear shots of the prop and we have some very poor images of the "alien". Even so, they match more than reasonably.

Honestly, your argument seems more like a distraction from the rest of the story. Why so focused on the "alien"? If you follow me, the fake alien picture doesn't discredit him, only parts of the story. What you need to do is put your ego aside and take a step back. What parts of the story can actually be verified? Certainly not the "alien" photos which appear to be fake.

The photos themselves have been manually aged. Also the fact that he's not the source, made a mistake of 45 years which was obviously caught and edited in (which a lack of editing expertise excuse was used to justify no pic uploads or better zoom ins) and provides too much info on stories he had no part in as a complimenting tactic to affirm his. I mean he claims it's a ufo mothership based off of a photo. Doesn't specify how he knows it he just does minutes after claiming to be a scientist lol. Scientists postulate, but according to him il it's all about the data... but only when it's convenient.

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Some have said they're not the same but no one has shown they're not the same.

You do realize that more than one prop has been presented, right?

you clearly did not read the thread. Comparisons (with photos) have been made showing niether prop matches the video. Please read again.

OG

originally posted by: ZetaRediculianWhat parts of the story can actually be verified? Certainly not the "alien" photos which appear to be fake.

We have established that he seems to be Boyd B. Bushman, a guy that worked at Lockheed / Lockheed Martin until roughly 2001. Bushman was an engineer. He held a number of patents (27 I believe). A list of them is somewhere in this forum. The video of interest - the one with the pictures of "aliens" in it - states it is a documentary made by Bushman. The documentary seems to be shot by a "Scott Feree" of Banes, AZ, a guy that occurs briefly in the video.

As I have stated a number of times before: it would be great if one of our members that live in AZ (or maybe even near Banes) would try to seek out this mr Feree and interview him, as he seems to be one of the last people that met Bushman on this topic.

This is Scott:



He states he lives in Bales (or Banes, Baines?) AZ. He probably contacted Bushman because he shot some pictures and found UFO's on them. And somehow ended up holding the camera for Boyd's "documentary". As a reward he got taped too, we hear his story in the "documentary". He strikes me as a slightly puzzled, and eventually disgruntled involunatry cameraman. But surely there must be a member that lives close enough to investigate - it would be great to hear his side of the story.


We know more: one of our members came up with an article that says Bushman had a legal fight over his patents with LM. This because Bushman wanted LM to employ these patents - which they did not - so he could make some additional money from them. We know that Bushman has told this story and similar stories many times before. Bushman also clearly says he is not a witness, but that he was given information. The video contains a lot of quick glimpses of photographs - but we don't have the originals of these. The pictures are blurry and without any negatives / originals don't mean much - and I think even when you have the negatives or originals, if they are as blurry as they appear on the video, they aren't of much use anyway.

What else do we know - and do you have any suggestions what we should do with it? You seem to have a plan or line of thought?

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Some have said they're not the same but no one has shown they're not the same.

You do realize that more than one prop has been presented, right?

you clearly did not read the thread. Comparisons (with photos) have been made showing niether prop matches the video. Please read again.

OG

Speaking of photos...care to justify why they are not evenly aged? Roswell photos are more believable and in tact. I have family photos from decades ago in better condition. Why are they not uploaded either? He's got the AV know how...and digital prints as well...

Sorry, double posting.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

I live in AZ and would be happy to. But there is no Banes or Bains Arizona lol

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Some have said they're not the same but no one has shown they're not the same.

You do realize that more than one prop has been presented, right?

you clearly did not read the thread. Comparisons (with photos) have been made showing niether prop matches the video. Please read again.

OG

Speaking of photos...care to justify why they are not evenly aged? Roswell photos are more believable and in tact. I have family photos from decades ago in better condition. Why are they not uploaded either? He's got the AV know how...and digital prints as well...

Sure, negatives of old photo film can be dug up and redeveloped into fresh paper photos. They dont look evenly aged probably because they were not all developed at once.

OG

a reply to: Jenisiz

I know, I used Google maps and found there is a neighbourhood to the east of Phoenix that might be what he refers to:



Not sure. Check out the video, at roughly 4'29" he mentions where he lives. It could be "Vale", or "Bales" or..
well, maybe you can tell, as you live in the neighbourhood ..

a reply to: ForteanOrg


We have also established that Boyd Bushman, has had You Tube and other vids posted over at least the last 7 years. All basically saying the same thing.

The last one he made ( the topic of this thread ) was probably his last throw of the dice before his death.

I still can't believe this isn't in the Hoax Bin yet.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: ForteanOrg

I live in AZ and would be happy to. But there is no Banes or Bains Arizona lol

There is a Burns AZ.

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
a reply to: OrionsGem

so you've read the countless posts here showing that the prop does not match the et in the video?

Some have said they're not the same but no one has shown they're not the same.

You do realize that more than one prop has been presented, right?

you clearly did not read the thread. Comparisons (with photos) have been made showing niether prop matches the video. Please read again.

OG

Speaking of photos...care to justify why they are not evenly aged? Roswell photos are more believable and in tact. I have family photos from decades ago in better condition. Why are they not uploaded either? He's got the AV know how...and digital prints as well...

Sure, negatives of old photo film can be dug up and redeveloped into fresh paper photos. They dont look evenly aged probably because they were not all developed at once.

OG

Then where's these negatives? All those provided are the same used in other videos. The same pics. They would age the same if they were even remotely printed at the same time. More excuses.

AZ is pretty large and dense. That's a community of only a few homes. It's a fictitious location.

No burns az either. Look up a city list name.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ForteanOrg


We have also established that Boyd Bushman, has had You Tube and other vids posted over at least the last 7 years. All basically saying the same thing.

The last one he made ( the topic of this thread ) was probably his last throw of the dice before his death.

I still can't believe this isn't in the Hoax Bin yet.

More of a deathbed show and re-tell.

Vail, AZ

originally posted by: DenyObfuscation
Vail, AZ

Ranching town near Tuscon. I'll check but I doubt he's there.

a reply to: ForteanOrg

LinkedIn lists him as residing in Tuscon.