Anyone Ever Heard of Deagel.Com?

It looks like the website was hacked at first... but check out this video.

Apparently an official from the website answered that the data portrayed a Western collapse. The WayBackWhen Machine shows the website predicted a western collapse every year in its predictions since at least 2011, but not as much.

An interesting aside - Tom Clancy was known to go to websites like this in order to research for his books, if the depopulation data has been on there for years (which it has been) he might have stumbled on it before dying of an undisclosed illness in 2013.

a reply to: signalfire
Um I'm gonna guess it's most likely your website? Am I wrong. You did start the thread? how and why would you find this?

Either the OP owns the website or a friend does. They are interested in the same topics obviously. If you use logic, you will see where I'm coming from.

a reply to: KittyStix

ROFL! Man you just made my morning with that. Thanks for that.

Now; to get to the bottom of your assessment and its invalidity.

First off - my apologies for my delay in a response - my evening was rather 'fun filled' - if you will.

Now...

originally posted by: KittyStix
a reply to: DigitalJedi805

Hope that got through. Screen shot there are no DB links on the site. Go look yourself. Yes, you can see DB linkage when running developer modes.

As is clear by your reference to the developer tools database segment, you painfully obviously do not understand that "what is presented to the end user as a 'database connection' does not imply that there is not a database driving the site". Let me make a reference.

The following image is a site that I manage myself. The site's presentation is... deplorable, and I will not debate that for any reason. This is simply 'above my pay grade', but I digress; what is not above my pay grade - is the entirety of the back end functionality of this site.



As you can clearly see - I similarly have no 'Web SQL' definitions in my developer tools - but ( and I can even post code if it makes you happy ) - I can assure you that across the THOUSANDS of lines of PHP that run this website, there are dozens of connections to a database established, queried, and closed in order to present this website.

The mere fact that you would even reference developer tools database connections in respect to 'there being or not being a database running this' - is laughable. Under no circumstance is it ever the intention of the developer to expose his database to the public - this is an obvious flaw in security, in all respects.

It is common practice to utilize database interaction in your web scripting code ( ASPX in this case ) that collects and analyzes all of your data, and then presents that data to the user, without ever even informing the user that a database connection was utilized. At no point in any cognitive software engineer's mind would he ever say 'Hey why don't I just send the whole database to the client so he has full access to it!'. What this implies; is that no site anywhere that has any database functionality is going to present that database to you.

Do me a favor - flip over to Facebook and tell me what you see under 'Web SQL' in dev tools. If you want to try and tell me that Facebook runs without a database, we're done.

Now back to your Three Cents!

Mods I sincerely apologize ahead of time for my upcoming insertion of code - if it is misplaced I will dump it to a text file so it might be linked to.

1) There is noting "special" about the deagel.com site coding. In fact it is very basic HTML, JS and CSS.

In the file 'deagel14.js' - I find references to effectively ( or potentially ) every single element in the DOM. This file does not contain code to 'do some nifty stuff on my website' - this file contains code that 'encompasses large segments of the website in advanced manners'. If you have any knowledge of JavaScript, you'll know that interaction between AJAX and the DOM are not defined to this depth in a single forum or support site. Each one of the functions in this file are individually written, custom code, that someone who 'knew what they were doing' wrote. Per individual necessity.

The part that I believe is escaping you, is that there is server-side code rendering simply HTML so that your browser can interpret it. If you believe that all of any sites functionality is simply handed out to the user for your sifting through - you're sadly mistaken. I have a website with tens of thousands of lines of code running it, that - where you to view the source code on - would only present about 30 lines, with a completely empty BODY - but one that still presents a fully functional, AJAX, PHP, Database driven website with full visual presentation - but fancy that, it still comes out in Plain-Jane HTML.

2) The Java codes: deagel14.js and jquery.js are basic simple code. In fact these can be found on the internet and hacked to your needs. There have been JS script packages on the net as long as the net has had JS.

I'll reiterate most of my above in respect to deagel14.js - with the addition that nowhere on the internet does a single post or article present all of these things combined into one large set of functions that interoperate with each other. The functions listed in this file, are coherent, well thought out, highly directed methods that achieve functions specific to this site. I assure you, references from the internet were utilized - but this entire JS file is written at a single persons hands - and that person displayed obvious proficiency. If you want to debate that further, I have nothing to say to you.

JQuery.js... You must be kidding me though, right? The fact that you referred to it makes me shudder. First off - that file is not under my scrutiny - it is a commonly available library of diverse _javascript implementations that nearly every website on the modern internet uses. Secondly - this file is even further complex than the deagel14.js that you so softly referred to as 'basic'. Neither of these files are basic, and your credibility to web development is dwindling swiftly.

3) Google is linked from withing the site

Do you mean this line?



If you were any sort of actual web developer, you would know that this _javascript file is Google's relief effort to the internet that provides HTML5 functionality in older browsers. It is not a search implementation. It is not a stat tracking implementation. It is not an ad generation implementation. And if you were paying attention - it only applies to IE9 and under users.

4) The site search function is not some super searcher on the backend requiring "gangs of programmers" It is a simple JS query of the site itself looking for your provided keywords.

You're kidding right?



Have a gander at that. You see the part where it says 'action="search.aspx"'???

This implies that when a user presses the search button, the value of the search field is passed down to the search.aspx file, that in turn calculates ( generally against a database ) results and prints them out in the oh so basic HTML that you referenced before. If you are under some impression that ASPX files are simply a composition of HTML with a different extension - I'm not sure how you expect this 'search.aspx' file to determine results, although I believe what you're implying is that some AJAX function is querying every single one of their 'basic html pages' and scanning the content every time you perform a search. That might have been the assessment of the morning, and I simply don't have time at the start of my morning to get into the absolute insanity of that statement.

continued...

( Yeah... I said it... )

a reply to: KittyStix

To see this for yourself get off the lame Internet Explorer and Windows. Boot Ubuntu, use Chrome, in the Menu goto tools and fire up the developer options and see the non "sinister" code yourself.

This is an insult to me. And you should be aware that I use Every browser if need be ( since I'm an ACTUAL web developer I have to test in all of them ), and that you've never even heard of my over the top Chromium-Based browser. BTW Chromium is what Chrome is based on. Incase you're new.

Now... The simple fact that you imply that this is written in Expression and has No back-end ASPX code is truly laughable. I will walk away from that implication laughing, for the simple fact that: In the event that Server-Side code is executed, it is literally impossible for the end user to see what was executed. This is nearly the concept of server-side code defined.

I can't even get into the logistics of this without getting long winded and extremely sarcastic and probably rude.

Furthermore, you are assessing the meta tags of the site as 'poor user implementation'? I would bet a large sum of money that the faults you see in the meta tags are faults that the ASPX running server-side generated because it is designed to just smash a bunch of words together to make the site more searchable.

I have plenty more to discredit you friend, if need be - but perhaps you should step away before your grave gets any deeper. As a day-old account I might expect that you wouldn't be trying to cause ripples - but as a day-old account and a 'long time viewer' - I also feel that you're likely not a 'commoner' to ATS, but more likely someone trying to divert the thread.


a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Fly - I might go as far as a pig in the dragons nest.

originally posted by: Riffrafter
At a minimum, it seems as if whomever is running that site is actively monitoring this thread.

Maybe even participating for all I know...

Why?

Looking more and more like it to me every day.

ETA: Not gonna bother figuring out where this comment fits into my novel - but I can also point out locations in the _javascript that utilize keywords that are only applicable in a database environment. As in - text that is passed directly to the database query that the ASPX handles. I would honestly not be surprised if I could hack this site utilizing that fact.

a reply to: Vaedur

Who knows - maybe signalfire is trying to give us a signal fire right now.

"HEADS UP IM INVOLVED BUT I CAN'T SAY THAT AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE AWARE!"

*ahem* Doze caps...

But that wouldn't explain why he is trying to figure out where the data came from, who's running it, etc...

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

Yes it would, to get hits on the site.

a reply to: Vaedur

I suppose the more pertinent question is - Why. There's no relationship between clicks and revenue on this site. I have to wonder what the motivation would be.

They'll probably explain it away, at least in regards to European countries, that it is due to the low birth rates... Yeah, right.

a reply to: DigitalJedi805

UK will lose 49% ??? wtf

Did anyone catch this text posted on Deagel.com homepage for just a couple of hours on Wednesday? It was on the left in pink.

"For those who might be concerned.

The countries forecast has been out there for over a decade. It is updated annually using the latest available information and is provided AS IS. Obviously, at this point, predicts a Western collapse."

They've obviously removed this, I was just wondering if anyone caught a screenshot. I knew I should have got one when I copied the text.

a reply to: sirtwentythree

Yes, it's been mentioned a couples times in this thread. They also pointed out the next day that they were not affiliated with any government entity and were run by private interest. You can see the full text I posted on page 3.

originally posted by: sirtwentythree
Did anyone catch this text posted on Deagel.com homepage for just a couple of hours on Wednesday? It was on the left in pink.

"For those who might be concerned.

The countries forecast has been out there for over a decade. It is updated annually using the latest available information and is provided AS IS. Obviously, at this point, predicts a Western collapse."

They've obviously removed this, I was just wondering if anyone caught a screenshot. I knew I should have got one when I copied the text.

Wasn't able to get a screen but I seen that statement too. I think it was already covered in this thread too.

It says this webpage is not avaible.
U are lucky guys, who were able to see the page.
Maybe the website have been removed.

originally posted by: Adesh
It says this webpage is not avaible.

U are lucky guys, who were able to see the page.
Maybe the website have been removed.

That's weird. MAybe it's down for maintenance?

I managed to get a few screenshots. Hope I'm posting them correctly. Trying to get them out there quickly.

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a reply to: phoenix9884

Weird message


America stats


China stats


Proof the site was down.


All from Pheonix9884's links.

The owner (Gas Deagel) also owns this:

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Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-02-15 21:57:51
Registrar: TUCOWS, INC.
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Registrar Abuse Contact Email: @tucows.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.4165350123
Reseller: Fluid Hosting, LLC
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Domain Status: ok
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Registrant Name: Gas Deagel
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Registrant Country: ES
Registrant Phone: +34.972255221
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Registry Admin ID: 
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>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2013-08-18 03:27:29

When I worked as a district trainer for Burger King years back one of the main priorities was training/re-training new employees how to use the Kitchen Minder

www.goicc.com...

This system works by taking all historical sales and data for years and forecasts an eerily, accurate forecast for how much product should be cooked at any given time.

The system constantly updated throughout the day accurately reflecting forecasts 9 times out of 10. Many times I ignored the forecast thinking I knew best only to have a football team come in.

As a trainer I stressed the importance of trusting the system and cooking product as it called. It was imperative to the productivity and time demands. When employees failed to follow the forecast chaos would inevitably ensue.

Gor 2 1/2 years I watched this system work nearly flawlessly, time after time giving accurate forecasts at dozens of stores. Obviously the longer the sales history and data the more accurate the forecast.

This site seems to operate on the same principal as the programming running the kitchen minder, used in almost every Burger King restaurant in the world. The forecasts are not true predictions, it is a forecast based on all of the data provided to the program.

a reply to: phoenix9884

I too have worked with the Kitchen Minder at BK and yes it is almost always spot on. 9 times out of 10 we would have little to no waste at the end of the night and what waste we did have was usually due to employee error. If Deagel is using a similar forecasting method I think it is safe to say, we should all probably get our affairs in order sometime real soon. Things don't look good.

The site is still unavailable.
As it looks like China isn't going to lose anyone...maybe that's the reason they built these cities ????
Here`s the link......

youtu.be...