Gottfried Helnwein & Satanic Ritual Abuse

a reply to: Tangerine
I have already posted the link to his websites, and you already didnt read them.

You clearly have much reading to do, too. Most satanists are atheists. Very few denominations within believe in a literal demon named Shaitan. Luciferians actually believe they are aliens. Go find their websites, im not going to do it for you.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Tangerine
I have already posted the link to his websites, and you already didnt read them.

You clearly have much reading to do, too. Most satanists are atheists. Very few denominations within believe in a literal demon named Shaitan. Luciferians actually believe they are aliens. Go find their websites, im not going to do it for you.

You have declined to identify the specific link proving that he describes himself as a a Satanist and wears Satanic symbols. I have no intention of wading through Christian fundamentalist nutcase YouTubes and links to sites about mind control only to discover that they don't contain an iota of the evidence you claim exists about this particular person. If one of the links did contain it, you would have indicated which one it was when I requested that information.

Your definition of Satanist is so loose as to be meaningless.

I guess that ends your contribution to this discussion.

I should have known better than to even attempt a conversation about this topic. It inevitably and invariably leads further down the rabbit hole to the place where you people hang out and spin your fantasies from roots, grubs and worms.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: 2x Helix
a reply to: Tangerine

Agreed. There's a mountain of Christian-based fear mongering out there in Conspiracy Land, where EVERYTHING involving a triangle or proposes a different perspective on spirituality gets eeeee-vile stamped all over it. So whether there's an actual spiritual element attached to the subject of ritual abuse or not, it doesn't matter as intention and devotion produced by the follower of any given religion.

I no longer prescribe to anything involving the Judaic entity that refers to itself as "God". Rather, I view reality from a neutral perspective where quantum physics sort of ties everything together. Seems that reality is influenced through ones mental and emotional state that the ritual and practice places the individual in, not the ritual itself, which is why prayer appears to produce results in ALL religions and the so-called one true religion has and never will be settled upon. This ties into what Einstein's bud, physicist Max Planck referees to as kind of energetic grid.

With that said, it seems like occult ritual would fit this concept. While it's understandably easy to sustain mainstream religion through the concept of faith, claiming answers will be provided to the non-skeptical when they die, I've always wondered how result-based belief systems have survived for so long. It all comes down to will and consent in conjunction with one's mental and emotional state. So, most religions are essentially all correct in the sense that we all agree that love feels awesome! But for whatever reason we get mixed up in the details of it all.

For me, I see too many elements coming together that points to practitioners of an old school practice with a long history, to which I say, f**k these guys and their disgusting practices. It's too unnerving to sit idly by when it's practically rubbed in our faces. I just want to retain the hope that the world can see beyond the surface and come together to shut every last psychopath down.

I've concluded that John Todd was a CIA disinfo agent to keep smart religious people in positions of power off their mind control scent. There's no greater force to create upheaval in government than determined religious people. They tricked them into praying for protection from Satan instead of creating a legitimate legal ruckus. But I do think there's something to the demon weirdness because disinfo is always cleverly woven truths.

How does this apply to the OP's topic and where is the actual evidence for your claims? Not a single person who has posted on this thread has come up with an iota of evidence. Frankly, I don't even know what you're talking about and, judging by the lack of meaningful responses I've gotten to my questions from other posters, I don't anticipate that I ever will.

Okay...what evidence did you bring to the table Mr. Evidence? And why did you get all defensive when I was trying to support your claims?
John Todd: www.youtube.com...
After you listen to that, dig deeper. That was my own conclusion based off my research. The guy was very matter-of-fact and certainly could zap off insane information without much thinking before hand, which says something. There's one account by about 23 people and a preacher where he was shot at and they all witnessed it, the document from a minister researching JT is on my phone I'll pull off later with the account. And I was referring to your Religious comment about all their fear-mongering.

Operation Monarch: www.outpost-of-freedom.com...
Here is a link to the full files and Index of Mind Control Research records: documents.theblackvault.com...
And the CDROMS: www.theblackvault.com...

General Order No13 pdf: www.foia.cia.gov/wizards/osi_pdf/general_order_number.pdf
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The links I had for the declassified CIA docs. are 404'd. Weird.


It applies very much to the OP because when you get into weirdness like this painter and symbols (especially Disney), for some strange reason once you start to look, and I mean really look, the CIA has their writing on everything.

The YouTube you posted is ridiculous Christian conspiracy crap. This thread is about a specific painter. Do you have some evidence about this specific painter?

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Duh. Hence I said "I've concluded JT was a CIA disinfo agent" to get religious people tricked into spreading fear.

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Flesh699

originally posted by: 2x Helix
a reply to: Tangerine

Agreed. There's a mountain of Christian-based fear mongering out there in Conspiracy Land, where EVERYTHING involving a triangle or proposes a different perspective on spirituality gets eeeee-vile stamped all over it. So whether there's an actual spiritual element attached to the subject of ritual abuse or not, it doesn't matter as intention and devotion produced by the follower of any given religion.

I no longer prescribe to anything involving the Judaic entity that refers to itself as "God". Rather, I view reality from a neutral perspective where quantum physics sort of ties everything together. Seems that reality is influenced through ones mental and emotional state that the ritual and practice places the individual in, not the ritual itself, which is why prayer appears to produce results in ALL religions and the so-called one true religion has and never will be settled upon. This ties into what Einstein's bud, physicist Max Planck referees to as kind of energetic grid.

With that said, it seems like occult ritual would fit this concept. While it's understandably easy to sustain mainstream religion through the concept of faith, claiming answers will be provided to the non-skeptical when they die, I've always wondered how result-based belief systems have survived for so long. It all comes down to will and consent in conjunction with one's mental and emotional state. So, most religions are essentially all correct in the sense that we all agree that love feels awesome! But for whatever reason we get mixed up in the details of it all.

For me, I see too many elements coming together that points to practitioners of an old school practice with a long history, to which I say, f**k these guys and their disgusting practices. It's too unnerving to sit idly by when it's practically rubbed in our faces. I just want to retain the hope that the world can see beyond the surface and come together to shut every last psychopath down.

I've concluded that John Todd was a CIA disinfo agent to keep smart religious people in positions of power off their mind control scent. There's no greater force to create upheaval in government than determined religious people. They tricked them into praying for protection from Satan instead of creating a legitimate legal ruckus. But I do think there's something to the demon weirdness because disinfo is always cleverly woven truths.

How does this apply to the OP's topic and where is the actual evidence for your claims? Not a single person who has posted on this thread has come up with an iota of evidence. Frankly, I don't even know what you're talking about and, judging by the lack of meaningful responses I've gotten to my questions from other posters, I don't anticipate that I ever will.

Okay...what evidence did you bring to the table Mr. Evidence? And why did you get all defensive when I was trying to support your claims?
John Todd: www.youtube.com...
After you listen to that, dig deeper. That was my own conclusion based off my research. The guy was very matter-of-fact and certainly could zap off insane information without much thinking before hand, which says something. There's one account by about 23 people and a preacher where he was shot at and they all witnessed it, the document from a minister researching JT is on my phone I'll pull off later with the account. And I was referring to your Religious comment about all their fear-mongering.

Operation Monarch: www.outpost-of-freedom.com...
Here is a link to the full files and Index of Mind Control Research records: documents.theblackvault.com...
And the CDROMS: www.theblackvault.com...

General Order No13 pdf: www.foia.cia.gov/wizards/osi_pdf/general_order_number.pdf
(Search temporarily unavailable for some reason.
The links I had for the declassified CIA docs. are 404'd. Weird.


It applies very much to the OP because when you get into weirdness like this painter and symbols (especially Disney), for some strange reason once you start to look, and I mean really look, the CIA has their writing on everything.

The YouTube you posted is ridiculous Christian conspiracy crap. This thread is about a specific painter. Do you have some evidence about this specific painter?

:
Duh. Hence I said "I've concluded JT was a CIA disinfo agent" to get religious people tricked into spreading fear.

YOU claimed that Heilnwein (spelling?) is a satanist painter.

I did that which I should have done in the beginning which was do a google search under the title of this thread. It led to David Icke's site and similar nutjob sites. I've reached the conclusion that the people who obsess about this topic pose far more of a threat than the imaginary worldwide network of Satanic baby sacrificing cults they claim, absent an iota of hard evidence, exists. Do I believe that there are a few sick individuals who commit atrocities on children? Of course. But that is far from a worldwide Satanic network. This obsession is one of the dark sides of Christianity. Fundamentalists see themselves as wholly light and when one denies having any darkness in them that darkness increases and consumes them: hence their obsessions. I have begun to think that these people talk about this alleged conspiracy as a cover for their own twisted interests and to justify looking at images they find titillating but claim to find disturbing. They want this stuff to be happening. SIck, sick, sick.

a reply to: Tangerine
There is something seriously wrong with you. You keep derailing everything and refusing to read anything and then complaining that you dont have the information.

You keep making ridiculous strawman arguments and mentioning "christian" sources when I didnt post any conspiracy or christian sites, just the dude's OWN sites and the wikipedia articles, as well as the synopsis on the books/movies off ebay.

Satanists are typically atheist, thats just a fact. If you disagree because you've never spoken to any that's your failure.

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Tangerine
There is something seriously wrong with you. You keep derailing everything and refusing to read anything and then complaining that you dont have the information.

You keep making ridiculous strawman arguments and mentioning "christian" sources when I didnt post any conspiracy or christian sites, just the dude's OWN sites and the wikipedia articles, as well as the synopsis on the books/movies off ebay.

Satanists are typically atheist, thats just a fact. If you disagree because you've never spoken to any that's your failure.

You do know this thread is about Helnwein not Jodorowsky, right? Nowhere in the Wikipedia links does it say that Helnwein claims to be a Satanist. If I missed it, please repost the link in which he said that and in which there's a photo of him wearing Satanic symbols. This is my second and last request. IF it turns out that he's the type of self-styled Satanist who doesn't believe in or worship Satan, who cares? He can call himself a rabbit but that doesn't make him one. While you're at it, post some actual evidence that he's involved in "Satanic ritual abuse". Or would Satanic ritual abuse include atheists engaging in the ritual of eating cheese sandwiches on Saturdays? Satanists who don't believe in Satan. Hilarious.

a reply to: Tangerine
You are far past obnoxious. Once again, I nowhere said that they participate in ritual abuse. You dont even care that you're talking to different people. You havent figured out that if I reward your rudeness with reposting you wont learn.

I know you wont read this either, but Satanists are ATHEIST. Apology accepted.

Yeah I think I should just let everyone know that Helnwein will literally paint a toilet if it gives him tons of exposure.

He's an artist. His entire act is shocking people and trying to get them "to look at the world differently".

Is he in some sort of cabal that uses imagery? No. The people that run this world wouldn't even allow him to be in the same room as them.

Helnwein is a deeply disturbed individual creating works of deeply disturbing art. He's cheered on by the big names and they most certainly know evil, gore and dark imagery sells. It sells big.

As for ritual abuse I'd look into the modern film/tv/music industry as the people who run those industries should have an entire season of Law & Order: SVU devoted to them.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme
While shock artists are common... his stuff is just beyond that. Have you seen his stage plays? He actually has nazis and nazi themes in them. And that must be his connection to Marilyn Manson, because after they met in 2002 or so, Manson started using all this Nazi imagery in his stuff, for example the lightning bolt logo, or the runelike double m, or his 4-M swastika he has tattooed on his chest.

Helnwein also has these big illuminati symbol art pieces (entire rooms) with the typical eye and pyramid and sacrificing white virgin stuff.

Helnwein was connected to Scientology according to a German documentary, L Ron Hubbard openly praised Crowley's version of satanism (and it appears this is where he got much of his knowledge on psychological manipulation), and Marilyn Manson is a registered member of the Church of Satan (Laveyan satanism). Manson desired (and succeeded) in creating a cult of personality around himself, and thats really what all of these people have in common, people in a sense worship them.

Helnwein also has connections to a lot of huge celebrities, just like Manson, people you wouldnt expect would be into nazi kinda stuff. The photo of Schwarzenegger and Helnwein is interesting, considering Arnold mentioned that he "admired" Hitler in his biography, and that "only a few men are born to lead, while the rest of humanity is born to follow" - wow, that ties in with the whole psychological manipulation and cult of personality thing with all the others...

His connection to huge celebrities and cults must be where he gets his wealth from, because it doesnt seem that he even sells prints

a reply to: Ridhya

But they don't have any power whatsoever. They're entertainers and they're simply used.

a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme
Uh what? Money, diehard fans, worshippers arent considered power...? I've seen people CRY when meeting celebrities, and go out of their way for the chance to sleep with them.

Have you ever heard what Tom Cruise has catered to him in Scientology? If people knew the treatment he gets they wouldnt question for a second why he joined!

originally posted by: Ridhya
a reply to: Yeahkeepwatchingme
While shock artists are common... his stuff is just beyond that. Have you seen his stage plays? He actually has nazis and nazi themes in them. And that must be his connection to Marilyn Manson, because after they met in 2002 or so, Manson started using all this Nazi imagery in his stuff, for example the lightning bolt logo, or the runelike double m, or his 4-M swastika he has tattooed on his chest.

Helnwein also has these big illuminati symbol art pieces (entire rooms) with the typical eye and pyramid and sacrificing white virgin stuff.

Helnwein was connected to Scientology according to a German documentary, L Ron Hubbard openly praised Crowley's version of satanism (and it appears this is where he got much of his knowledge on psychological manipulation), and Marilyn Manson is a registered member of the Church of Satan (Laveyan satanism). Manson desired (and succeeded) in creating a cult of personality around himself, and thats really what all of these people have in common, people in a sense worship them.

Helnwein also has connections to a lot of huge celebrities, just like Manson, people you wouldnt expect would be into nazi kinda stuff. The photo of Schwarzenegger and Helnwein is interesting, considering Arnold mentioned that he "admired" Hitler in his biography, and that "only a few men are born to lead, while the rest of humanity is born to follow" - wow, that ties in with the whole psychological manipulation and cult of personality thing with all the others...

His connection to huge celebrities and cults must be where he gets his wealth from, because it doesnt seem that he even sells prints

Go tell David Icke. Oh, wait, that's where you got all this crap! A Google of this thread topic leads right to the king of nutters: David Icke

a reply to: Tangerine
Another strawman. I have always despised David Icke and I havent been on his site. Helnwein has all of these photos on his site and Marilyn Manson has the rest. But you wouldnt know because you havent looked.

Please stop talking to me.

Here's something very interesting: the Simon Wiesenthal Center supported Helnwein and Manson

A guy whose plays include Nazi SS rituals


And a guy who is a nazi




How on earth does that work