Is there an organized effort to undermine the Aliens and UFOs forum?

a reply to: Tangerine

here's an interesting case from the uk media:

link

'Freaked out' BBC reporter tells millions of radio listeners of the moment he faced a UFO on his way to work

i'm a regular listener to the station (mainly the sports coverage), but i happened to be listening to the news the morning this incident occurred

fwiw, mr sewell has always struck me as a good, down to earth, level-headed sports reporter

the appearance and comments of timothy good are also interesting

a reply to: aynock

here's a recording of the relevant parts of the broadcast

link

originally posted by: duaneology
a reply to: InhaleExhale

I'd be very interested to see that. As I said earlier in my experience it's been rare, almost non-existent to see credible news agencies reporting on the phenomenon in a sincere and respectful manner.

I'll see if I can dig up the thread and give you a link.




Here it is

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: 111DPKING111

Columbus never surmised the earth was round, he already knew that...

But he had the circumference grievously wrong, as the Talavera Commission correctly pointed out. Had he not tripped across America, he would have died.

Aside from knowing the essentially accurate shape an dimensions of Earth, the distance and size of the Moon, the much GREATER distance and size of the Sun, pre-telescope astronomers [Greeks left records, but Mesopotamian, Hindu, and Chinese scholars, and maybe others] had naked eyeball methods to notice the gross angular size of the planets, and other secrets we tend to foolishly think of as 'modern' discoveries.

Thanks for setting that straight.

Are you the NASA employee that has done a remarkable job at debunking several of the UFO 'sightings' reported by NASA astronauts (e.g. the missing piece of the shuttle's thermal shield that was conjectured to be a black triangle UFO)? If so, glad you have made a valuable contribution to this field of inquiry

a reply to: TrueBrit

Thank you very much.

I wish more people were to read your post - it's absolutely well-written and spot-on IMO. I look forward to reading more of your threads/posts. Keep up the good work.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Glad you found it helpful, BeefNoMeat.

See you around the boards!

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: Tangerine

here's an interesting case from the uk media:

link

'Freaked out' BBC reporter tells millions of radio listeners of the moment he faced a UFO on his way to work

i'm a regular listener to the station (mainly the sports coverage), but i happened to be listening to the news the morning this incident occurred

fwiw, mr sewell has always struck me as a good, down to earth, level-headed sports reporter

the appearance and comments of timothy good are also interesting

Thanks for posting this. I wonder what kind of follow-up he experienced and whether he now regrets going public about this. If you hear anything, let us know.

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: Tangerine

here's an interesting case from the uk media:

link

'Freaked out' BBC reporter tells millions of radio listeners of the moment he faced a UFO on his way to work

i'm a regular listener to the station (mainly the sports coverage), but i happened to be listening to the news the morning this incident occurred

fwiw, mr sewell has always struck me as a good, down to earth, level-headed sports reporter

the appearance and comments of timothy good are also interesting

Nice find. I am thoroughly intrigued... shame he didn't chase after it. Wonder if the white van ever reached out?

originally posted by: duaneology
I'm new here so please correct me if I'm way off base. I just seem to notice an active effort by a number of ATS posters to discredit and belittle anything and everything posted here along with this sections regular contributors.

I'm not going to link them and give the agitators more attention but I've seen it in the Stanton Friedman thread and many others. Not only here but all throughout ATS I read disparaging remarks about this forum and those who post here.

It makes me feel like an attempt is being made to have the topic viewed as fringe and flaky as possible.

Your thoughts?

Let's get real. From the beginning of the Internet there have been forums on every topic imaginable. Because of the popularity of UFOs and alleged aliens, you hear more about the participants than of other forums. The majority of members of these forums, here on ATS and othe similar forums, the weak-minded believers rule. A skeptic has no business attending these forums 'cause all that will result is that these skeptics will lose their cool when reading all of the bs.

I'm a natural skeptic who has witnessed UFOs so their reality is not in question with me. On the other hand, claims of Extraterrestrial Aliens hold no water with me because all that exists is hearsay.

Sometimes some of us skeptics try to get the believers to see their erroneous ways of accepting blindly but because they do not know better they feel they are being assaulted and, yes, sometimes they have been insulted. It's wrong to do this on a public forum but sometimes it is also gratifying in calling a spade a spade.

The majority of material presented on these forums is pure bs.

a reply to: Tangerine

i'm not aware of any follow up or whether any other witnesses came forward

i did find this which was new to me:

link

looks like pretty poor cgi to me but nick pope seemed impressed:

UFO expert Nick Pope told the Sun: 'It's a really interesting video. Assuming it's genuine, it's one of the most bizarre pieces of UFO footage I've seen in a long time.

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat...

Are you the NASA employee that has done a remarkable job at debunking several of the UFO 'sightings' reported by NASA astronauts (e.g. the missing piece of the shuttle's thermal shield that was conjectured to be a black triangle UFO)? If so, glad you have made a valuable contribution to this field of inquiry

I worked at the NASA center 1975-1997, and have researched those stories on my own, thanks for the kind words.

I was posting these comments based on my own remarkable personal experience recently in Greece, over several successive pre-dawn observations rising from behind a sloped scarp a few hundred meters away. I noticed as it rose it only slowly reached full brightness. By moving my head 15-20 cm at first vertically and then also [due to the slope of the scarp's occulting edge] horizontally, I was able to measure the gradual dimming of its light, not instantaneous extinction. I was able to repeat this process half a dozen times over a period of several minutes, and with knowledge of the distance to the scarp derived an approximate value for the angular size of the sunlit portion of Venus. Any acute observer could have -- and I have no doubt did -- see the same phenomenon and deduce its implications.

a reply to: duaneology

This is just swamp gas reflecting off a chinese lantern being chased by a blurd.

Oh, and by the way, it's also "not of this world."
What random light in the sky could possibly be from earth?
Big round eyes? Scaly skin? "Not of this world."
Bigfoot? Furry. OF this world. Just cause. Y'know, forrests. Fur. Sure.
(Nessie is just a surviving Plesiosaur and dragons were just surviving Pterodactyls.)
Airship with tech you are not aware of? "Not of this world."
And there is ZERO CHANCE that someone with a $#!+ ton more money than you might spend it on something like VTOL disc aircraft, just for the hell of it, if not for any number of other reasons bludgeoned to death on this site.

Nope, no way, not us, not our NASA and Operation Paperclip, or God forbid you even THINK about it, any OTHER government.
Got it? Good, because that is the message of every UFO documentary, and almost every post on this and almost every other site.
Here's a hint -the Earth is hollow, ish, and so is every other planet.
"Ya can't be from Mars, duh, it's inhabitable." Ok, those people sound like a hillbillies from the 60's. They have almost as much empty space between their ears as Mars has between it's surfaces.
Goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the microchips bite.

Welcome to ATS, and the rabbit hole.

originally posted by: KAOStheory
Oh, and by the way, it's also "not of this world."
What random light in the sky could possibly be from earth?
Big round eyes? Scaly skin? "Not of this world."
Bigfoot? Furry. OF this world. Just cause. Y'know, forrests. Fur. Sure.
(Nessie is just a surviving Plesiosaur and dragons were just surviving Pterodactyls.)
Airship with tech you are not aware of? "Not of this world."
And there is ZERO CHANCE that someone with a $#!+ ton more money than you might spend it on something like VTOL disc aircraft, just for the hell of it, if not for any number of other reasons bludgeoned to death on this site.

Nope, no way, not us, not our NASA and Operation Paperclip, or God forbid you even THINK about it, any OTHER government.
Got it? Good, because that is the message of every UFO documentary, and almost every post on this and almost every other site.
Here's a hint -the Earth is hollow, ish, and so is every other planet.
"Ya can't be from Mars, duh, it's inhabitable." Ok, those people sound like a hillbillies from the 60's. They have almost as much empty space between their ears as Mars has between it's surfaces.
Goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the microchips bite.

Welcome to ATS, and the rabbit hole.

If you want to rant like a lunatic please do it in someone else's thread. If you have reasonable, coherent ideas to share I'd love to hear them.

After spending some time here I'm beginning to understand the frustration of those who ridicule the Aliens & UFOs forum here on ATS. It seems impossible to have any sort of discussion without it being swarmed by crazies posting ridiculous YouTube "proof" videos or quoting bible prophecy or just plain ranting about paranoid anti-government, secret society, lizard overlord nonsense.

Are these the agents of disinformation or is it the ones who show up to argue with them?

originally posted by: duaneology
After spending some time here I'm beginning to understand the frustration of those who ridicule the Aliens & UFOs forum here on ATS. It seems impossible to have any sort of discussion without it being swarmed by crazies posting ridiculous YouTube "proof" videos or quoting bible prophecy or just plain ranting about paranoid anti-government, secret society, lizard overlord nonsense.

Are these the agents of disinformation or is it the ones who show up to argue with them?

Good question.

a reply to: KAOStheory

I feel like you just self checkmated the entire "believer" community on this site...

a reply to: KAOStheory

No, that's the inside of the Lost In Space ship interior.

Surely you don't think that is a real alien craft?

a reply to: duaneology

Are these the agents of disinformation or is it the ones who show up to argue with them?

I can tell you that I personally have fallen into the trap of arguing relentlessly with some of these types. What a waste of time! Not something I am very proud of. So perhaps neither are disinfo agents, more likely just people on the internet arguing. You can see the same type of arguments and "crazies" on any discussion board.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: duaneology

Are these the agents of disinformation or is it the ones who show up to argue with them?

I can tell you that I personally have fallen into the trap of arguing relentlessly with some of these types. What a waste of time! Not something I am very proud of. So perhaps neither are disinfo agents, more likely just people on the internet arguing. You can see the same type of arguments and "crazies" on any discussion board.

The question then becomes what to do with them. Ignore them? Unfortunately, someone always posts to them and keeps feeding them. Other people (I'm guilty, too) talk about them which also feeds them.