The religious aspect of the New World Order - new age deception

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: LittleByLittle

Yes if you accept one at the expense of all others you have assumed some 66 to 90 per cent of the world is clueless,of course the devine has visited all cultures and times in a relevant manner to the people concerned.

A work in progress.

I am out from this thread. Have fun.

Namaste (I bow to the divine in you)

My name is Marissa and I study Anthropology, or the study of human culture over time. So I have taken alot of History of Religion classes and researched extensively about many of the worlds religions.

I want to point out to you that by smashing together new age beliefs and satanism, (ultimatley to supress the population via religion) that you are insinuating that Lucifer, was in fact, evil. The fact that you have already insinuated this shows just HOW MUCH the Christian religion brainwashes people. The religion that you are so worried about supressing the masses ALREADY HAS. The new age "religion", accompanied with the Age of Aquarious, will raise our planetary conciousness instead of lower it, like ALL Abrahamic religions do. Let me explain.

Lucifer literally translates to "light-bearer". (bringer of knowledge). The name LUCIFER actually does not appear in the old testament at all. The whole view of a "satan" or of rival of "God" or YAHWEH, starts with Adam and Eve. You are taught that THE SERPANT "lies" to Adam and Eve. He tells them that If they eat from the tree of good and evil, basically the tree of KNOWLEDGE, then they will become God-like. Why is this insinuated as a lie??? Because YAHWEH or Christian religion teaches you that "God" did not want humans to be god-like, that the tree of KNoWLEDGE is EVIL, therefore KNOWLEDGE is evil, therefore the entity LUCIFER is evil.

This is where I would say YAWEH or "GOD" is not entirely holy and LUCIFER is not entirely an evil guy. LUCIFER allowed humans, or Adam and Eve, to choose. He gave them choice and the ABILiTY to evolve thier conciousness, or become divine like himself. YAWEH wanted to supress the humans, keep them animal like, unconcious, basically as pets. He didnt want humans to have curiosity and question things. To me, Religions have it all wrong--the light bearer, or the entity that give humans knowledge is NOT evil, he is hoping to help humans evolve, while the other entity, what we know as "god", is the evil one who essencially wants to supress humans and keep them unevolved and as his slaves.

Why do i say "religions"? Because the Lucifer, bringer of knowledge, condemed by the other gods after FOR giving humans knowledge, is a common theme in all religions. In greek, we have Prometheus, who gave the knowledge of fire to humans, and then was condemed by the other gods and tortured for letting the humans in on thier knowledge. It is in countless other traditions. To me it seems like a power struggle between good aliens and bad aliens--bad aliens want to supress humans, keep them as slaves, while the good aliens want to help us evolve and become as smart as them.

If you look at Abrahamic religions--Muslim, Christian and Jewish--the three religions who most of the world subscribe too, the three religions who all worship the same "god" YAWEH, and have the same prophets, (Jesus, Moses etc.) are super controlling. Study the muslim religion and the Islamic revolution of the 1980s. Its pretty controlling. Also, these three religions are the major cause of countless wars for countless years. Go back in history and look at the Crusades, all the way to today-- people are still fighting in Palestine, the isrealites killing the Palestinians (Muslims) basically over the same exact religious spots, because they have different beliefs about what happened at them. I mean really study these three religions, guys. Most people usually do not realize that ALLAH and YAHWEH are the same person. THEY ARE ALL WORSHIPPING THE SAME ENTITY, yet killing themselves over it? doesnt sound like a real holy and nice entity to worship!

Also, I want to point out, that the Roman Empire didnt convert to Christianity until about 600 years AD. Before, the Roman Empire was completely pagan (believing in multiple gods). The Roman Gods and roman holidays are thr exact same as the Greek gods and holidays. So the Romans adapted greek religion into thier romanic religion in the first place. (actually almost all pagan religions are strickingly simular--from Norse to Greek to Egyptian to Roman) But the conversion of Christianity was made by the romanic leader Constantine. Why did he convert the ENTiRE roman empire? Story goes he saw a cross in the sky before a battle and won the battle and attributed it to "Jesus". (Keep in mind this is way after the Roman Empire already killed Jesus & persecued jewish and christian people, burning them at the stake, for hundreds of years). There are many mythologies about Constantine. Some stories say he murdered his whole family before he converted and was crazy.

My point is The conversion of the Roman Empire is what caused the spread of Abrahamic religions at all. If Constantine wouldnt have converted the empire, we very well might still be living in a widely polytheistic world. Interesting enough the conversion of the Roman Empire happens during "the middle ages" or what we call mideval time, when humanity was seriously at its lowest. Most people couldnt read or write. The roman empire was poverty stricken. Pretty much nothing comes from this time other than the rise of monotheism.

Let me finish by talking about the council of nicea. this council was put together by Constantine. Prior to the council, there was no mass produced bible, no christian holidays, and most importantly, NO LUCIFER (duality of gods, one completely evil the other completely good). There was only the old testament, what the jewish people read.

during the council, who was made up of whoever constantine believed was the "best" religious leaders, they picked what books go into your bible. They burned the rest. So much history of these Abrahamic religions was lost. (more were unearthed in the Dead Sea Scrolls finding, google it). They also changed all pagan holidays, designed to worship nature, & the sun into Christian holidays. Research the simularities in Yule, the norse winter holiday, and Christmas. Actually every aspect of Christmas is pagan right down to the tree and the ornaments and the star on top. So is every other holiday.

this council is where you get the image of LUCiFER from, because this is when they created the first finished old and new testament bible. Remember, they picked what went into the bible and burned whatever else was controversial or not what they believed. Satan is usually thought of with horns, which was essencially many gods in pagan religions and if you go farther than that, to caveman times, comes from the worship of ANIMALS (aka nature), for food. Esencially when you check out cave man paintings they are littered with all images of animals, idols of bullhorned animals, leading us to believe they worshipped them, for survival, for food. So esencially "satan" was created to demonize pagan religions aka nature worship. Christian religions are all essencially pagan or what religious people refer to as satanism.

Then why, do you say, if the Christian leaders basically worship other gods, incorporate pagan beliefs into every aspect of everything (The great flood, the apocolypse story, jesus's birth are all in thousands of cultures... Read the Epic of Gilgamesh, a Sumerian tale written by the first known civilization to have writing, thousands of years before the council of nicea) but tell the masses to worship one god, or yaweh?

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1) The answer is that it is easier to convert to a new religion if it is like your own. They wanted to better control the massive roman empire with its variety of religious beliefs by making a ONE religion for the country under ONE god. They created Christianity to brainwash people into complying. they used pagan beliefs and symbols incoded in the bible to make psycologically make it easier to convert.

2) My other answer would be that they knew something. They essencially wanted to still worship nature, but put it under a new name and in disguise, but COnDeM the act of worshipping nature. They did it to fool the masses in the future. My belief is that these people did not believe in the new god at all... They still believed in nature worship. They switched up the story and created lucifer as evil to hide this hidden knowledge from the populations to KEEP themselves on top. There is actually strong evidence that alot of free masons attended the council of nicea.

To Conclude........... Lucifer is not entirely evil or good. Neither is Yahweh is. Lucifer in the bible is said to be a trickster god, able to manipulate the masses, etc. All of that sounds like Yaweh to me. yahweh is the ultimate trickster because he manipulated people into believe he was a balevolent alien/god, and Lucifer was the manelivent one, and all things anti christian is satanic. Read up on the nostic people, that christians crucifed, who believed this exact same belief at the same time as Christianity was on its rise. This means that gods are like people with good and bad qualities.

Does it mean because the people on top dont want to share the knowledge that Lucifer is evila nd they are evil? No, they are just selfish. i would argue they are not in tune with thier spirtual side enough, and are too far gone in the physical and mental. They are also people who are born of the Piscean Age, which is characterized with this sort of behavior. Another thing: is everyonew as as educated as them, would they be so special??? Would our capitalist system work?

We are moving into the Age of Aquarious, which is characterized by spiritual awakening, cleansing, etc. I hypothesize that when these children of the Age of Aquarious, who will be much much much more spiritual, reach the top, things will change and the true information of the world that the selfish people are hiding will be released to the public for everyone to know. It is also through demonizing these things through religion that it takes longer for everyone to understand.

So i want to end with that i believe lucifer andt he christian god are just two seperate alien species who disagree on what to do with humans. Yaweh doesnt want humans to develop as much because he thinks well destroy ourselves while Satan wants us to develop as much as we can in the physical to learn. They, like us, have good and bad qualities. Its up to US to decide who we think is the "evil" one. (which is a completely monotheistic idea--in polytheism, people accepted that some gods had bad qualities but still worshipped them, they didnt call them "evil").

Which by now you should have came to the conclusion that it truley doesnt matter which is "evil". What matters is YOU---what YOU do with your life, what YOU do with the knowledge you find. You either use the knowledge for negative things or for positive. (Just as if a mother kills her children and says 'god' told her to do it---or how Hitler got alot of his racial ideas from Blavanskys book, the Secret Doctrine.) Its YOU, who also has good and bad energies in you, who decides what you do with this new age knowledge. Use it to change the world for the better, like I believe the age of aquarious children will, and it certainly cannot be evil. YOU ARE YOUR OWN GOD. WE CREATE THE REALITY WE ALL COLLECTIVELY LIVE IN. Take the new age knowledge public, teach it in schools in all positive ways, and i believe the world would turn much much better.

may seem like ALOT but readddd itttt ^^^^^

a reply to: MarissaLewis

Agree with much of what you say but the we are as Gods bit, from Alexander the Great through Adolf Hitler thats never ended well,Im sorry to inform you we are not the master race

a reply to: khnum

I was unaware conciousness is racial. Could you please elaborate? Honest question.

a reply to: MarissaLewis

Your proving what William Cooper said in the documentary. What you said is exactly what they teach about Lucifer being the good guy. Why do you assume all of that to be true but don't consider the other side? Just because it is fashionable nowadays to say Christianity is wrong? Just look at both sides of the issue with no bias. That's what I did, when I first saw the videos I wasn't a Christian yet. And don't confuse Roman Catholicism with Biblical Christianity, please... It's especially people like you that I would like would watch the documentary. Just see the other side and how it makes sense, what you said is copy-paste of their ideology.
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Clarification: by "people like you" I wasn't meaning to insult you, I was referring to people who believe in the new age.

a reply to: MarissaLewis


..what secret organization are you a member of?
(smells a bit like eastern star)

a reply to: Emma3

Fictional characters. I am more concerned why you would align yourself with a mythological god that by his own example, hates knowledge and wants to keep people in perpetual ignorance. Could you tell us all why said mythology hates knowledge?

Please, lets remain focused on the concept of knowledge only, and that mythological deities malevolent actions against desiring said fruit.

I decline such blatant shunning of knowledge. Thanks. Bring on any knowledge filled age. I care not what religious propaganda calls it. New, old, semi, post religion, etc.

originally posted by: Emma3
a reply to: MarissaLewis

Your proving what William Cooper said in the documentary. What you said is exactly what they teach about Lucifer being the good guy. Why do you assume all of that to be true but don't consider the other side? Just because it is fashionable nowadays to say Christianity is wrong? Just look at both sides of the issue with no bias. That's what I did, when I first saw the videos I wasn't a Christian yet. And don't confuse Roman Catholicism with Biblical Christianity, please... It's especially people like you that I would like would watch the documentary. Just see the other side and how it makes sense, what you said is copy-paste of their ideology.
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Clarification: by "people like you" I wasn't meaning to insult you, I was referring to people who believe in the new age.

Some people do not care about Lucifer being a good guy or not because it is not important at all too their spiritual growth. They have had the energized states where the light/chi/kundalini flow thru their body and do not have to care about religion or faith that much anymore. They have the third eye more or less activated and are no longer so blind as they where and can use the third eye to see where they are and where they should go.

If they where preaching thousands of years ago they would probably have created new religions that humanity could misinterpret to become dogma and sometimes more in the way for some people reaching energized states than if there was no indoctrination thru culture.

But I will give you a little information what you can find if you do not care to follow one religion view and look at them all as a work in progress all containing some spiritual truth.

Jesus preached that you should treat all others like yourself and see Jesus in every other soul. (If you do not agree with this I would recommend you to read Matthew 25:31-46 Sheep and Goats and really think about what Jesus is really saying about how he sees himself). For those who understand the concept non duality above is perfect example of someone teaching non duality. The ONEness of everything that is preached under other names in Buddhism and Hinduism and Sikhism.

In Judaism Yĕhovah is defines as below.

Jehovah = "the existing One"
the proper name of the one true God
unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136

www.blueletterbible.org...

Is it not amazing that ONE appear again as the description of God.

Rumi Say I Am You (Sufi (Islam mystic) poet)


In the end all road for someone who choose to be a sheep leads home. The "sheep herder of all" do not allow sheep to be lost just because the way home is not paved with good directions.

originally posted by: Emma3
The first video is about how biblical prophecy is 100% accurate, not like Nostradamus, Edgar Cayce and others. Around 30 mins to 50 mins, it explains the prophecy of Daniel and the historical events it was talking about and that God Himself said He shows He's God through prophecy. It continues to explain the persecutions of the Jews and that those were predicted in the Bible. It then shows quotes from people in powerful positions talking about the new world order, and how some of them even use biblical terminology, such as "birthpangs". It connects the new world order to secret societies and political movements.

The bolded parts just discredited your whole post. The bible ISN'T 100% accurate with its prophecies, and many of the ones it IS accurate with were written after the events happened.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

The bolded part is Christian propaganda. I heard and used the same claim for years. This forum helped me see the light, even if delayed. I eventually came around.

The Failed Prophesy of Tyre was enough to make me research said claim. I left behind my bias and embraced objectively. Nebbie, as I like to call him failed to destroy it and Tyre is very much still around. A simple Google search has plenty of pictures to observe.

Deuteronomy 18 applies. If a prophet speaks and it does not come to pass, he is a false prophet. This means Ezekiel was a false prophet and should be tossed out of the Bible, per instructions left in the books of Moses. Isaiah was a false prophet too, but the Tyre example is blatantly obvious said claim is untruthful, at best.

a reply to: Not Authorized

Plus, with the way prophecy is worded, you could make it say anything you want it to. Never mind that other events of the day aren't lining up with other prophecies. Bible prophecy mostly boils down to saying "Something will happen in the future". Yes that is 100% correct, but it's useless as a prophecy because it is too vague. If you want some compelling prophecy, then it better be accurate AND detailed. Metaphors and stuff is just a waste of time.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Study it and you'll see that what's claimed by atheist (or others) also has an answer... Read discussions on the matter, not only the refutation that you know you'll agree with. That's what I did.

a reply to: Emma3

I'd rather not. NWO is just a baseless conspiracy mired in bible prophecy. It all starts with the bible, but the bible isn't a true account of history and is FULL of exaggerations and embellishments. I don't trust it in the slightest, therefore I don't trust the NWO conspiracy. I don't care how compelling the rest of the evidence is, when your foundation is loose particle board, it's not worth following. Now that isn't to say that there aren't bad people conspiring with other bad people to make bad things happen, but there isn't some big interconnected plot of evil brining about the Book of Revelations.

I've looked into the NWO conspiracy before, and there is no compelling evidence to say that it is in any way true. Your 7 hours of documentaries (worst form of evidence I can think of to look at on the internet) isn't going to convince me. If you want to convince me, start with proving the bible is true.

PS: One more thing. I'm agnostic, not atheist.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm not here to prove anything, I'm here to share my opinions and share some of the information I think is interesting with people, so they can see it for themselves if they too think it's interesting. That's not your case, if you say you'd rather not know about all the sides of the issue. If you don't want to know about this, that's your call. And I didn't presume you were an atheist, that's why I wrote (or others)...

a reply to: Emma3

You ARE here to prove things. You posted the OP, so obviously you believe it and you obviously want others to believe it too. You even posted 7 hours of documentaries (that really only people who already believe are going to watch, if even they watch them), which is your evidence. So don't give me that crap about posting and letting others discern. Like I've told other NWO conspiracy theorists on these forums, I HAVE looked into this conspiracy and I gave them the same answer I just gave you. It's dumb. Just because I don't want to look at your info, doesn't mean I haven't looked into the conspiracy.

Here's the difference between them and you though. YOU posted this in the Conspiracies in Religion forum, so while those other people I can just dismiss their evidence off hand, with YOU I get to call in question the source material that the whole conspiracy is based off of. The bible. Like I said, if the bible isn't true, then the whole conspiracy falls apart. So prove the bible, THEN maybe we will talk about a bunch of old, rich dudes plotting to end the world (completely counter to everything they've ever done since a paradigm shift such as what is suggested in the OP would be the exact OPPOSITE of what they would desire).

PS: Documentaries really are the worst form of evidence you could ever present. They can be made to say anything and are largely hard to analyze the points they make since they are made at the speed of someone talking as opposed to people reading something at their own pace and being able to stop and source check in the middle of reading.

a reply to: Emma3

Well, the information you shared is one of the Christianities propaganda at best, and direct disinformation at worst.

Given some of us know conclusively that the claim of 100% prophetic accuracy is a blatant lie (see Tyre link above), my mind immediately questions your sources research ability for the subject material objectively. I dare say, could the rest easily also be more lies?

Look, honest. I was bamboozled by Christianity most of my life. I truly thought what was being told to me was truth, and that pastors, or, other men of faith, were rightly preaching "the word of God." In my 20s, I started to study it and prophecy about the end times, near daily. I truly believed in it, and the status of the text. I told everyone about prophecy, the rapture, Jesus, his return, etc, like a good little indoctrinated soldier. For years.

Thanks to the internet, over time it became increasingly clear I was being lied to. Later, with lies mounting up, questions, and scriptural oddities like Tyre I could not explain (and fundamentalist pastors usually focused on history and prophecy instead of explaining quickly skipping over the details in that passage), I finally asked myself why.

I implore you to recognize and realize the bias, and look at the claim objectively. It falls apart rapidly with moderate researching. Once you realize the scam, you find out how much you really did believe. As a side effect, the confidence trick becomes extraordinarily easy to spot.

I found focusing my attention on things like The UN Declaration of Human Rights, a far better and much more productive endeavor. Yes, even spiritually.

That choice, is really up to you.

The NWO (along with politicians) use a lot of the same brainwashing techniques that Religion in general and cults in particular use. Republicans keep telling the faithful that it doesn't have to make sense, that they just have to BELIEVE in their leaders, which is EXACTLY how the Catholic Church tries to teach people about The Bible (just have FAITH, and it's a test of your faith if you question it).

The same is said of politics. You just have to BELIEVE that your leaders will do the right thing, despite every single sign telling you something else. Christians and Republicans have to suspend belief in a reality that they face every single day.

It's the same for the NWO, they know that people are stupid. They have deliberately lowered education standards, have made math, science, and politics "boring" and know that the less Americans learn about their own rights and history, the more they'll be able to get away with.

a reply to: Emma3

What difference do any of your videos make if the majority of churches dont inform their sheep of this esoteric info which they DON'T and they NEVER will since they are right on board with the Aquarian age(new age) thus deception.

Zilch it just remains out there in the ether of the tin foil hat areas of net.
I ve never personally met a Christian that encourages conspiracy ideas in person and in the past been around quite a few (i live in Australia) only in ats territory do i find entities like you!.