Has God exhausted itself (using the human experience) as its main source of self expression

originally posted by: argentus

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The discussion has wandered fairly far from the OP. Please post on topic and not about each other.
thank you

Human nature (it always comes back to the singular/personal experience regarding the nebulus no thing but always promising (there may be an answer here somewhere; you are all missing the point of being) all/any ideas thrashing about and hoping someone out there grasps or understands another's gem of an idea form (might hate or distrust the implication) but will continue to respond. CRAZY FUN. Point taken argentus.

originally posted by: akushla99in response to Veteranhumanbeing

akushla99: I'd be surprised to find that ideational-gravity was not operating in the threads that are devoted to particular topic titles...VHB's shining, sneaky fairylights are attracting the water (having reached its own level) in this direction - tipping the landscape just enough to get up-close and personal...at least there are no arguments over textual references of the One book...instead...plateau-ing out at the 'what if I were God' questions, that should be asked and debated...because the more I can see how I am construed - the less tenuously I grip the experience that I grew towards - destinations or journeys.

WELL; thanks for giving it ALL AWAY in 'an awareness' of what we all are (someone had to do it). I'm creating your trophy as I type. It will look like a Picassos minatour or a Goyas Goatlawyer (no, it will be you as a shining star of supreme conceptualism that actually is of the 'creator god process symbolism (sacred geometry perfect)'. The "what if I were god" should be the supreme contemplation; and where does that realization take me (everything I thought as false; throw away because now I have a reason to reconstruct any ideas of myself; and ARE THE TRUTH AS I KNOW IT). Imagined as true will become or describe your being or experience here in the 3D *mysterious and joyous* (use all sneaky factors to best advantage). How many times have I said to myself; "you CAN OUTSMART this creator god/being".

a reply to: vethumanbeing ME
If I were god; the insignificance of my creation "THE HUMAN" has now bored me; and am thinking of a better creation (within the whorl or the blue marble world would seem to be starting IT all over again); a four hooved creature that has wings; a scaled facsimile that breaths underwater, a winged being that looks like DaVinci's record MAN? As God, I would (you would think) recreate the best idea EVER of myself in the physical. Any suggestions? (please, not a centipede with 100 tiny human feet).

I like your 'take' on God, it's very similar to conjectures I have posited and pondered - to wit:

What if we're all just 'stories' God is telling itself to pass the time thru eternity?


Would it be possible to exhaust the 'plot' potential of every human/sentient being from the beginning of 'sentience' to the end, as such?

originally posted by: lostgirl to Veteranhumanbeing

Lostgirl:
I like your 'take' on God, it's very similar to conjectures I have posited and pondered - to wit:

What if we're all just 'stories' God is telling itself to pass the time thru eternity?

Would it be possible to exhaust the 'plot' potential of every human/sentient being from the beginning of 'sentience' to the end, as such?

I agree with a twist; what if we are the describers of 'god' and without us it simply does not exist. "God" seems to love the soap operas; I'd call it passing its time watching the English, Dutch, French, Spanish Empires take over the spice/rubber/gold/mineral trades, the Romans (rich get richer on the backs of slave ownership). Happy world. Was God having a 'blink" moment and missed these things? I would hope 'god' is more the fabrication of/by humans because if it Allowed all of this negativity to happen I don't trust it as a BEING that has my BEST INTERESTS at heart. Is the PLOT exhausted? I too would like to know the answer to that question; if so the story either ends point blank or reboots itself into another reality. I would like to have the fuzzy thought we are just stories God tells itself to cajole/pet, I don't want to know the reality; we express it PERIOD and without us (our perspective does not exist).

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Think of it like waves in the ocean, they rise and fall individually but as a whole the ocean is always there and always has been (metaphorically). We are the waves, God is the ocean. While every wave is unique in its own right, fundamentally they are all composed of the same "material", which is the ocean (God).

When us (the wave) touches the shore we change and feel the sand (universe) around us. We are transformed (dissipated energy) from water into the greater universe (the sand/the sky). Some small part of the water (that formed our wave) touches the sand. It lies connected to the sand for a while dreaming in the sun. Another wave comes along and grabs us back into the Ocean; and we are back swimming in the God/Okeanos

Why cant I remember my other lives?


www.theoi.com...

Okeanos neither participated in the castration of Ouranos nor joined the battle against the younger Olympian gods. He was probably identical to Ophion, an elder Titan in the Orphic myths who ruled heaven briefly before being wrestled and cast into the Ocean stream by Kronos.

KRONOS (or Cronus) was the Titan god of time and the ages, especially time where regarded as destructive and all-devouring

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Why cant I remember my other lives?

god/creator are your listening. Surely as I am part of you (you experience through me - this world) you would know that I would sooner or later ask this question. Why was I born into this time (i know time is a human construct), a time where I saw the Wizard of Oz; you had to go and spoil it for me...showing me you are only a man behind the curtain. Why did I have to watch the Matrix; where Neo wakes up trapped in a cocoon/egg attached to the Machine

Why are you giving me hints that you are the Deimurge.
Can the higher self/connection-God be fooled by the deimurge.

why the Qliphoth,
how do I rip open the oz curtain (the veil of Ain Soph Aur) to touch, to taste Ain Soph

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

Why cant I remember my other lives?

god/creator are your listening. Surely as I am part of you (you experience through me - this world) you would know that I would sooner or later ask this question. Why was I born into this time (i know time is a human construct), a time where I saw the Wizard of Oz; you had to go and spoil it for me...showing me you are only a man behind the curtain. Why did I have to watch the Matrix; where Neo wakes up trapped in a cocoon/egg attached to the Machine

Why are you giving me hints that you are the Deimurge.
Can the higher self/connection-God be fooled by the deimurge.

why the Qliphoth,
how do I rip open the oz curtain (the veil of Ain Soph Aur) to touch, to taste Ain Soph

NO. As a concept ONLY: the Deimurge is your 'self doubt'. It is very powerful because is it born of you as a sneaky backdoor self defeating ideaform (do not contemplate it as to do so gives it plasticity/power/a foothold in your consciousness). You ask heart wrenching questions; but at least there is material out there to explain certain truths "The Matrix" is excellent. "Wizard of Oz/God"; "The Truman Show", "Dogma", "District 9" so many others. Popular media incendiary device "Inserts" created by some very wise individuals to wake us up to the truth of our un-reality. I revel in the hints; given some of the time and when recognize; say "Thanks for all the Fish!". (The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy).

a reply to: Chronogoblin

but it is just a reflection of the greater reality that we cannot intuitively break-down and express in the manners we are used to.

but then you say

There are a lot of things in this reality that have to be seen to be believed,

But using your own words why would I believe what I/you just saw. Why the word belief, wouldn't it be more accurate to say...I saw therefore I know?

a reply to: Joecroft

There’s three types of people; the glass is half empty types, the glass is half full types, and the, half a glass of water types…

but ...but ...from the Matrix movie

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.

Neo: What truth?

Spoon boy: There is no spoon.

Neo: There is no spoon?

Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

hence there is no glass - the water (spirit) like Gnosis will flow where it will

all three types of people are one as one contains the other 2 possibilties (unrevealed truth)

I am reminded of the Lotus flower in buddism

"I am in You and You are in me," thereby stating the unity and brotherhood of all beings, as well as their inner divine potential. This is one way of expressing the principle of "As above, so below.

I often times dont make sense even to my(ego)self, then know I'm back on the journey/path...for to question everything is to know(grok) that I'm on a journey finding my way Home.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Is God not the universe; as in created by? I am attempting from my one point perspective (as a limited being) to understand the plan; the creation process. If you are saying the 'Universe' is possibly the actual SUSPECT; creator of God NOW MY EARS ARE PRICKED. Are you saying there is something greater than this universe that created the one we suspect we live within (there is another guy behind the guy behind the curtain)? You speak of a reflection; I call US that exact definition. I think we can understand this problem of non-disclosure; but most do not think it is relevant or the number one priority; (and why not? too busy with the day to day distractions of attempting to make ourselves more comfortable/paying the mortgage/rent making sure there is food on the table). I don't want to accept there is a boundary line set regarding the pursuit of 'enlightenment'. I see the bible as a handsome tool to thwart any other endevours "here is the good news folks (new testament) you now have all of the answers" look no further. I agree, there are some things in this existence (yet to be revealed) that will be seen and believed. Nice post Chronogoblin.

quoted in full !
Well...what...more can I say...My ears have been pricked and stabbed ever since joining ATS and reading your fine questions...what a ride

a reply to: vethumanbeing

NO. As a concept ONLY: the Deimurge is your 'self doubt'. It is very powerful because is it born of you as a sneaky backdoor self defeating ideaform

Hi Vet
Thanks for the quick response, I only found this thread today and hoped someone would be listening still.


"born of you as a sneaky backdoor self defeating ideaform"
If we are god as in "god experiencing itself in these 3d worlds" would it serve a purpose in creating "novelty" for god finding its way home/unity, or perhaps

deiumurge=random algorithm who purpose it the alleviate the boredom factor for god?

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

The trickster card of the Tarot just popped into my head.
Not as in "the deimurge is the trickster" but the longer I dwell on the thought maybe i'm being called by my "Id" (Freud), to revisit the qabala, or some ceremonial magic.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

VHB:
Is God not the universe; as in created by? I am attempting from my one point perspective (as a limited being) to understand the plan; the creation process. If you are saying the 'Universe' is possibly the actual SUSPECT; creator of God NOW MY EARS ARE PRICKED. Are you saying there is something greater than this universe that created the one we suspect we live within (there is another guy behind the guy behind the curtain)? You speak of a reflection; I call US that exact definition. I think we can understand this problem of non-disclosure; but most do not think it is relevant or the number one priority; (and why not? too busy with the day to day distractions of attempting to make ourselves more comfortable/paying the mortgage/rent making sure there is food on the table). I don't want to accept there is a boundary line set regarding the pursuit of 'enlightenment'. I see the bible as a handsome tool to thwart any other endevours "here is the good news folks (new testament) you now have all of the answers" look no further. I agree, there are some things in this existence (yet to be revealed) that will be seen and believed.

TheConstrukctionofLight": quoted in full !
Well...what...more can I say...My ears have been pricked and stabbed ever since joining ATS and reading your fine questions...what a ride

I am here. Thank you for the salutation.

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: vethumanbeing

VHB:
NO. As a concept ONLY: the Deimurge is your 'self doubt'. It is very powerful because is it born of you as a sneaky backdoor self defeating ideaform

TheConstuKctionofLight]: Hi Vet
Thanks for the quick response, I only found this thread today and hoped someone would be listening still.
"born of you as a sneaky backdoor self defeating ideaform"
If we are god as in "god experiencing itself in these 3d worlds" would it serve a purpose in creating "novelty" for god finding its way home/unity, or perhaps

deiumurge=random algorithm who purpose it the alleviate the boredom factor for god?

I think 'boredom' was a principle causation for 'god' to get off of its rear end and explore its own nature (or potential). That including anything that could circle/return back and describe itself to itself. Novelty is key; when will 'god' become tired of this experiment or what new creation forms will keep itself interested (self masturbating). I see 'god' as a 1s and 0s information gatherer; binary. It collects information and in so doing describes itself (is in fact a self programing entity). You are witness to this everyday the human comes up with a new version of the IPAD (God is not only hinting as to its intention/its trying to reveal itself using the current technology/invented it). Deiumurge? not a factor if you are unafraid NOT IN FEAR as is not an imposed algorithm (in the old days we would call that THING an archetype). Random NO; archetypes are created by too many thinking the same negative thoughtform that have been manipulated to do so. Easy examples benign: Fads: Pet Rocks. Less easy malignant examples: organized religion, faked archeological histories (cover ups to hide historically recorded flub ups). Keeping the human in Ignorance at all costs; sacrificing personal dignity over truth.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

'god' to get off of its rear end and explore its own nature (or potential)

So that excludes the descriptor (i know we cant limit God) of god being omniscient. Phew - now I can keep searching for the elusive ineffable "one"

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

VHB
'god' to get off of its rear end and explore its own nature (or potential)

TheConstruKcionofLight: So that excludes the descriptor (i know we cant limit God) of god being omniscient. Phew - now I can keep searching for the elusive ineffable "one"

If you limit yourself to describing 'god' as any 'thing' or certainty (ITS ALL ON YOU NOW IN LIMITATION); you immediately handicap yourself to all other potential descriptions (your subconscious has road blocked 'gods' ability to say back to you "No this is not so"). The 'illusive ineffable one' is of/has the nature/equivalent/emotional maturity of a bratty 9 year old human (don't give credit when undeserved).

a reply to: vethumanbeing

emotional maturity of a bratty 9 year old human

Having had 2 children, I have seen how we can learn even from a 9 year old.

I get you saying " 'gods' ability to say back to you "No this is not so" " How many more layers of the onion must one peel. Finding god/god-within by marking off what "it is not" can be oh so "epistemological"

Do I go back to a childs game eg "god if I'm getting closer make my left foot trip sometime in the next 24 hours."
But seeing how thoughts manifest anyway it would be no real proof that I'm getting closer to "Truth" as I have thought formed me tripping and will manifest my desire.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

Random NO; archetypes are created by too many thinking the same negative thoughtform that have been manipulated to do so.

what has been manipulated...the archetype receptive to that thoughtform or the "too many people"

I do subscribe that all pantheons/flavour of god exist whether zeus helios jehova. The more that worship one particular flavour, that flavour god seems to grow in power.

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight


from Wikipedia

Qliphoth

In Jewish Kabbalistic cosmology, the Kelipot are metaphorical "shells" surrounding holiness. They are spiritual obstacles receiving their existence from God only in an external, rather than internal manner. Divinity in Judaism connotes revelation of God's true unity, while the shells conceal holiness, as a peel conceals the fruit within. They are therefore synonymous with idolatry, the root of impurity through ascribing false dualism in the Divine, and with the Sitra Achra (סטרא אחרא "Other Side"), the perceived realm opposite to holiness. They emerge in the descending Seder hishtalshelus (Chain of Being) through Tzimtzum (contraction of the Divine Ohr), as part of the purpose of Creation. In this they also have beneficial properties, as peel protects the fruit, restraining the Divine flow from being dissipated. Kabbalah distinguishes between two realms in Kelipot, the completely impure and the intermediate.

Tzimtzum

The Tzimtzum (Hebrew צמצום ṣimṣūm "contraction/constriction/condensation") is a term used in the Lurianic Kabbalah teaching of Isaac Luria, to explain his new doctrine that God began the process of creation by "contracting" his infinite light in order to allow for a "conceptual space" in which finite and seemingly independent realms could exist. This primordial initial contraction, forming a Khalal/Khalal Hapanui ("vacant space", חלל הפנוי) into which new creative light could beam, is denoted by general reference to the Tzimtzum. In contrast to earlier, Medieval Kabbalah, this made the first creative act a concealment/Divine exile rather than unfolding revelation. This dynamic crisis-catharsis in the Divine flow is repeated throughout the Lurianic scheme.
Because the Tzimtzum results in the "empty space" in which spiritual and physical Worlds and ultimately, free will can exist,

I think this is what we wrestle with,