God is a Sun and Shield

How Lovely are Your Dwellings!
…10For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand outside. I would rather stand at the threshold of the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness. 11For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD gives grace and glory; No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly. 12O LORD of hosts, How blessed is the man who trusts in You!
Psalm 84:11

So do you have any ideas on how this could be true? Do you believe that we are supposed to take this literaly or is there some other meaning we are supposed to get from this. This is a question for believers in the word and non believers have already taken their stance on the whole issue being false to them so there is really no need for that claim here unless there is something to add on the unbelievers side that i have missed.



My take is that we live inside the sun and are protected from outsiders coming in by the immense heat that is put off from the sun. God is the one we are standing on and he also has a living representation of himself called the living God or the son. Of coarse in my thoughts there has to be some sort of computer somewhere putting all this together. We are the body of christ.

a reply to: deadeyedick
Metaphorical meanings are easy enough to find.
Metaphor is a normal feature of human language, Biblical or otherwise.
The dwelling-place of God- being in God's company.
He is a shield- he protects.
He is a sun- he gives "light", that is knowledge and understanding and hope, as against the "darkness" of despair.
There's no reason why metaphor should be a problem.

error!

Apologies, accidentally wandered in to the wrong forum. Hey, it's Saturday night, right? Ahem...

/exits thread left apologising profusely

a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

If anyone is remotely following me then i suggest they take a good look at lsd's avatar because a picture is worth a thousand words.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Sometimes i believe that we do not view meta4's the same as we used too.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
How Lovely are Your Dwellings!
…10For a day in Your courts is better than a thousand outside. I would rather stand at the threshold of the house of my God Than dwell in the tents of wickedness. 11For the LORD God is a sun and shield; The LORD gives grace and glory; No good thing does He withhold from those who walk uprightly. 12O LORD of hosts, How blessed is the man who trusts in You!
Psalm 84:11

So do you have any ideas on how this could be true? Do you believe that we are supposed to take this literaly or is there some other meaning we are supposed to get from this. This is a question for believers in the word and non believers have already taken their stance on the whole issue being false to them so there is really no need for that claim here unless there is something to add on the unbelievers side that i have missed.

My take is that we live inside the sun and are protected from outsiders coming in by the immense heat that is put off from the sun. God is the one we are standing on and he also has a living representation of himself called the living God or the son. Of coarse in my thoughts there has to be some sort of computer somewhere putting all this together. We are the body of christ.

Literally?

The Psalms are songs and for the most very spiritual, God is Spirit, so to take them just literally seems a bit of a stretch in my opinion
Literally or otherwise, we can see God as the Sun providing us with light and heat, both very important for those on a journey.
The shield represents shelter when things are not so good in our lives, be it an umbrella to ward of bitter weather or a tool of defence when our lives are under oppression from others.

I say GOD is everything and everyone and some are starting to understand just a bit how that could be. Belive me i get the literal translations of it and have been protected through grace my whole life but there is so much more to the story.

I think that too many times metaphors are used as a way to explain things that are beyond comprehension.

Risto Santala develops this thought even further. He observes that the Aramaic word for "light" is the word "nehorah." and that it is "one of the secret names of the Messiah." The evidence he cites from the rabbis is that both Daniel and Isaiah use "light" in connection with the Messiah. Santala notes that the rabbis use Isaiah 60:1–3 in reference to the Messiah. Here Messiah is seen as "a light to the Gentiles." Thus, Santala refers to the Midrash as it comments on the words of Daniel chapter 2: "And Nehorah dwells with him." This is the Messiah King, for it is written: "Arise, shine, for your light has come." (Isaiah 60:1)

The Spectrum of Light

THE MAIN LOGIC OF THE MESSIANIC MOTIVE in Jewish literature is based on the story of creation. When "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters", according to the rabbis, it was "the Spirit of the Messiah, as it is written in Isaiah; and the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him". And when God "saw the light, that it was good", it was "the light of the Messiah", as it is written in Psalm 36:9, "in thy light shall we see light". The Aramaic name, "Nehorah", "the light", which is a cryptic name for the Messiah, is taken from Daniel 2:22, because "he reveals deep and hidden things, he knows what lies in darkness, and LIGHT dwells with him". It also fits the prophecy of Isaiah that the Messiah is "the light of the Gentiles" (42:6 and 60:3). Mankind lost the true light in the Fall and God gives it back by the Messiah.

How can we be convinced that Jesus is the Messiah?

In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines

So we sailed up to the sun
Till we found the sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine

And our friends are all on board
Many more of them live next door
And the band begins to play

[Full speed ahead, Mr. Parker, full speed ahead!
Full speed over here, sir!
Action station! Action station!
Aye, aye, sir, fire!
Heaven! Heaven!]

As we live a life of ease (A life of ease)
Everyone of us (Everyone of us) has all we need (Has all we need)
Sky of blue (Sky of blue) and sea of green (Sea of green)
In our yellow (In our yellow) submarine (Submarine, ha, ha)

a reply to: Murgatroid

Well said about being beyond comprehension. I believe that when we sometimes get a glimpse at what we can't comprehend it starts to feel like those times when you have a word on the tip of your tounge. It is a wierd feeling because although you do not have the word at the time you do have all the feelings and thoughts that were givin when the word comes to you. Simply undescribable so we all are just taking pot shots at what is on the tip of our tounge. I mean we know he created everything and all is under his domain but beyond that we have a ways to go to satisfy that tip of the tounge feeling. It is literly right in front of our faces.

It is my belief that what the avatar with the pyramid and the light is describing is that the sun would be the pyramid and what we view as the planets are living representations of the planets in our solar system. Notice that the light is single before it is refracted out by passing through the pyramid. That would mean to me that all the planets are inside the sun like one of those russian dolls that just keep getting smaller. I bet if you super imposed the first four planets by size then the atmospheres of each would form a picture that would even be understood by our current knowledge of science. The planets could even be a representation of the chackras that many are so interested in with the mascline being from mars and the feminine being from venus.

Interesting theme. The sun is light ( light is knowledge ). Is a shield because when you have knowledge you know how to react and what to do ( in case you encounter an ignorant ). About the avatar yes is fairly resemble what will be or is supposed to be. Hermes says that God is undivisable, He is the ALL. Since He is the All and cannot be divided, what are we supposed to be? We are His thought. We are a product of His imagination. That's why we were created like Him, because we can think, we create through our thought.

originally posted by: Abednego
That's why we were created like Him, because we can think, we create through our thought.

Have you seen Dr. Eby's NDE?

According to what he experienced, this is exactly how things happen in Heaven...

I believe this is confirmed by Rebecca Springer's NDE as well in a post here.

It was explained this way when he arrived in Heaven:

My Word immediately performs My Will. It is Truth! To create, I think, and it is done.

And whenever I wanted to walk, my mind simply said walk, and I was walking. Whenever I wanted to bend, I thought bend and I was bending. It's instantaneous reaction to the thought. And the speed of the brain in Heaven in that spirit body is the speed of God's mind. And the speed of God's mind is millions of times the speed of light.

While I'm thinking I get the answers instantly, before I can pose the problem I've got the answer. And I said what are you showing me about the mind Jesus. He said, 'Son I'm showing you how I created things. All I had to do was think them and there they are.' The thought is the act, the thought is the fact. And He said, 'I did not need evolution.'

www.heaven-speaks.com...

Excitedly I stopped to pick some flowers, and found them already in my hand. They too were "playing" the tune.

　　The thought is the act？

　　This bouquet in my hand made me gasp in wonderment for two reasons: it was so suddenly there in my hand without my having as yet picked it, and it was so exceedingly beautiful！ I had merely thought about a bouquet, and there it was, ready for my inspection.

　　I was now gazing at stamens and pistils and calyces of transparent gold. Lengthwise through them I could see down into their stems. It was my first moment to see an example of heaven’s liquid transparent gold？ Such a thrill to share its beauty！

　　Then I noted the stems which filled my palm！ Soft as velvet, and devoid of moisture, yet so alive！ The pure-white petals, four to each flower, were identical, flawless, and picture-perfect. They seemed to be internally energized since all were emitting light of appropriate color.

　　I blurted out (mind-to-mind): "Jesus, I do not understand. I just decided to pick some flowers. They are already in my hand. I can see transparent golden centers, and their stems are waterless. I also sense that I am speaking with You through a new mind, with which I receive immediate answers！"

　　"My son," came the reply, "you are discovering how My mind works. Here in Paradise I have given you a portion of My MIND with which we communicate. You just discovered one of its properties: a thought in Heaven instantly becomes an act or a fact. DIDN’T YOU READ MY BOOK？ In it I told My children that ‘ye have the Mind of Christ’ when you are in Me. On earth they too seldom use it. Here in Paradise it is the Only Mind. The earthly mind died with the carnal body； it was an enmity to Me！ Flesh and blood can not inherit the Kingdom of God； only a righteous Mind is present in Heaven."

　　Here I speak mind-to-mind in My Heaven-language. My Word immediately performs My Will. It is Truth！ To create, I think, and it is done. Of course, Satan has no power to interfere in this Heaven.

　　"I hung the stars in space to tell of My protection and promises. When I wanted an earthly family to fellowship with Me, I thought of God’s image, and it became a man who would live with life-flowing blood. I thought of animals, fish and birds: there they were, ready to eat the foods which I had carefully prepared for them that day. Even now, when I wish to bless My people, the power of My thought provides and transmits my blessings anywhere I send them.

　　"My Book tells mankind that My thoughts are not as his are: his are vanity and evil and against Me. They come from the mind of unsaved man. There is no power in such thinking. To Me it is an abomination.

　　"Because I am the Righteousness of God, My thoughts are precious and unlimited. Just as this Paradise is far above the earth, so are My thoughts are of peace and of goodwill toward men. My power sheds My love on them！

　　"When I created something new, I did not need evolution！ I AM THE WORD. I am all that My Father needed to form, all that is seen from things not seen！ Satan detests Me and everything I created, so he used a theory intended to blaspheme My power: a lie and deception. He still does. There is no truth in him anyway. He knows better: he was among the first and highest creations, but he fell through his overwhelming pride to an eventual eternity in Hell which was prepared for the punishment of him and his worshippers.

　　"My son, your mind in Paradise works with the power of Mine. I give that very special privilege to all the children of God！"

Dr. Richard Eby dies, visits heaven, and returns with a startling message

Dr. Richard Eby was a professor and obstetrician who fell off a second story balcony in Chicago and hit his head and died instantly and found himself in Paradise. When he came back to a bloodless corpse in the hospital morgue, the athiest Doctor refused to believe he was alive and told him to 'shut up and don't give me any of that #' because he knew that Eby had been taken into the hospital as a totally bloodless dead body.

An Indian Christian mystic (Sadhu Sundar Singh) also used the same Sun terminology as well...

A WICKED MAN PERMITTED TO ENTER HEAVEN

Once in my presence a man of evil life entered at death into the world of spirits. When the angel and saints wished to help him he at once began to curse and revile them, and say, "God is altogether unjust. He has prepared heaven for such flattering slaves as you are, and casts the rest of mankind into hell. Yet you call Him Love!" The angels replied, "God certainly is Love. He created men that they might live forever in happy fellowship with Him, but men, by their own obstinacy, and by abuse of their free will have turned their faces away from Him, and have made hell for themselves. God neither casts any one into hell, nor will He ever do so, but man himself, by being entangled in sin, creates hell for himself. God never created any hell."

Just then the exceedingly sweet voice of one of the high angels was heard from above saying, "God gives permission that this man may be brought into heaven." Eagerly the man stepped forward accompanied by two angels, but when they reached the door of heaven, and saw the holy and light-enveloped place and the glorious and blessed inhabitants that dwell there, he began to feel uneasy. The angels said to him, "see how beautiful a world is this! Go a little farther, and look at the dear Lord sitting on His throne." From the door he looked, and then as the light of the Sun of Righteousness revealed to him the impurity of his sin-defiled life, he started back in an agony of self-loathing, and fled, with such precipitancy, that he did not even stop in the intermediate state of the world of spirits, but like a stone he passed through it, and cast himself headlong into the bottomless pit.

Then the sweet and ravishing voice of the Lord was heard saying, "Look, My dear children, none is forbidden to come here, and no one forbade this man, nor has any one asked him to leave. It was his own impure life that forced him to flee from this holy place, for, 'Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God' (John 3:3).

The Visions of Sadhu Sundar Singh

Sundar Singh was born in 1889 into a wealthy Sikh family in Rampur, India. At the age of 14, on the night before a planned suicide, he cried out to God to show himself. Jesus appeared to Sundar in a vision saying, “I died for you. I am the Savior of the world.” This encounter was so powerful, that Sundar dedicated his life to following Jesus and sharing the Gospel. Sadhu Sundar Singh

originally posted by: deadeyedick
In the town where I was born
Lived a man who sailed to sea
And he told us of his life
In the land of submarines

So we sailed up to the sun
Till we found the sea of green
And we lived beneath the waves
In our yellow submarine

And our friends are all on board
Many more of them live next door
And the band begins to play

[Full speed ahead, Mr. Parker, full speed ahead!
Full speed over here, sir!
Action station! Action station!
Aye, aye, sir, fire!
Heaven! Heaven!]

As we live a life of ease (A life of ease)
Everyone of us (Everyone of us) has all we need (Has all we need)
Sky of blue (Sky of blue) and sea of green (Sea of green)
In our yellow (In our yellow) submarine (Submarine, ha, ha)

Your first mistake was believing the Beatles as telling you something literal when even the Beatles used metaphor. John Lennon also told you to imagine there's no heaven and there's no hell.

Why do you believe the drug induced quasi-Hindu Beatles are telling you anything? Charles Manson believed the Beatles were also the four horsemen were the Beatles. I just don't get this Beatles fascination with people.

If a singer tells you his own personal belief that he thinks there's no heaven or hell, then how can he be telling you about a God he doesn't believe in anyway, then think his lyrics have spiritual meaning, when he doesn't even believe the spiritual meaning himself?

There is also another verse from Psalm, oh wait, the very first verse of the book, "Blessed is the man that does NOT stand in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of the unrighteous, nor sits in the seat of the scornful". The fact that you do stand in the counsel of John Lennon to uphold his drug fueled, anti-religion lyrics, means that you are doing the same thing Charles Manson did.

Remind us again how many murdered people there are because a crazy man used the Beatles also as a new religion? The song Yellow Submarine is definitely a metaphor, but guess what it is a metaphor about. Not about God, not about the Sun, not about the sea, it is about the one thing the Beatles were really interested in at the time they sang it....drugs and some form of Hinduism from Yogi Maharishi Mahesh. He introduced the Beatles to transcendental meditation.

So the Beatles are encouraging you to reach a God they didn't even believe in, through drugs AND transcendental meditation, how then are you capable of finding literal meaning in Yellow Submarine?

a reply to: WarminIndy
Your first mistake was interputing the reason i put up the lyrics in the first place. Please go back and show me how i said anything about the lyrics or the beatles. You have assumed my intentions and interputations.

Here is some news for you. Every thing that goes into the body changes the body. You seem to adhere to some list of things that someone deemed bad for you while more than likely you have another list of things you accept into your body that effect you just as much as the ones from your naughty list. The truth is that you are being extremely judgemental while being onesighted.

That tea and coffe you may drink has the same implications as everything else we call food. The list goes on and on. I bet you take a few doctor prescribed pills too. There is no difference. The difference for all of us is our state of mind when we entertain these spirits into our body. If your beliefs are true then you will overcome the forighners in your system. However they all come from GOD. There is not a single molocule amoung us that is not from GOD. The trick is to be resolute in your beliefs.

If you will look at the lyrics i posted you may find the story within them and then be able to discern from that. Again the key is to know that GOD is in all unless you believe that someone overcame him and polluted his house.

In the town where I was born (heaven)

Lived a man who sailed to sea (an angel)

And he told us of his life (satan tempting other angels)

In the land of submarines



So we sailed up to the sun ( the fall of 1/3 of the angels we live in a mirror)

Till we found the sea of green (earth)

And we lived beneath the waves (in the light we can't see)

In our yellow submarine (all happening inside the sun)



And our friends are all on board (the fallen)

Many more of them live next door (watchers)

And the band begins to play (the suduction of mankind)



[Full speed ahead, Mr. Parker, full speed ahead!

Full speed over here, sir!

Action station! Action station!

Aye, aye, sir, fire!

Heaven! Heaven!] (this tells of future plans)



As we live a life of ease (A life of ease)

Everyone of us (Everyone of us) has all we need (Has all we need)

Sky of blue (Sky of blue) and sea of green (Sea of green)

In our yellow (In our yellow) submarine (Submarine, ha, ha)


The reason i posted this is too show the nature of what may be the reality we are expierencing. We all know how the story goes and how it ends. There will be no changes to the word but i just like to understand or at least try to know how it is happening. Seems as though the last verse is just false hope for the fallen. I was hoping someone would see the connections but we get too hung up on fear and resentment to see what is in front of us.

a reply to: deadeyedick

You still quoted the lyrics to the Beatles song.

You claim you found a reality in the lyrics, just as Charles Manson found a reality in Helter Skelter. You had to reinterpret the lyrics, thereby changing the intended meaning in the lyrics. THAT is what Charles Manson did as well.

Now go ahead, quote thy lyrics to Imagine. Can you get around "imagine there's no heaven, it's easy if you try"? You are quoting the same people and changing it to suit your worldview. Why don't you make your own lyrics?

Don't tell us about what goes in us doesn't defile us, because it's what comes out of the man that defiles him. You have digested what came out of John Lennon and are promoting his worldview in Yellow Submarine. Your reality or is it John Lennon's reality or Charles Manson's reality...from the same music that you just quoted.

What you are promoting is exactly what Charles Manson did. How then can we take you seriously? Or should we take you so seriously that we need to be suspicious of your motives for doing so?

a reply to: WarminIndy
you should be very suspicious of your own interputations of my words. If i am following you then you are saying that if anyone interput's something then they are manson like individuals. What i presented was left up to the reader to interput because i left it blank and then for you i even gave you one possible interputation to ponder but i don't think you comprehend what i put as the interputation.

I could say by your standards that you are judas like because you betray my words and i could say that you are pure evil because you have your own interputation of the bible that everyone in the world does not agree with. I would be wrong.

Before you go any further with your assumptions and name calling do me a favor and be specific about what you disagree with that i have wrote.

originally posted by: deadeyedick
a reply to: WarminIndy
you should be very suspicious of your own interputations of my words. If i am following you then you are saying that if anyone interput's something then they are manson like individuals. What i presented was left up to the reader to interput because i left it blank and then for you i even gave you one possible interputation to ponder but i don't think you comprehend what i put as the interputation.

I could say by your standards that you are judas like because you betray my words and i could say that you are pure evil because you have your own interputation of the bible that everyone in the world does not agree with. I would be wrong.

Before you go any further with your assumptions and name calling do me a favor and be specific about what you disagree with that i have wrote.

You mean interpretation, not interprutation. Anyway, moving on from that.

What I disagree with is the literal interpretation of a Beatles' song that was metaphor in the first place. And what would make me a Judas? You aren't the Messiah. Then you give a literal interpretation of the Biblical verse by using a Beatles' song. I do not betray your words, I just point them out.

What I want to say is that when you make a literal statement from a metaphor, especially words written by anti-Christian, drug addicted, sometimes Hindu atheists and then try to say they are explaining the Bible verse, that is exactly what Charles Manson did. Do you not see how some of us would not pick up on that and mention it?