Two Ohio schools closed amid Ebola scare

The are going to reopen tomorrow (Friday). I guess the scare is over.

a reply to: damwel

Seriously???!!!! That's just a bit too soon for my liking. I would keep my kids home TIL Monday, at least...I just don't think that's enough time. They need to spend the entire weekend scrubbing every inch of those schools. It would be heartbreaking if or when our children start catching this....

a reply to: snarky412


I didn't mean overload like we were getting to much info, seeing to much, but rather looking and watching the thing develop presents a crap load of good connect the dot conspiracy looking information. Its a field day!

Were is William Bramley on this?

So how is the staff person, who, what, when etc. Did they get a test?

2012 was marked by a bad Korean music video that was played far too much for far too long.
2013 was marked by a useless island monarchy giving birth to an heir, and their names were forgotten faster than you could say "Sod Lady Di's bastard grandson"
2014 will be marked by a virus that received an undeserved amount of media attention which then fizzled out and was forgotten.
Just keep watch of your civil liberties, Americans. Your short-sightedness will present opportunities for the government to abuse you!

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

It was a smart thing to do. And the children that the STUPID nurse exposed to ebola should be taught at home for their watch period.

This story goes to show how much damage just one ignorant and selfish person with Ebola can do. She knew she had a fever and yet she flew anyways. Her alleged phone call to the CDC doesn't get her off the hook on this one. Fever = contagious. Everyone knows that .. and especially a nurse would.

One dumb person with ebola ... look at the mess made.

Imagine dozens of them doing the same thing.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

I completely agree with every thing you wrote. 100%!!!

Whether she was given permission or not (which was beyond stupid on the CDC's part) she should have known, being that she is a medical professional, that flying with a fever was a bad idea. PERIOD!!!

Very stupid and selfish on her part and there should be consequences if she survives.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

One dumb person with ebola ... look at the mess made.

Imagine dozens of them doing the same thing.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Looks like the nurse did the right thing and called CDC before boarding that flight and CDC said it was OK:
US vows vigilance

But hours after the director, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, made that statement, one official said that Ms. Vinson had indeed called the C.D.C. before boarding the plane, but was allowed to fly because she barely had a fever.

a reply to: blargo

In my opinion, she still should not have flown and the CDC should have never given her permission.

She is a medical professional that should have known that even a slight fever means she could be contagious with something. Maybe not even ebola but, something at the very least. On top of that, she had direct contact with Duncan so she shouldn't have taken the risk.

Why take the risk of infecting others with whatever she has...especially considering the air ventilation on airplanes.

It was stupid and selfish on her part and just plain stupid on the CDC's part.

Just my opinion.

a reply to: FlyersFan


Yes, imagine dozens of nurses going to work to do their job. Imagine them following the protocols that were dictated to them, whether they wanted to or not. Imagine them not doing anything nefarious except trying to be the ones on the frontlines trying to prevent an epidemic in this country.

STUPID NURSE???? Is a soldier just a stupid soldier when he gets shot on the battlefield? no hes a frkn hero. She knew she had a fever which is why she called the CDC they told her it was ok to fly. It probably really IS why she came straight home as some have speculated. She didnt know she had Ebola, hell apparently there was no way she could have caught it- according to everyone in charge. She followed protocol and didnt go bathing in his blood, semen, etc. she should be fine! WHy is this her fault? Because we need to blame someone?

How about blaming the arrogant people that have been telling us how hard Ebola is to catch and transmit because clearly thats not the case. Blame the people in charge of the protocols that led to this directly... theres no evidence that she or the other nurse actually broke said protocols. Ignorant and selfish?

Why? Because shes did her job to the best of her abilities- was probably assured multiple times that she wasnt at risk for catching it. So she went about her life? Your opinions are just that, and you are entitled to them. That said, your stance on this whole thing - because i'm sure you are not the only one that feels this way- has shaken and saddened me. Coming from a large family of Nurses and other healthcare professionals, and knowing how "their side" goes on a pretty regular basis I can only imagine how things REALLY "went down" for her. I just dont understand victim blaming, never have.

a reply to: Bigburgh

You need direct contact with the fluids, not just the host.
The fluids shed from the host through sweat and saliva in addition to blood, vomit, etc.
The fluids stay viable on surfaces for hours to days.
All it takes is contact with one teeny tiny invisible virion to infect someone.

The schools did the right thing.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23).

www.msdsonline.com...

originally posted by: MagesticEsoteric
a reply to: blargo

In my opinion, she still should not have flown and the CDC should have never given her permission.

She is a medical professional that should have known that even a slight fever means she could be contagious with something. Maybe not even ebola but, something at the very least. On top of that, she had direct contact with Duncan so she shouldn't have taken the risk.

Why take the risk of infecting others with whatever she has...especially considering the air ventilation on airplanes.

It was stupid and selfish on her part and just plain stupid on the CDC's part.

Just my opinion.

Perhaps the fever was affecting her..
Though she called 3 times..
She forgot the first semester of nursing school..
The first week you are taught how to use "Critical thinking".

Clearly there was a severe lack of "Critical Thinking" on both parties.

Another scenario to consider-

It is my understanding that a man from Liberia just recently moved to a small town called Nebraska City here in Nebraska. He had only been here for 3 days when he decided to have a garage sale and sell most of his things to the locals.

originally posted by: tavi45
This new phenomenon and the long running and clearly impossibly frequent bomb threats shutting down schools added together with the ever increasing police brutality things seem grim. When the economy finally collapses again, so too will society. The United States will become a fascist totalitarian police state. We will make Hitler and his Nazis look like children. If humanity survives (and America doesn't win) then America will be the bogeyman for millennia. Even without all my apocalyptic doom porn it's getting very very hard to be proud to be an American.

Not just an American problem (Ebola).

a reply to: snarky412

I can only imagine, that once the news of the two siblings traveled in the same airplane as the ebola sick nurse, was known, many of the parents were not going to send their children to the school anyway, so to save time and money they probably choose to close the school while the monitoring of the siblings is over.

Better safe than sorry.

I hope the "traveling nurse" now get to see the extension of her stupid actions are to cause, pray that the two children are not sick.

Suffer the littler children in the face of incompetence.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: Bigburgh

You need direct contact with the fluids, not just the host.
The fluids shed from the host through sweat and saliva in addition to blood, vomit, etc.
The fluids stay viable on surfaces for hours to days.
All it takes is contact with one teeny tiny invisible virion to infect someone.

The schools did the right thing.

SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23).

www.msdsonline.com...

That's what I was saying..
Yes you got it?
Once the virus find a suitable environment ( host ) it will either do nothing and be a dormant carrier ..
Or, in the host... thus cause T-cells memory cells and white cells to go to work.
The virus will replicate..
T-cells attack.
Memory will generate heh.. memory for future attack...
White will do the rest...

It's this process everyone is afraid the virus will mutate to become airborne and survive.
We are not here yet..

You are right in knowing that coughing and sneezing still ejects and it's the droplets that also pass to another.
But unless it lands on a host. The virus won't last.

now I have to dig up my notes..
I remember working at a local facility..the room was an isolation room with air pressure needs. It was supposed to suck air out. However at the hospital... the room was nothing more than. A room with a portable ventilation system.. a note and tag over the door and the door was left open..

Proper universal precautions were meek..
Lazy techniques sadly exist...


Back on topic..
Why wait for the government to do something..
When the schools had it in their power to act now.
They did the right thing..

a reply to: FlyersFan
I do not agree with you when you say it was her fault. If she gained permission then that is above her. It would be like duncan asking if he could use the bathroom in the waiting room in the er after he was known to have ebola. My point is that liely they will be faced with more decisions like this one and it is their job to know the right answer even before the question is posed. Silly things like this and nurses not being made to wear full gear that does not leave shoes exposed is what they will have to correct to contain this.

a reply to: marg6043


The stupid careless actions of this nurse here, who should have known better and the lady from the NBC crew that was supposed to be in quarantine but left to go get something to eat, these 2 are prime examples of how their ignorance may cause problems down the road if others follow their way of thinking and ignore warnings to stay put until further notice