Why Ebola is a danger to the Northern Hemisphere - STOP IT NOW!

a reply to: KnightLight

Listen to the episode: www.youtube.com...

Near the 12minute to 16minute zone is when I tuned in just recently, and they are discussing this very seriously;

THE epidemics in the US are LUNG based viral infections. Ebola DIES in sunlight.
Hard to be airborne that way.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk

No one has denied that you can get infected by inhaling aerosols, of course it's going to end up in the lungs, it's being inhaled.

The Brett Russell Source said:
"It also would probably need to change structure to allow infection through the respiratory system"
That's not true.
That's all.

Yes,
to the post above me.

No one here appreciates Mike Adams? Then you all just go back to having malnourishing canned foods the rest of your lives.. maybe Campbell's Soup and canned Chili will help everyone's immune system against Madame Ebola the Virus.. I can't believe people would dislike Mike Adams.. I suppose your immune system deserves as much.. how disheartening, and how foolish..

a reply to: tony9802

I have a very strong immune system. I don't remember being sick. I don't remember what it feels like.
I am also Immune to Fear mongering to Sell a product.
I'm sorry but that guy is meh.

"My sources say.. My sources... There's over 50 studies..."

a reply to: KnightLight

Add UPPER to what he says and it's true, as in upper respiratory system.

I did say I chose that particular source because it layed it out simply, I'm guessing you targeted that specific part of it because you can't address the other facts?

a reply to: KnightLight

He's a farmer and a great researcher, and I'm sure that he would be able to teach you a few things about your immune system..let's all just go back to having our "Nutter Butter " cookies" tonight, tomorrow Ebola might be all over..throw some popcorn in with those while we all watch the movie "Contagion" together!




Do I hear resentment towards Adams...
then maybe you should not listen to the radio episode



Airborne or not it's contagious and lethal..and the argument the both of you are having sounds like a broken record..
let me repost the original thread and title:

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: KnightLight

Add UPPER to what he says and it's true, as in upper respiratory system.

I did say I chose that particular source because it layed it out simply, I'm guessing you targeted that specific part of it because you can't address the other facts?

I have no problem with the other parts of what he is saying. You're not used to talking to me. I'm not just picking a side and attacking. I'm fact checking as I come to things.
What he said was wrong. It jumped out at me.


Check out my post above yours..

You are attacking one of the only people agreeing with you in this thread ya goof.

originally posted by: lakesidepark
I have read many threads and posted my replies to counter the disinformation and lies being pushed upon us by the CDC and NIH, but feel these facts are worthy of their own thread. I believe we are on the precipice of an event unknown in modern history - a pandemic that will establish a deadly pathogen across the globe, an event that will permanently change the world as we know it.

Too many people (including many menbers of this forum) have been deluded by the distortion of facts and the omission of even more important facts about this new strain of Ebola. I will counter the assumptions that, simply because we have an 'advanced' level of medical care, and are not in a tropical climate, and have much better sanitation and burial practices, with some facts that make Ebola as dangerous, and mabe even MORE dangerous, to us in this first-world country located outside the tropical zone.

1) Ebola is a very hardy virus that will thrive in a cooler climate, and will contaminate surfaces. We are being comforted by the CDC assurances that Ebola will not remain active for more than a few hours or maybe days, as it will die, especially outside in the sunlight. This is true - when tropical temperatures are also at play. What happens with Ebola when left on a surface at lower temperatures? It survives longer - days, weeks, MONTHS. It can survive indefinitely below freezing.
For reference, I will use Public Health Canada pathogen data sheet, found at this link:

Pathogen Safety Data Sheet - Public Health Canada

Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C).... Ebolavirus dried onto glass, polymeric silicone rubber, or painted aluminum alloy is able to survive in the dark for several hours under ambient conditions (between 20 and 250C and 30–40% relative humidity) (amount of virus reduced to 37% after 15.4 hours), but is less stable than some other viral hemorrhagic fevers (Lassa). When dried in tissue culture media onto glass and stored at 4 °C, Zaire ebolavirus survived for over 50 days.

The NBC camaraman that is in a Nebraska hospital believes he got Ebola by washing his car...

www.truthrevolt.org... man-believes-he-contracted-ebola-while-cleaning-infected-car

If Ebola gets here in the winter months, it will remain on surfaces for a much longer period of time than it does in the high temperatures and higher humidity of the tropics, and that will make tracing contacts and isolating the infected near impossible.

2) Ebola is a ZOONOTIC virus, and will establish reservoirs in our animal populations. This should be obvious, as we have bats and rats and mice, and we have other animals, like dogs, cats, pigs, and possibly other mammals, that will eventually contract Ebola and pass it thru those populations, establishing it as a native disease that will be with us forever.
From the same source as above:

Serological evidence of immunity markers to ebolavirus in serum collected from domesticated dogs suggests asymptomatic infection is plausible, likely following exposure to infected humans or animal carrion Footnote 32 Footnote 33. The Ebolavirus genome was discovered in two species of rodents and one species of shrew living in forest border areas, raising the possibility that these animals may be intermediary hosts Footnote 34. Experimental studies of the virus have been done using mouse, pig, guinea pig, and hamster models, suggesting wild-type ebolavirus has limited pathogenicity in these models.

For those that want more information on the studies done in animal populations, a good PDF link can be found here:

Dead or alive: Animal sampling during Ebola hemorrhagic fever outbreaks in humans

When Ebola spreads into our animals, handling meat will become a threat, hunting will become a threat, mice and rats will carry it widely, and even our dogs and cats will be a danger to us.

3) Ebola already has some airborne properties. And the CDC and Public Health Canada know it.

The CDC and the UN are forced to admit that Ebola is airborne

This article addresses both - that it is airborne, and that the health agencies telling us it is NOT are lying. This is the former CDC site with recommendations for health care workers - it was replaced on August 4th:

Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals

This is the location of another former CDC reference - now being redirected to their new page:

CDC Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever Information Packet

The former page disappeared into the abyss of the web - unless you use the previous link to find it. Their new page has no information about aerosol or airborne, and minimizes the dangers of casual contact. It now sounds as if simple precautions are enough to avoid it.

The CDC wants us to think this is like HIV ("Baghdad Bob" Tom Freidan is even saying as much), but it is NOT. It is MUCH EASIER to catch this virus. The CDC did a wonderful job of dispelling the rumors and falsehoods about HIV, but that was a lot easier - since the correct information was also 'politically correct'. In this case, it is the opposite, and the truth is NOT politically correct - and the CDC is now the liar, not the informer.

Combine airborne (there is still a lot of semantics about this, however, there is a lot of researchers that state this is possible...for layman, 'airborne' and 'aersolized' is one in the same), with contaminated surfaces, in a cooler climate, in a country that depends on mass public transportation, and people that travel widely on a daily basis, and in concurrence with the regular winter respiratory diseases, with a government that is hiding the true nature of this threat, and we have a unique ability to spread this virus in ways that cannot be done in the hot climates of a backward country.

That is not only reason for concern, that is more than enough reason for us to take drastic measures to contain this epidemic to Africa and snuff it out there, before it gets established HERE - because HERE, we will never get rid of it, until there is only the remaining 30% with established immunity (i.e. the survivors of the mass die-offs).

Doom porn - this is apocylyptic doom porn. We should be protesting the governments of all of U.S. and Europe to stop all NON-essential travel to Africa, and pour our resources into treating it and stopping it THERE, as well as making sure it doesn't get HERE.

Let's see if this discussion moves forward favorably;

a reply to: KnightLight

I got my back up because you did say this..

I would have to question anything else they are saying on your link as well.

Anyway, please accept my apologies.

originally posted by: tony9802
a reply to: KnightLight

He's a farmer and a great researcher, and I'm sure that he would be able to teach you a few things about your immune system..let's all just go back to having our "Nutter Butter " cookies" tonight, tomorrow Ebola might be all over..throw some popcorn in with those while we all watch the movie "Contagion" together!

haha. You don't know me, or what I know. I don't eat sugar, or corn really.

Do I hear resentment towards Adams...
then maybe you should not listen to the radio episode
Airborne or not it's contagious and lethal..

Indeeed.

originally posted by: AlphaHawk
a reply to: KnightLight

I got my back up because you did say this..

Anyway, please accept my apologies.

Oh ok. Well I meant question. I researched that part as well. I questioned it. Came back in good standing.
We're good.

Many medical sources have cited the seemingly purposeful confusing semantic difference between airborne, aerosolized, and other air or breathing related ways of transmitting illness, and it appears that the CDC is being knowingly obtuse (as are several posters here).

Let's agree on this: Ebola became airborne the first time it got on a plane in the body of a host infectee..

The reason it has never been a western problem before is because of small outbreaks, in small villages, miles from any population center. It burned out due to lack of victims and the inability of the sick to travel far.

Ebola is now, as we speak, walking, running, driving, ferrying, bussing, trucking, boating and flying out of Africa; it was bad enough when monkeys from Madagascar were brought to Reston Virginia as lab specimens loaded with the virus (which extremely luckily was not lethal to humans or it would have been a nightmare); but now the human-lethal strain is actively disseminated by people who should know better, and DO know better. Their excuse that we couldn't send aid to Africa if we closed the borders to outgoing traffic is insanity from any angle.

If Ebola were hard to acquire, it wouldn't need Biocontainment Level IV space suits, negative pressure setups and triple glove protection, with only the MOST skilled, aware and steady handed personnel involved in its work. Read 'The Hot Zone' ....

Whether the old Ebola is the same as the New Ebola remains to be seen; this disease isn't acting the same.

And oh, by the way? Wanna know how utterly inept the military will be handling this? Again, read 'The Hot Zone'; when they had decided to go into the monkey lab house and euthanize the approximately 500 dead, dying and frantic animals in the building, for some inexplicable reason they decided to send in crews to kill the animals individually by first cornering them in their cages, administering a huge dose of tranquilizers, and then administering a big enough dose of Ketamine to kill them (IIRC); this was very dangerous because of the strength and large canine teeth of the animals, and one actually got out of the cage and was running loose in the building for hours before he was caught. There were several other close calls in this harrowing military operation.

At some point in reading this, you wonder how the hell the military didn't have something they could gas the building with to kill all the animals at once, so that the cleanup wasn't quite so dangerous... but leave it up to them to do it wrong and as dangerously as possible... I'm sure we'll see the same level of inept leadership and scared #less 18 years olds over in Africa, 'trying to help.'

a reply to: AlphaHawk

USAMRIID says it can go air borne. They study in biolevel safety 4 labs. Guess they would know. Also they left it out on a counter on purpose in the lab to see how long it took the fluorescent lights to kill it. It took several weeks. I would suggest reading The Hot Zone by Richard Preston. There is a lot of info on Ebola and what it can and can not do.

Demonstrating a virus can be transmitted without direct contact through the air is entirely different from that same virus being able to transmit its self through the air. Ebola is not airborne it simply does not transmit that way.
If everything that could happen under lab conditions was possible in the real world we would have cures for every disease and be flying around the universe at the speed of light.
Hot Zone is a great book written by an engaging author but biological and microbial research it is not. If Ebola were airborne it would be out of control on every continent 6months ago.

a reply to: Dimithae

No, they say it's infectious by aerosol.

That doesn't mean it's airborne.

Ebola is a danger to the Northern Hemisphere because of do-gooders bringing it over here.
A souvenir of the third world to share with us all.

a reply to: alexball

That just makes you sound dumb.. you cant eliminate all risk from life. Some people take risk everyday in their jobs to save people and they should be supported in that not looked on with suspicion. I expect that if youre ever in a burning building youll alert the fire brigade that you are happy the burn to death because you would hate the risk of them inhaling smoke and developing lung cancer down the line and becoming a burden to the health system is one you think is unreasonable and not justifiable... dont ever call police and ambulance or expect military to protect your country because to you no risk should be taken in the pursuit of humanity.

I read this the other day about it surviving in cooler temps like here in Cansda.

originally posted by: D4rcyJones
Demonstrating a virus can be transmitted without direct contact through the air is entirely different from that same virus being able to transmit its self through the air. Ebola is not airborne it simply does not transmit that way.

If everything that could happen under lab conditions was possible in the real world we would have cures for every disease and be flying around the universe at the speed of light.

Hot Zone is a great book written by an engaging author but biological and microbial research it is not. If Ebola were airborne it would be out of control on every continent 6months ago.

These semantics do nothing to dispel the dangers of catching Ebola without direct contact!!

I debated myself whether to add that one to the list (and even whether to use that site commonsenseshow to support any of my allegations). I was afraid the shills would get in here and turn the entire post into a debate over what 'airborne' really means.

But I personally went to the links, and went to a site that arrchived web pages, and proved to myself that the CDC had scrubbed their webpages...prior they ALSO stated the possibilities of airborne contamination were still not provben, but SUSPECTED, and aerosolized contamination was a THREAT. However, I could not figure out how to add links that had embedded links, and it was late...so I went with the post as is.

In the end, I decided to add it, because researchers (with exception of the Reston lab experiment which is still questioned - but still PROVES Ebola infected animals not in contact with other animals and shared only common AIR between them) have never been able to study a large infected group of humans spreading Ebola in cold dry conditions). Cold air is denser, droplets speread further, and if a virus is able to float by itself, is more likely to do so in these conditions as opposed to being present in hot humid air.

So I added it, and as expected, people that are smart with little logic began arguing and presenting research trying to debunk that one bit of information, while ignoring the FACTS presented prior to that. Just as expected.

While the shills continue to IGNORE the bigger picture - the fact it will remain on contact surfaces (another way to get it without direct contact with infected people), the FACT that it will be hardier and therefore spread easier and stay alive much longer in colder climates, and the FACT that it will spread into our animal populations.

And the FACT the CDC is scrubbing their web pages, hiding information, and actually lying to us.

As predicted, the shills came out, ignored all those facts, and continue to lie and hide the real truth of the dangers just like the CDC and NIH and even Obola our brain-dead president.

So now, use this thread to identify the shills that want to lie to us, or are also brain-dead and blind to true facts.