Hakken sentenced to 15 years after bizarre rant in court

WOW, this man really lays it down.

He talks about government funding AlCIADA, people running into the White House and face eating zombies!

Local news

TAMPA (FOX 13) - Sentencing day has come for the Hakkens, the couple that made worldwide headlines when they kidnapped their children and fled from Florida to Cuba.

The judge sentenced Joshua Hakken to 15 years in prison for the crime, but it's what happened before the sentencing that has many talking.

Hakken was given the chance to address the court, and those in the room say he took the opportunity and ran with it.

For over 30 minutes, Hakken went on a rant, accusing the government of conspiracy, warning the court that the end of the world is near and even proclaiming himself a prophet.

Honestly unless I'm missing something which is highly probable I don't think the guy needs 15 years in prison I think he needs help.

I'm sick of our disgraceful judicial process its a masquerade to bring in the big $$.

Police say the Hakkens lost custody of their boys, ages 4 and 2, after authorities found them in a Louisiana hotel room with drugs and weapons.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Bizarre case. I wonder if there were convictions?

15 Years wow they threw the book at that poor guy pure and simple , i have never heard of him till now and i am just reading between the lines , man takes own children and escapes country ,did he hurt anyone while doing this

a reply to: douglas5

Read the link in my above reply to myself.

a reply to: onequestion

I wish there was a transcript of his entire rant.

a reply to: onequestion

Seems a lot of hassle and cost to the state when social workers should have been involved earlier , usual story some people are dying to get in to America and others get arrested for trying to flee

a reply to: onequestion
I'm tempted to beleive the same thing in our brain that makes us religious can backfire and make people insane like this guy. The reason we don't notice is because this man, rather than believing in a traditional sanctioned religion, chooses to believe something not officially sanctioned. A cult leader who believes he's Jesus Christ is also insane. A person who believes this cult leader is Jesus Christ is insane too. But the person who believes in Jesus Christ in the bible? They're religious, not insane. Weird how it works.

I think the reason it works with sanctioned religion is because it goes back hundreds maybe thousands of years. This added history gives it clout. Since these religious faiths have survived so long they also tend to not conflict greatly with society. This means the person who believes them is unlikely to cause too much trouble. Extremist members of some of these religions can pose a probelm which is why extremist religious faith is discouraged and put out like fire.

In effect religion is controlled insanity.

Of course I'm not saying only people in religion or spiritual circles are crazy. I think insanity is much more complex than that.

And whereas many enjoy to attack religious people, I do not. I believe we're all flawed. And I also believe religion might be as much a part of us as our foot or our head. It might be we need some insanity, in all its forms, to survive.

He sounds like a cult leader rather than just a guy who grabbed his children in a custody dispute.

Maybe that's his calling.

a reply to: onequestion

Honestly unless I'm missing something which is highly probable I don't think the guy needs 15 years in prison I think he needs help.

Why?? Because of the fundamentalist religious quackery, doom porn, end is nigh, read between the lines, look at the signs talk?

Have you been reading the religious threads here? If they sent him for help/psychiatric evaluation then they would have to address all the others like him. Remember this is Merika and that talk is borderline normal on a scale.....

Difference between what he was saying and some things I read here is simply motivation to act on it.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: onequestion
I'm tempted to beleive the same thing in our brain that makes us religious can backfire and make people insane like this guy. The reason we don't notice is because this man, rather than believing in a traditional sanctioned religion, chooses to believe something not officially sanctioned. A cult leader who believes he's Jesus Christ is also insane. A person who believes this cult leader is Jesus Christ is insane too. But the person who believes in Jesus Christ in the bible? They're religious, not insane. Weird how it works.

I think the reason it works with sanctioned religion is because it goes back hundreds maybe thousands of years. This added history gives it clout. Since these religious faiths have survived so long they also tend to not conflict greatly with society. This means the person who believes them is unlikely to cause too much trouble. Extremist members of some of these religions can pose a probelm which is why extremist religious faith is discouraged and put out like fire.

In effect religion is controlled insanity.

Of course I'm not saying only people in religion or spiritual circles are crazy. I think insanity is much more complex than that.

And whereas many enjoy to attack religious people, I do not. I believe we're all flawed. And I also believe religion might be as much a part of us as our foot or our head. It might be we need some insanity, in all its forms, to survive.

Ding, Ding, Ding!!!!

What you said, times 1000!!

Religion is societally-sanctioned insanity. All you have to do to test it, is substitute 'santa claus' or 'the easter bunny' or 'bubba' for the words, lord, god, or jesus in anyone's conversation or writings and watch how silly it can get. Someday I'm going to publish my very own 'bibble' with all the words changed, complete with gold on the page edges and everything.

I like to refer people to the Wiki listing of all the gods we've invented over the years. Frankly, there's a lot there that are better in all respects than the christian god; not nearly so insane or violent, and generally speaking not asking much in the way of tithings, offerings or sacrifices; just some chanting and prayers a few times a day, and they seem happy.

And while you may take the high road, I poke and prod religious people every chance I get. Just my little attempt to inject actual rational thought into the public discourse.

a reply to: onequestion

How can you kidnap your own children?

a reply to: crazyewok

Well if the state says you did then you did!

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: onequestion
I'm tempted to beleive the same thing in our brain that makes us religious can backfire and make people insane like this guy. The reason we don't notice is because this man, rather than believing in a traditional sanctioned religion, chooses to believe something not officially sanctioned. A cult leader who believes he's Jesus Christ is also insane. A person who believes this cult leader is Jesus Christ is insane too. But the person who believes in Jesus Christ in the bible? They're religious, not insane. Weird how it works.

I think the reason it works with sanctioned religion is because it goes back hundreds maybe thousands of years. This added history gives it clout. Since these religious faiths have survived so long they also tend to not conflict greatly with society. This means the person who believes them is unlikely to cause too much trouble. Extremist members of some of these religions can pose a probelm which is why extremist religious faith is discouraged and put out like fire.

In effect religion is controlled insanity.

Of course I'm not saying only people in religion or spiritual circles are crazy. I think insanity is much more complex than that.

And whereas many enjoy to attack religious people, I do not. I believe we're all flawed. And I also believe religion might be as much a part of us as our foot or our head. It might be we need some insanity, in all its forms, to survive.

It could be said that it's insanity with a collection plate.

I was planning on Swimming to Canada but now, meh, not worth it eh?

a reply to: onequestion

I'm sorry but anyone who claims to be a legitimate prophet (all-knowing or not) would NOT need to recite claims about himself from a written speech with a (mere-human lol) attorney by his side turning the pages in order for him to complete it.

I'd say he is 1. a lazy prophet for not memorizing his own mission or 2. no prophet at all.

Not to mention that NO PROPHET except Jesus proclaimed/uttered the words "I am' unless followed by likened terms such as 'the living water'. To proclaim 'I AM' in any other statement form is blasphemous.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: onequestion

How can you kidnap your own children?

They lost custody of the kids after being busted on other charges.

a reply to: onequestion

I'm confused. If the feds dropped the charges for whatever happened in Louisiana, then why didn't Florida drop the kidnapping charges as well?

a reply to: Bone75

Gotta keep the for profit prisons full.

The guy is obviously delusional, and 15 years in prison is not going to help him at all. In fact, with the way our prison system works, he will probably be a greater threat to society in general when he comes out. Some people look at the most outlandish acts perpetrated by others and wonder just how such things are possible, or how people could do certain things; yet it must be realized that many of these people do not think in a normal fashion. Most people think differently to a certain extent, but the deviation among sane people is quite small when compared to the deviation between a sane and insane/disturbed person. Considering the sheer amount of chemicals as well as the many components that make up the human brain, slight defects or changes in one spot or another can completely ruin "normal" processing, reasoning, and thinking in general.

So people need to be punished for their crimes, but the way we go about it is not in keeping with what is known through science. And it is also possible that some of these people, rather than having chemical imbalances, have imbalances of the mind in that their learned behaviors and development were not normal, thus the way they have learned to act is not appropriate. Someone may know that something is wrong, or against the law, but if everything they have ever learned drives them to break the law, it is not completely a conscious decision. I believe this because everything we do is driven by chemical actions within the brain, and in that sense free will does not exist. We think we are making our own decisions, but the reactions themselves are occurring before a thought ever enters one's head.

Anyway, society as a whole would benefit from rehabilitating criminals, preferably through psychoanalysis and when necessary through medication. It is not an exact science, but there is plenty of data to back up a number of the medications used in psychological treatments. Something else I wanted to say pertains to the US system of justice in general. I was having a conversation with my grandmother this past evening regarding the justice system, and she pointed out to me that she believes it is quite unfair in that different judges can give different sentences, sentences that have wild swings in either direction, even though the crime is the same. I must agree with her that too much is left up to the discretion of the judge who, being only human, is BOUND to let their personal prejudices get in the way, even if they do not realize this is occurring. One of the whole points of a jury is so a single person cannot decide whether one is innocent or guilty, yet a single individual is allowed to impose a sentence, which is just as important, if not moreso, than being found innocent or guilty.

a reply to: dianashay
How would you like to have been his attorney?
I've got a feeling that after the attorney found out what he was going to do/say...the attorney looked for anything, anyway possible...to keep his mind focused on something-else...so he didn't break out laughing, or crying, or...shouting Hallelujah!
I know that I would have needed some distraction...

ETA: Did you notice the other 'orange-suit' across the room, sitting with their attorney...laughing...?
And - did you notice Mr. Servant of God...take note...of the same? I almost thought I saw - "You have been noted...for my...Wrath" cross both his face and demeanor, when looking their way...
Scary...