UH-OH - Where did I put my mind?

Here's a poser that might prompt you to respond with your own thoughts.

Its fair to say that our minds are extremely invasive. A healthy mind wants to open ever lid, push and pull at every locked door until it opens. In other words mind likes to be everywhere and involved in everything.

How, then, is it possible let alone probable that over billions of years mind has never found a home in any species, imagine millions, except ONE?

I know, you are thinking that animals etc have minds too but not so evolved as our own.

So true, mind is present to a degree in all living creatures. But the gulf that divides humans from beasts is not to be crossed regardless of effects to prove otherwise.

Do you consider yourself on an intellectual level with an ape? Of course you cannot imagine such a thing. If evolutionary theory is true why in Heaven and on Earth would the gulf exist?

There is a gulf that separates Heaven from Earth and a gulf that separates humans from beasts.

Nevertheless there is something to be said for physical evolutionary growth but, you know, in the grand scheme of things its such a minor topic. The things that really matter ascend the mere physical so why do evolutionists (read atheists) keep harping on on the subject unless that is all their minds can grasp? There is a huge door that they don't even attempt to open, in fact they refuse to recognize that it even exists.

This is war talk, I realize, but its about time these things were said.

IMHO.

originally posted by: Shema
evolutionists (read atheists)

Not everyone who understands evolution is an atheist.

I guess people "keep harping" on the subject in attempts to deny ignorance.

If evolutionary theory is true why in Heaven and on Earth would the gulf exist?

Because of evolution.

a reply to: Shema

It's okay to realize that we don't have all the answers and that we will keep looking to find them. I"m perfectly fine with not knowing everything. I can't understand why some people are not.

Understanding evolution and being an atheist are completely separate things and are not dependant upon each other.

originally posted by: Shema
Here's a poser that might prompt you to respond with your own thoughts.

Nah - they where too shallow. But good luck in you're quest to misunderstand science!

a reply to: Shema

Read: Ecclesiastes 3

My thoughts are that man really is no different than animals, unless he has faith. That is, the natural man, in my opinion, is no different than animals. And so the real distinction - your gulf of division - is truly between sons and men and sons of God.

Be honest with yourself: Do they really behave differently than animals? Don't all animals form their body, their language, after their spirits' desire of earthly things - is that not what "evolution" shows us?

originally posted by: Shema
Here's a poser that might prompt you to respond with your own thoughts.

Its fair to say that our minds are extremely invasive. A healthy mind wants to open ever lid, push and pull at every locked door until it opens. In other words mind likes to be everywhere and involved in everything.

Just how did you come to understanding that "our" minds are fairly extremely invasive, but in your world?

How, then, is it possible let alone probable that over billions of years mind has never found a home in any species, imagine millions, except ONE?

Mind is in humans, i think so therefore i am.

I know, you are thinking that animals etc have minds too but not so evolved as our own.

Your pushing forward your own idea of the world to fit your idea.

So true, mind is present to a degree in all living creatures. But the gulf that divides humans from beasts is not to be crossed regardless of effects to prove otherwise.

So true,who uses words like this when trying to explain something? but "you" have decided that "beast" not to be crossed, but why is there a gulf either ways? why should humans be associated with beasts what are you talking about?

Do you consider yourself on an intellectual level with an ape? Of course you cannot imagine such a thing. If evolutionary theory is true why in Heaven and on Earth would the gulf exist?

"what gulf" your talking out this gulf is the holy grail!"

There is a gulf that separates Heaven from Earth and a gulf that separates humans from beasts.

Nevertheless there is something to be said for physical evolutionary growth but, you know, in the grand scheme of things its such a minor topic. The things that really matter ascend the mere physical so why do evolutionists (read atheists) keep harping on on the subject unless that is all their minds can grasp? There is a huge door that they don't even attempt to open, in fact they refuse to recognize that it even exists.

This is war talk, I realize, but its about time these things were said.

IMHO.

a reply to: Shema

How, then, is it possible let alone probable that over billions of years mind has never found a home in any species, imagine millions, except ONE?

I am guessing you are under the impression that the human species is the only species to have a pondering mind??? I wish you had been a bit clearer on the subject because that is what I think you are claiming.

Hominid Species:

Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Orrorin tugenensis
Ardipithecus ramidus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus afarensis
Kenyanthropus platyops
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Australopithecus sediba
Australopithecus aethiopicus
Australopithecus robustus
Australopithecus boisei (was Zinjanthropus boisei)
Homo habilis (H. habilis, "handy man", was so called because of evidence of tools found with its remains. )
Homo georgicus
Homo erectus
Homo ergaster
Homo antecessor
Homo sapiens neanderthalensis
Homo heidelbergensis
Homo floresiensis

Then there is us - Homo sapiens sapiens (modern)

As far as I can tell the main thing that made us special is that our species survived while the others didn't however you should keep in mind that most modern man carries a percentage of neanderthal DNA which means our species cross bread and I have read some articles which postulated that they were our intellectual superiors.

Fish swim, birds fly, humans have advanced brains.

a reply to: Shema

I believe you are also someone who believes they are being persecuted by a person or persons unknown? Link.

Treat this person gently, folks.

originally posted by: Astyanax
a reply to: Shema

I believe you are also someone who believes they are being persecuted by a person or persons unknown? Link.

Treat this person gently, folks.

GROAN...God that is so boorish, Astyanax. As for the rest of the responses I can only come to the conclusion none of you actually came to grips with anything I said. I had hoped it might attract a few responses from more open minds but alas. Not that it matters a damn of course.

a reply to: Shema

Don't get angry when others don't agree, it gives them power over you. Defend your position and your beliefs.

I'm not saying you're right or you're wrong. What I'm saying it you're entitled to your beliefs just like everyone else who has commented here and getting angry won't change anything.

a reply to: U4ea82

Cheers and thanx for making me smile. I guess I was a touch angry but its fleeting. I don't have a position on this really I was trying, vainly I realise now, to stir up an alternate kind of thinking. I like to look at matters from different angles and see where it leads but this is obviously going nowhere and as I said it doesn't matter; 'nothing gained, nothing lost' ,although I hate to close on a cliche.

originally posted by: MarsIsRed

originally posted by: Shema
Here's a poser that might prompt you to respond with your own thoughts.

Nah - they where too shallow. But good luck in you're quest to misunderstand science!

Don't fear, I wouldn't attempt to compete with your huge brain. It must be a handful for you at times like this.

a reply to: Shema

I get it. It's hard to have an opinion on the fringe of what is considered popular or widely accepted as truth. Therein also lies the problem. No matter how you lay out your opinion, there will always be someone who wants you to feel bad for thinking differently....and that sucks, for lack of a better term.

a reply to: U4ea82

Thankfully, scientific evidence does not rest on opinion. Not accepting the overwhelming body of evidence in support of evolution is not a difference of opinion, it's willful ignorance.

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: U4ea82

Thankfully, scientific evidence does not rest on opinion. Not accepting the overwhelming body of evidence in support of evolution is not a difference of opinion, it's willful ignorance.

What a reply, totally irrelevant and baseless in the context, deny the question completely and cast dispersions on the OP, you should read and then write to the question.

A question I find valid and deserving of a reasonable response. I would not expect that from most hereabouts.

a reply to: borntowatch

Lol @ being lectured by borntowatch on the irrelevancy and baselessness of a reply!

I guess maybe I didn't understand your OP like I should have. Evolution isn't an opinion, it's fact, so it's not that someone who understands it can't "grasp" anything else, it's just that if you understand it, you have to consider it in your quest to find more answers. Also, evolution does not disprove or prove how life started, so we can use our imaginations to an extent.

The modern human being today has a highly evolved brain. This "gulf" you're talking about, I am assuming you're talking about the gap between the human brain and the animal brain, but they found the exact point in our evolution when two chromosomes fused, allowing our brains to get bigger. If I'm assuming what you're saying correctly, I would suppose that is bridging this gap you're talking about.

At times, I can have a wild imagination when it comes to how we might have came to be, but I have to go with my understanding of reality. Heck, we could be the result of some science experiment of some pimply teenage boy in his basement. When you get right down to it, does it really matter? I don't think we're ever going to have all the answers, at least not any of us alive today, so have fun with whatever it is you believe.

It's just really maddening when I see comments like in your OP "the evolutionists (read: atheists)" because that's just not true. For all we know, God said "Let there be evolution!"

originally posted by: GetHyped
a reply to: borntowatch

Lol @ being lectured by borntowatch on the irrelevancy and baselessness of a reply!

sad that you dismiss the content to try a game of one upmanship

I am a creationist, get over it, you can also try and address the question if its not to difficult.

You know the question the OP raised, yeah that question.

a reply to: Shema

We developed language and "mind" because we have the physiology for it. We are so constituted, and in such an environment, that things just worked out that way. There are many hypothesises why we developed language.