NASA Project Gemini UFO Sightings - Stunning Astronaut UFO Black Knight Satellite Account

I agree with you.

For the sake of argument let's say that the government does think or have evidence there is something else out there, whether from ancient human astronauts or extraterrestrial. I can understand that initially they wanted to figure out what the heck was going on, the nature of the phenomenon, and so on before notifying the public.

However, what the government nor any power do not have the right to do is over the long term decide for us whether we are able to handle it or not, whether it is "too dangerous of information," whether it will significantly upset society, and whether to disclose. We have the right to know what is going on in our world: philosophically, religiously, scientifically, and politically. And even if it does upset society temporally, it just means the former world view of many humans was false and needed updating, overall positive.

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: nighthawk1954

Great Video didn't know this was out there, You gotta love You Tube sometimes.

Can't help but feel that those men let us down when watching, We have a right to know,just like they do.
I don't think we will ever really know about whats out there until traveling to space become a easier thing then it is know for everyone. As we know it cost too much.

But hey!! Nasa knows best...


SF

originally posted by: deloprator20000

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I agree with you.

For the sake of argument let's say that the government does think or have evidence there is something else out there, whether from ancient human astronauts or extraterrestrial. I can understand that initially they wanted to figure out what the heck was going on, the nature of the phenomenon, and so on before notifying the public.

However, what the government nor any power do not have the right to do is over the long term decide for us whether we are able to handle it or not, whether it is "too dangerous of information," whether it will significantly upset society, and whether to disclose. We have the right to know what is going on in our world: philosophically, religiously, scientifically, and politically. And even if it does upset society temporally, it just means the former world view of many humans was false and needed updating, overall positive.

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: nighthawk1954

Great Video didn't know this was out there, You gotta love You Tube sometimes.

Can't help but feel that those men let us down when watching, We have a right to know,just like they do.
I don't think we will ever really know about whats out there until traveling to space become a easier thing then it is know for everyone. As we know it cost too much.

But hey!! Nasa knows best...

Guys, what would it take to make you consider that what NASA has is what you get, open and complete?

originally posted by: JimOberg

originally posted by: deloprator20000

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
I agree with you.

For the sake of argument let's say that the government does think or have evidence there is something else out there, whether from ancient human astronauts or extraterrestrial. I can understand that initially they wanted to figure out what the heck was going on, the nature of the phenomenon, and so on before notifying the public.

However, what the government nor any power do not have the right to do is over the long term decide for us whether we are able to handle it or not, whether it is "too dangerous of information," whether it will significantly upset society, and whether to disclose. We have the right to know what is going on in our world: philosophically, religiously, scientifically, and politically. And even if it does upset society temporally, it just means the former world view of many humans was false and needed updating, overall positive.

originally posted by: RayVon
a reply to: nighthawk1954

Great Video didn't know this was out there, You gotta love You Tube sometimes.

Can't help but feel that those men let us down when watching, We have a right to know,just like they do.
I don't think we will ever really know about whats out there until traveling to space become a easier thing then it is know for everyone. As we know it cost too much.

But hey!! Nasa knows best...

Guys, what would it take to make you consider that what NASA has is what you get, open and complete?

Do you mean that their stated view of info is as much as they know or think? I mean, that is possible for sure. i was just speaking to a hypothetical situation if the government was hiding something.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: JimOberg
Guys, what would it take to make you consider that what NASA has is what you get, open and complete?

Do you mean that their stated view of info is as much as they know or think? I mean, that is possible for sure. i was just speaking to a hypothetical situation if the government was hiding something.

First, I want to make sure people don't think I'm arguing NASA doesn't overdo it keeping stuff secret, here are two examples in recent years where I blew the coverup of safety issues.

www.thespacereview.com...
www.nbcnews.com...

That's why I'm sorta obsessive about not overwhelming 'stuff out the window' stories with noise and over-interpretations to the point that IMPORTANT sightings get lost.

06/13/2008 - MSNBC.com: Why NASA watches out for true UFOs
www.today.com...

a reply to: JimOberg

an explanation of this

which will never be forth coming

and your blog was very informational

but to say

My experience is that it's hard to tell from transcripts about how much is heard at each end, how much is misunderstood in replies. Transcription rarely expresses pauses, mumbles, and the assumptions in the minds at both ends. For examples of that see the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal pages where crewmen years later have to explain why they said such-and-such and what they really meant.

is just sidestepping the issue

are you trying to say that when Capcom asked if the particles were in addition to the booster and bogey

and they replied

roger

they just wernt understanding the question?

that i find highly doubtful

and it seems that is your reasoning

so why choose to

how much is heard at each end, how much is misunderstood in replies.

over what was said?

could it be because u would have to admit bormans

"Right after we got into orbit we were supposed to "station keep' or fly formation with the booster," Borman says. "We were flying formation and taking photographs and infrared measurements and I started calling it a "bogey,

lie?

and that maybe scares u a little?

originally posted by: Another_Nut
and that maybe scares u a little?

I'm not scared by lies, as I think my track record testifies. I confront and debunk them, often alone.

The cultural consequences of defiant ignorance terrifies me.

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: JimOberg

an explanation of this

which will never be forth coming

and your blog was very informational

Fascinating link, news to me, thanks!

Since you seem to decree you'll never recognize an explanation for it, what exactly would you like me to do?

Thanks for the kind words on my website, did any item there change your mind on anything?

I'm particularly proud of the STS-48 zig zag video solution, what do you think?

a reply to: JimOberg

sorry jim (if i may be so bold as to call you jim) there should have been a wink at the end of my post

i dont really think u are scared, just trying to bring some levity to the conversation

i dont like videos and sts-48 i just never bought into.

i find actual words of the crew and mission control more telling as they tend to be less ambiguous and less open to interpretation

im reading your zigzag solution now just to increase my own knowledge base though

and again i find your whole site fasinating. sorry if u took my last reply as a slight against you, it was late , my bad

originally posted by: Another_Nut
a reply to: JimOberg


and again i find your whole site fasinating. sorry if u took my last reply as a slight against you, it was late , my bad

no harm done, I'm passionate about digging into these stories, try to share the insights I've gotten from 'inside' the program, and am convinced important stuff can be filtered out from the background noise -- and have met many like-minded, open-minded people who have taught me a lot. thanks, all.

originally posted by: rebelv

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
Waiting for Jim...surely...he ought to explain away. It's satelites...the end.

I thought during The Gemini Missions there were
only a small number of man made satellites in orbit,
and none that were in a polar orbit; anyway the point
is, Houston certainly knew the exact position of all
man made satellites at any given moment during the
missions and it just seems to me, and I could be wrong,
Mission Control would have Identified them as known
satellites if that's what they were.

Just my two cents

Rebel 5

you would think...but than again...more often than not...some of the sightings are explained away as "unidentified" satelites. Even the "Black knight" sighting was classified as an unknown satelite at one point. They are usually very sure it is one, by very simple human logic...if it's flying...it's one of ours (whether satelite or debris)...because...there is no "them" in this universe we live in.

Apparently there is so much traffic out there...and all of those satelites running about with no licence plates on them...sometimes we're just not sure which one is it...but we're dead on sure it is one none the less...

a reply to: JimOberg

indeed Jim...if you get time...go through that link and tell us your opinion...if you haven't red that one. Fascinating story. If it could be verified...I'm dying to hear your thought on it.

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: JimOberg

indeed Jim...if you get time...go through that link and tell us your opinion...if you haven't red that one. Fascinating story. If it could be verified...I'm dying to hear your thought on it.

I'm not forgetting it and have started discussions elsewhere, please start a new thread on it and i'll join you there.

Your experience is well and good, but apparently nasa doctors some photographs b4 they release them to the public. Or is that not true?
a reply to: JimOberg

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Your experience is well and good, but apparently nasa doctors some photographs b4 they release them to the public. Or is that not true?
a reply to: JimOberg

I've seen a lot of NASA photos that have been 'doctored', retouched, cropped, etc., usually by publicity projects, media, advertisers, humorists, sometimes by UFO promoters. I've never seen a NASA photograph altered by NASA to hide something or mislead viewers.

ADD: You might enjoy this saga of chasing down real photo deception in space programs.
www.jamesoberg.com...

Another silly moon photo forgery story --
cosmiclog.nbcnews.com...

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly

originally posted by: rebelv

originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
Waiting for Jim...surely...he ought to explain away. It's satelites...the end.

I thought during The Gemini Missions there were
only a small number of man made satellites in orbit,
and none that were in a polar orbit; anyway the point
is, Houston certainly knew the exact position of all
man made satellites at any given moment during the
missions and it just seems to me, and I could be wrong,
Mission Control would have Identified them as known
satellites if that's what they were.

Just my two cents

Rebel 5

you would think...but than again...more often than not...some of the sightings are explained away as "unidentified" satelites. Even the "Black knight" sighting was classified as an unknown satelite at one point. They are usually very sure it is one, by very simple human logic...if it's flying...it's one of ours (whether satelite or debris)...because...there is no "them" in this universe we live in.

Apparently there is so much traffic out there...and all of those satelites running about with no licence plates on them...sometimes we're just not sure which one is it...but we're dead on sure it is one none the less...

You make some excellent points. It was interesting to read you response.

Rebel 5

a reply to: Another_Nut
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eta:a reply to: rebelv

dont be fooled by 782 number the earth is 196.9 million sq miles

or , to put it in perspective, when the Gemini 7 mission was launched there was aprox

1 satellite for every 251,790 sq miles of earth

not exactly bumping into each other huh..."

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Thanks Another_Nut for that. You would think one
would think so, that is what I thought and one would think one would
expect Mission Control to be tracking all known man made satellites
during missions for obvious reasons.

And yet, Houston clearly was asking more questions than
providing answers.

Rebel 5

originally posted by: rebelv,,,,
You would think one
would think so, that is what I thought and one would think one would
expect Mission Control to be tracking all known man made satellites
during missions for obvious reasons.

And yet, Houston clearly was asking more questions than
providing answers.

I really think your guesses would improve with the addition
of greater familiarity with the Gemini-7 rendezvous exercise.

www.jamesoberg.com...

Re the Black Knight myth -- Here are the images and citations that persuade me that the object is a dropped thermal blanket, comments are welcome! www.jamesoberg.com...

a reply to: rebelv

To cross paths, at visual range, with whatever object present in orbit (without prior arrangement ... meaning a lot of maths) is so bizarre (the odds are so low) that the ufo explanation is much better (read ufo as unidentified).
Regards.