First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines....

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

Think you don't have an eternal soul? Now scientists are gathering evidence of consciousness several minutes after clinical death including a documented out-of-body experience showing conscious thought aligning with actual events. Well if you believe in science and the finding s of scientific studies then this should be of interest and consideration....

originally posted by: surrealist

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines....

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

Think you don't have an eternal soul? Now scientists are gathering evidence of consciousness several minutes after clinical death including a documented out-of-body experience showing conscious thought aligning with actual events. Well if you believe in science and the finding s of scientific studies then this should be of interest and consideration....

Uh..he wasn't actually dead. Did you miss that part? Clinically dead is a machine reading. Actually dead is dead.

a reply to: Tangerine

He was unconscious though. Did you miss that part?

a reply to: surrealist
Clinical death may not be the moment of actual death. Acute awareness from the senses 3 minutes after the blood stops flowing is hardly proof of life after death. If he was dead for 3 days then it would be something to wonder about.
Ever be in a dream and have a persistent sound awaken you and even become part of your dream? It is the alarm clock miracle.

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Tangerine

He was unconscious though. Did you miss that part?

No, I didn't miss that part. What does awareness while being unconscious have to do with an "eternal soul" as the OP suggested?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: tavi45
a reply to: Tangerine

He was unconscious though. Did you miss that part?

No, I didn't miss that part. What does awareness while being unconscious have to do with an "eternal soul" and life after death as the OP suggested?

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: surrealist

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines....

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

Think you don't have an eternal soul? Now scientists are gathering evidence of consciousness several minutes after clinical death including a documented out-of-body experience showing conscious thought aligning with actual events. Well if you believe in science and the finding s of scientific studies then this should be of interest and consideration....

Uh..he wasn't actually dead. Did you miss that part? Clinically dead is a machine reading. Actually dead is dead.

Absolutely!

This is the one point that afterlifers conveniently miss.

Death is a return to the state you were before you were born.... nothing.

It's funny how people talk about how the universe ends.... it ends every day and for millions.... when they die!

Korg.

a reply to: Tangerine

I mean the experts studying this thought it was significant out if thousands of reports. I'm no doctor but I'm good with English.

Unconscious. Un is a prefix implying negation of a word. Conscious is a word which means aware of ones surroundings. I assume doctors can tell when someone is unconscious.

I know you can be in a coma and still be aware but I've never heard unconscious used for someone in a coma. Too tired to research. You can do it or maybe someone can pop in who already knows.

Good night, time to be unconscious.

There have been a lot of similar cases over the years, people seeing themselves as their body crashes during an operation. It really spins the medical staff out as they can recall what was said and done as the person has an out of body view of the events.

I know there has been a lot of independent research and study going on in this area for a long time. An in depth study of 2000 cases is a good effort and interesting to see a range of emotions and feelings from those going through a near death experience.

Can anyone explain how not only was the man conscious of the events taking place during his rescusitation, but was observing "from the corner of the room", suggesting he was at some distance from his body?

originally posted by: Korg Trinity

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: surrealist

One man even recalled leaving his body entirely and watching his resuscitation from the corner of the room.

Despite being unconscious and ‘dead’ for three minutes, the 57-year-old social worker from Southampton, recounted the actions of the nursing staff in detail and described the sound of the machines....

“The man described everything that had happened in the room, but importantly, he heard two bleeps from a machine that makes a noise at three minute intervals. So we could time how long the experienced lasted for.

“He seemed very credible and everything that he said had happened to him had actually happened.”

First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study

Think you don't have an eternal soul? Now scientists are gathering evidence of consciousness several minutes after clinical death including a documented out-of-body experience showing conscious thought aligning with actual events. Well if you believe in science and the finding s of scientific studies then this should be of interest and consideration....

Uh..he wasn't actually dead. Did you miss that part? Clinically dead is a machine reading. Actually dead is dead.

Absolutely!

This is the one point that afterlifers conveniently miss.

Death is a return to the state you were before you were born.... nothing.

It's funny how people talk about how the universe ends.... it ends every day and for millions.... when they die!

Korg.

It's unfortunate that the medical community uses the term "clinically dead" because most lay people take that to mean actually dead. Not only that but people will grasp at the thinnest straws and describe them as tree trunks to support their beliefs. I guess that's just human nature.

originally posted by: surrealist
Can anyone explain how not only was the man conscious of the events taking place during his rescusitation, but was observing "from the corner of the room", suggesting he was at some distance from his body?

Out of the body experiences have been known about for a long time. What is not known is the means by which they occur. However, all of the people who have reported these experiences have been ALIVE not dead. The person in the OP's case was ALIVE not dead.

My issue with this study is that it's asking people who have encountered near death experiences.

When it said scientific study, i expected more along the lines of actual physical tests and readings to show energy levels or *something* had transpired at the time of the person's passing showing change in state that was measurable in a way we had not seen before.

Otherwise, this is just a bunch of accounts of people who claim to have had out of body experiences. While i do not doubt them - i think the "scientific study" bit fooled me.

I died once for about 20 minutes.

I went out to the mail box, opened a letter from Ergon our electricity supplier and BAM!!!

It was the bill that came out after the carbon tax came in.

I personally know people who don't believe in the afterlife and have professed to having out-of-body experiences.

Yes he didn't actually die, he was pronounced "clinically dead", I'm just using their scientific terms. So he was alive, can anyone answer my question how he recounted the actual events from the corner of the room at a distance from his body?

Totally believe in scientific studies OP, but Doctor Sam Parnia et al haven't really gathered as much evidence as the media often implies. Quotes from studies Parnia has been involved in:

It has been demonstrated that many cardiac arrest survivors may have cognitive processes during the time of their arrest and anecdotally some have also been able to describe accurately verified events during their arrest, indicating the presence of consciousness.

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The experiences reported from cardiac arrest are clearly not confusional and in fact indicate heightened awareness, attention, thought processes and consciousness at a time when consciousness and memory formation are not expected to occur.

An alternative explanation is that the experiences reported from cardiac arrest, may actually be arising at a time when consciousness is either being lost, or regained, rather than from the actual cardiac arrest period itself.

Source

If the occurrence of NDEs during a cardiac arrest ... appear to continue at a time when the brain is non-functional and clinical criteria of death have been reached, can be proven objectively ... then this will lend some support to this view. Although at present, this remains a mere possibility

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As often is, the media doesn't mind stretching the facts a little to make some green.

a reply to: surrealist

I'm as open minded as the next person but

How is this any different than the thousands or more already described accounts?

OBE

Check

Heard things going on the room

Check

Returned to body

Check

Write a report revealing nothing new

Check

a reply to: surrealist

Research like this has been done for decades e.g. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross, Pim van Lommel (a Dutchman, BTW) and Eben Alexander. Very interesting, some people have been clinically dead for hours and still came back IAIR.

Some observations:

1. regardless if there is or is not a continuation of consciousness after our physical bodies die, the fact that there is consciousness when we don't expect it is fascinating in itself. It needs research simply because the implications: for example what horror it would be if you are anesthetized but conscious! So, investigation of conscious(ness) in extreme situations is of use in all cases;
   
   
2. If, of course, one DEFINES 'death' as a state in which there is no consciousness, no body, nothing - than there is no life in death by DEFINITION. However, see previous point.
   
   
3. Trying to prove anything to dogmatic unbelievers is useless: if you are of the "dead is dead" type, you will inevitably look for alternate explanations for the many paranormal phenomena surrounding death, the afterlife and reincarnation. After all, those that doubt we were on the moon can not be convinced we were there either. So, using this type of investigation to convince the naysayers is useless, they can't be convinced anyway.
   
   
4. Proving this to the believers is not necessary either. If you had a NDE (likewise: if you saw an alien, ghost, UFO..) you most probably assume it to be true. One tends to trust his / her own eyes (not always with reason, but I digress).
   
   
5. apart from other benefits this type of research may help people that are afraid of dying (there are many). It may ease their pass-over later on - even if that is a pass-over into nothingness - reduce fear and axienty during life and so all in all I think its a Good Thing (TM) there is research done and the results seem to indicate life after "death"; even if it were a lie, which we will never find out. After all: either you end and so you won't know, or you do not end and then you WILL know it is NOT a lie
   
   
   
6. The simple fact that people in a NDE see objects, people etc. from a viewpoint that does not correspond to the location of their physical body is interesting in itself. How do they "do" that? How can a guy that is lying flat on his back, probably covered by sheets, "see" and "hear" things that are sometimes hundreds of feet away? This in itself is a good reason to investigate these experiences.
   

I'm open minded so not disputing any claims, but I would like to how they are able to see? As living people we have our eyes, so what are the OBE people using?

a reply to: surrealist

This isn't scientific ...

A man who is unconscious, can still hear, feel and his brain can and will collect this information. And his mind may even be working through the entire time of being unconscious. He may have been in a coma, listened to radio ... heard people talk, heard machines and even been consciously aware of himself during the entire time. His brain may even have created the self-image production inside his memory, to cope with the "body-attachment" of the conscious mind.

This finding says nothing ... beyond what we already knew. The brain is working even after clinical death ... it just lacks motor functions.