Nurse 'infected with Ebola' in Spain

originally posted by: JG1993
Dogs proven to be asymptomatic carriers, Spanish authorities seek permission to euthanize infected's animal

The husband better get ready to fight for this poor dog. Why can't they just quarantine the dog until the time passes to be absolutely sure he can't pass it along?

a reply to: texasgirl

The family refused. Courts gave permission to do it against their will.

There is hard, scientific proof that dogs are asymptomatic carriers. While I can't help but feel bad for the poor animal, this is the right thing to do. I only wish the US would take such precautions with our lives.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

originally posted by: DrHammondStoat
I think it's the patient in the white suit, that's why his eyes are not covered. it could be argued that there's not much point covering his eyes if the two guys carrying him have the full gear on.

a reply to: TruthxIsxInxThexMist

originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
~The guy you mention above is the patient! That's probably why he has no goggles on. There are no 'legs' on him that's how I figured that out.

I think you're both right, good catch! Interesting optical illusion, I thought that was someone helping with the gurney, but looking at it again it appears to be the patient sitting up.

Of course that means the Omaha Fire & Rescue guy is really close and is definitely violating the CDC recommendations by being within 3 feet of the patient without PPE.

a reply to: JG1993

I've posted on this and can verify, I hope no dogs (or rats) in that apartment complex sampled the puddle of vomit (thay sat therr for days) which was produced by Mr. Duncan prior to his ambulance ride.

I hope the nurse pulls through. What an awful thing to happen. Prayers are with her, her family and their dog, too!!

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: ikonoklast

Thank you!

You are so on target here.

It is the lackadaisical way we as treating this extraordinarily dangerous pathogen That will allow it to gain a foot hold in America, with our "best Doctors and public health infrastructure in the world"

You're welcome.

Mark Twain summed it up pretty well: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: JG1993

I've posted on this and can verify, I hope no dogs (or rats) in that apartment complex sampled the puddle of vomit (thay sat therr for days) which was produced by Mr. Duncan prior to his ambulance ride.

Oh my.
You went and did it now!
You posted a 'what if' about ebola vomit.
I was chastised severely by several members when the Dallas case news came out.... because I dared to postulate, 'What if a person stepped in the vomit outside of the apartment complex?'

a reply to: JG1993

It seems the wrong call at this stage unless they know the dog has it for sure because other pet owners might go to extreme lengths to protect animals if they suspect they them selfs have caught it.

Giving the animals to relatives and such.

a reply to: windwaker

still waiting for this timeline,,

Oct. 8th,,

www.abovetopsecret.com...&mem=

or

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: joho99
a reply to: JG1993

It seems the wrong call at this stage unless they know the dog has it for sure because other pet owners might go to extreme lengths to protect animals if they suspect they them selfs have caught it.

Giving the animals to relatives and such.

A horrifying thought indeed.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
What gets me is people are pushing of how theres nothing to worry about because its not "airborn" , repeating the line "its hard to catch"

Well from what I have read (and I could be wrong) Ebola and the common FLU are basically transmitted the same way....

yet we have how many people every year get the flu? You have to come in contact with their body fluids too , to contract the flu....

The difference is the flu doesnt kill 50% of the people it infects......

Ebola can mutate, I believe this is the reason why some people are speculating that ebola could be "something else".
The information that it is "airborne" has been removed. Now, why the hell would you remove such important information if your goal is to "contain" the disease?

Personally I'm leaning more and more towards a total cover up and this be the cause of a total disaster.

If people don't know any better, they simply won't care.

This link may have been posted to one of the other Ebola threads but I don't see it here. BTW, any progress being made on opening a "united" thread. This thing is so big it's getting hard to follow all the different threads and keep track of the excellent postings Connecticut Governor Declares (Precautionary) State of Emergency..

a reply to: texasgirl

Are we approaching "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out yet"?

The husband and a lot of other people are fighting. At this point, one little dog won't make a difference, I'm afraid. Anyway, if there are any cold, hard researchers out there, Excalibur may prove to be our best test case. If he tests positive for antibodies or virus with no symptoms: prima facie- canines can carry.

Want to sign the petition? Don't Sacrifice Excalibur

Fate of Nurs'es Pet Dog Sparks Outcry

Man I got to get back to Salt Mine. Later.

I just read a report which suggests it could be airborne if there are multiple people in the same room!!

www.latimes.com...=1

During the 2001–2002 outbreak in Gabon, we observed that several dogs were highly exposed to Ebola virus by eating infected dead animals. To examine whether these animals became infected with Ebola virus, we sampled 439 dogs and screened them by Ebola virus–specific immunoglobulin (Ig) G assay, antigen detection, and viral polymerase chain reaction amplification. Seven (8.9%) of 79 samples from the 2 main towns, 15 (15.2%) of 14 the 99 samples from Mekambo, and 40 (25.2%) of 159 samples from villages in the Ebola virus–epidemic area had detectable Ebola virus–IgG, compared to only 2 (2%) of 102 samples from France. Among dogs from villages with both infected animal carcasses and human cases, seroprevalence was 31.8%. A significant positive direct association existed between seroprevalence and the distances to the Ebola virus–epidemic area. This study suggests that dogs can be infected by Ebola virus and that the putative infection is asymptomatic.

Ebola Virus Antibody Prevalence in Dogs and Human Risk Author affiliations: *Centre International de Recherches Médicales de Franceville, Franceville, Gabon; †Centre Pasteur du Cameroun, Yaoundé, Cameroun; ‡Institut de Recherche pour le Développement, Paris, France

More:

The prevalence of Ebola virus-reactive IgG among dogs from the villages where humans cases occurred was 27.2%, compared to 22.4% among dogs from villages where no human cases were noted

And here is their conclusion:

Although dogs can be asymptomatically infected, they may excrete infectious viral particles in urine, feces, and saliva for a short period before virus clearance, as observed experimentally in other animals. Given the frequency of contact between humans and domestic dogs, canine Ebola infection must be considered as a potential risk factor for human infection and virus spread.

and...

The virus appears to jump from its natural host to humans only in specific, but unknown, conditions. Seroprevalence rates in dogs might serves as an indicator of Ebola virus in regions in which no animal deaths or human cases have been observed.

So, anyone who wants to attack my 'what if' scenario of dogs samplong the vomitus and then spreading far and wide can eat their own words.

Here is how it happened:

Right wing government brought a religious missionary who contracted ebola back from africa. To ponder to conservative voters. Despite they knew that he would die in a week or two.

Simultaneously, healthcare in spain was heavily damaged by the austerity policies and privatization of the right wing government. Then voila - a nurse contracted ebola from the dying missionary, and went on vacation. She had headaches and whatnot, suspected something, went to hospital. They said you have a fever, and sent her back. After a few days, symptoms got heavier, and she went to a hospital and she INSISTED that they test her for ebola. And so it was found out.

This was the first nurse. Now, just as of the past hour, another nurse from the SAME team as the earlier, went to hospital with symptoms, suspecting ebola.

Morals of this story is, if you want your country to go down in flames, you cant find anything better to vote for, than a right wing/conservative party.

a reply to: unity100

i have absolute no sympathy for the Rajoy government whatsoever but even to suggest that it was a mistake to bring the missionary back just because he was going to "die in a week or two" is pure barbarism.. that man and for that reason everybody else deserves the best care possible, and lets not forget he did put himself voluntarily in danger to treat another human being in need, are we supposed to let him die as far as possible ? and by the way have you seen a contract signed that he was going to die anyways ?

you dont understand.. this is turning into a pandemia there is a cdc report from late september that says up to 1.4 millions will be infected in west africa alone by Jan 15, in the longer scheme of things how ebola reached Spain is irrelevant to what will likely follow

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

The prevalence of Ebola virus-reactive IgG among dogs from the villages where humans cases occurred was 27.2%, compared to 22.4% among dogs from villages where no human cases were noted


The virus appears to jump from its natural host to humans only in specific, but unknown, conditions. Seroprevalence rates in dogs might serves as an indicator of Ebola virus in regions in which no animal deaths or human cases have been observed.

Thanks for the information.

However what I find interesting is according to their own research there is only a small difference 5% basically between village dogs from the infected and the uninfected villages. The fact that dogs show positive for the ebola virus in villages where there is no human cases of ebola I think would lend credence to the fact that you can't get it from a dog or that it would be very hard to do so. Especially since the percentages are so close, if they were drastically far apart it would be more believable that your dog could give it to you.

Rabies vaccine prevents ebola in non-human primates... I wonder since your dog is required to be rabies vac'd if they would not be able to get it or if they would still be a carrier??
www.niaid.nih.gov...




I wonder if this is really just an excuse to kill people's pets. It's not like birds, insects (especially ticks, fleas and mosquitoes since they break the skin and take blood), mice, rats, etc can't get exposed to the virus...

a reply to: jadedANDcynical
And-bacon and cheeseburger , anyone?

Discovery of Swine as a Host for the Reston ebolavirus

Think about all those bats in Austin (no pun, honestly)
Are Bats Spreading Ebola Across Sub-Saharan Africa?

and consider this paper The natural history of Ebola virus in Africa which suggests arthropods as a reservoir. 1968-hmmmm.

"...Although arthropods have never been successfully infected following inoculation [35] and [36], several observations suggest they can transmit Ebola virus to humans. A study done in 1968 showed that Marburg virus could persist for more than 3 weeks in Aedes mosquitoes after experimental inoculation [37]. It is also noteworthy that the Australian patient infected by Marburg virus in 1975 in Zimbabwe had been bitten, 6 days before symptom onset, by an arthropod (a spider, scorpion, ant, or wasp)."

It's heartbreaking the nurses pet must be killed.
This whole story is so tragic.