Woman who publicly "trolled" the McCanns, "Found Dead"

We've all done bad stuff. Whether it's something reasonably innocuous, or downright evil, we've all done something we're not proud of.

Do you know how easy it is to get caught up in a hate train on social media? Where you think you're untouchable because you have the right to Freedom of Speech (you don't, btw), because you're mostly anonymous behind a keyboard...

I can't imagine being confronted on MY DOORSTEP, being asked to answer for some of the things I may have said online, when you think you're safe from being caught and reprimanded.

The UK doesn't take kindly to trolling, whether it's grieving parents, celebrities... You'll end up in front of a judge before long if it's particularly bad.

I believe she thought she had "f*cked up" and knew she was going to have a complete crap storm to deal with, and took the easiest way out.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

To make that kind of comment even half interesting, what do you think the point in killing this person would be? She posted hateful messages but she's hardly the only person on Twitter to do that.

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

To make that kind of comment even half interesting, what do you think the point in killing this person would be? She posted hateful messages but she's hardly the only person on Twitter to do that.

You are really going down a slippery slope if you are going to have a discussion on the reasons why people are killed. People are killed for trivial reasons every day. Being harassed on twitter, and called a child murderer, is not trivial to some people.

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

To make that kind of comment even half interesting, what do you think the point in killing this person would be? She posted hateful messages but she's hardly the only person on Twitter to do that.

You are really going down a slippery slope if you are going to have a discussion on the reasons why people are killed. People are killed for trivial reasons every day. Being harassed on twitter, and called a child murderer, is not trivial to some people.

So, you're answer is you have no theory then? Sheesh, you don't even know what the cause of death actually is but you are more inclined to believe those pesky powers that be had her killed?

a reply to: Believe_nothing

For us not in the UK (def not in the news here), what did she say? I mean, I think they are viable suspects and family are usually the culprits. Not like she'd be the first to accuse them - so was it much worse than accusations?

a reply to: GogoVicMorrow

I actually went to her Twitter profile, but it's been deleted already. Perhaps her last post was, "The McCann's are sending a hitman after me"

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

To make that kind of comment even half interesting, what do you think the point in killing this person would be? She posted hateful messages but she's hardly the only person on Twitter to do that.

You are really going down a slippery slope if you are going to have a discussion on the reasons why people are killed. People are killed for trivial reasons every day. Being harassed on twitter, and called a child murderer, is not trivial to some people.

So, you're answer is you have no theory then? Sheesh, you don't even know what the cause of death actually is but you are more inclined to believe those pesky powers that be had her killed?

I already gave one reason...some people don't like being called the murderer of their own child. I'm not investigating the death, but unlike you I am not saying it was a suicide, or that it was someone who killed her. You are the one who said it could not be anything but suicide. You are the one who isn't open to anything else. I said it could be either, already. You want people to move on, and not question anything. I am open to anything.

In fact, I said, and I quote:

Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing.

You don't even read what people are saying. You are obviously well invested in obfuscating truth.

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Believe_nothing

For us not in the UK (def not in the news here), what did she say? I mean, I think they are viable suspects and family are usually the culprits. Not like she'd be the first to accuse them - so was it much worse than accusations?

One example is -

One read: "#mccann To Kate and Gerry, you will be hated by millions for the rest of your miserable, evil, conniving lives, have a nice day!"

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: uncommitted

originally posted by: Catacomb

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
this is why I love ATS - whatever happens its a conspiracy

oh and by the way - the death is reported as " not suspicious " - that is not a synonym for suicide

but we digress [ as usual ]

yup - whatever happens its a conspiracy

Because no one would ever kill anyone, and make it look like a suicide.

Everything isn't a conspiracy, but as the article stated, someone was taking photos of her, and then she is gone. It's a tad odd. Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing. Not caring, and blissfully walking through life without investigating anything is what people in power want. So, you should congratulate yourself, you are doing just like they want.

To make that kind of comment even half interesting, what do you think the point in killing this person would be? She posted hateful messages but she's hardly the only person on Twitter to do that.

You are really going down a slippery slope if you are going to have a discussion on the reasons why people are killed. People are killed for trivial reasons every day. Being harassed on twitter, and called a child murderer, is not trivial to some people.

So, you're answer is you have no theory then? Sheesh, you don't even know what the cause of death actually is but you are more inclined to believe those pesky powers that be had her killed?

I'm not investigating the murder, but unlike you I am not saying it was a suicide, or that it was someone who killed her. You are the one who said it could not be anything but suicide. You are the one who isn't open to anything else. I said it could be either, already. You want people to move on, and not question anything. I am open to anything.

In fact, I said, and I quote:

Maybe she did kill herself, but questioning events that happen is not a bad thing.

You don't even read what people are saying. You are obviously well invested in obfuscating truth.

So above you say "You are the one who said it could not be anything but suicide." I actually said absolutely nothing of the sort, I said her cause of death is not currently known and for all any of us know could actually have been natural causes - you are obviously well invested in not actually reading what people have written.

ETA, if you are so open, why do you refer to her death as murder? Seems you aren't as open minded as you would like to think you are, are you?

So, you're answer is you have no theory then? Sheesh, you don't even know what the cause of death actually is but you are more inclined to believe those pesky powers that be had her killed?

I said it could be either, and you are lying when you say that I am inclined to believe someone had her killed. I already quoted myself saying:

Maybe she did kill herself

You said:

I actually said absolutely nothing of the sort, I said her cause of death is not currently known and for all any of us know could actually have been natural causes

But, you are attacking people who are saying it could be either...mmk.

And yes, I did edit out my mistakes. Newsflash, I am human!

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Believe_nothing

For us not in the UK (def not in the news here), what did she say? I mean, I think they are viable suspects and family are usually the culprits. Not like she'd be the first to accuse them - so was it much worse than accusations?

This is the odd thing, there are many people who accuse them of being involved, websites set up dedicated to show their involvement and accuse them of stuff and probably much worse than this.
But out of literally nowhere, comes this story of "trolls" on Twitter harassing and accusing the McCann's etc... it's all a bit weird, like it's some new thing.... then news crews go and confront this woman, she clearly doesn't care and then BAM!! She's dead.

Seems a little weird if you ask me.

Maybe Subtle (or not so) messages being sent out....

originally posted by: blupblup

originally posted by: GogoVicMorrow
a reply to: Believe_nothing

For us not in the UK (def not in the news here), what did she say? I mean, I think they are viable suspects and family are usually the culprits. Not like she'd be the first to accuse them - so was it much worse than accusations?

This is the odd thing, there are many people who accuse them of being involved, websites set up dedicated to show their involvement and accuse them of stuff and probably much worse than this.
But out of literally nowhere, comes this story of "trolls" on Twitter harassing and accusing the McCann's etc... it's all a bit weird, like it's some new thing.... then news crews go and confront this woman, she clearly doesn't care and then BAM!! She's dead.

Seems a little weird if you ask me.

Maybe Subtle (or not so) messages being sent out....

Why? You seem to be making the conspiracy. Although I have no more knowledge on what happened than you, it's possible that the person made comments thinking that she did so with impunity and was then challenged and she was ridden with guilt. Maybe she actually wasn't and when she was brushing her teeth/brushing her hair she had a heart attack - real life is weird like that - people do actually die.

Probably best to wait until there is actually something to work on before jumping to conclusions, don't you think?

originally posted by: Catacomb

So, you're answer is you have no theory then? Sheesh, you don't even know what the cause of death actually is but you are more inclined to believe those pesky powers that be had her killed?

I said it could be either, and you are lying when you say that I am inclined to believe someone had her killed. I already quoted myself saying:

Maybe she did kill herself

You said:

I actually said absolutely nothing of the sort, I said her cause of death is not currently known and for all any of us know could actually have been natural causes

But, you are attacking people who are saying it could be either...mmk.

And yes, I did edit out my mistakes. Newsflash, I am human!

I'm not attacking any body, you said she was murdered, now you are saying you have edited your post to say something else. What I was expressing some level of amusement at were people that automatically jump to a conclusion such as.... the person was murdered with absolutely zero evidence.

Classy to rewrite your post and then criticise me based on what your original post said. You would have been better doing an edit saying why you had changed it. ATS does state you should show a reason for your edit.

a reply to: uncommitted


Just playing devil's advocate man... it's a conspiracy site ya know.

I, personally, DO believe she committed suicide...she was found in a local hotel. Why would she check into a hotel? People get squeamish about killing themselves among photos of family members and much loved memories.

It's a sad story, but it raises very interesting questions about the thin line between free speech and trolling ('I'm entitled ' she said...but are not the parents entitled not to be harassed? ) I'm not siding with the parents here: I have my opinions on Maddy that verge on it being a horrifically mundane mistake of parents who wanted to go out and were casual about child safety, and that makes them culpable...but not murderers...and I'm probably wrong.

It also raises questions about the culpability of Sky News, who almost certainly weren't being crusaders of truth when they doorstepped this woman, but sensation seekers. You could argue that the trolling of the McCanns might have driven them to suicide, or at least despair. She deserves to be called on her actions, made to think about what effect she is having. But when a neutral news agency gets involved, drops without warning on this woman, and 'unmasks' her as though she were a Nazi death camp leader .... as a previous poster said, I think she realised the gig was up, could not face the reaction that would get her (whatever your views, she did, after all take the time to troll the parents of a gone child) and killed herself.

I used to be a journalist and this does not pass my personal ethics barometer. Fer shame, Sky.

originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: uncommitted


Just playing devil's advocate man... it's a conspiracy site ya know.

Oh, I agree, but even a conspiracy should have something to back it up otherwise it's not really a conspiracy, it's an opinion with nothing to back it up - surely there is a difference?

a reply to: uncommitted



I didn't say she was killed, just that we don't know and it's not beyond the realms of possibility.
I initially replied to a member who thought they were being overly skeptical in thinking this seemed odd... I said regarding the McCann's and this case, one can never be too skeptical.

originally posted by: singingbones
I, personally, DO believe she committed suicide...she was found in a local hotel. Why would she check into a hotel? People get squeamish about killing themselves among photos of family members and much loved memories.

It's a sad story, but it raises very interesting questions about the thin line between free speech and trolling ('I'm entitled ' she said...but are not the parents entitled not to be harassed? ) I'm not siding with the parents here: I have my opinions on Maddy that verge on it being a horrifically mundane mistake of parents who wanted to go out and were casual about child safety, and that makes them culpable...but not murderers...and I'm probably wrong.

It also raises questions about the culpability of Sky News, who almost certainly weren't being crusaders of truth when they doorstepped this woman, but sensation seekers. You could argue that the trolling of the McCanns might have driven them to suicide, or at least despair. She deserves to be called on her actions, made to think about what effect she is having. But when a neutral news agency gets involved, drops without warning on this woman, and 'unmasks' her as though she were a Nazi death camp leader .... as a previous poster said, I think she realised the gig was up, could not face the reaction that would get her (whatever your views, she did, after all take the time to troll the parents of a gone child) and killed herself.

I used to be a journalist and this does not pass my personal ethics barometer. Fer shame, Sky.

That is a really good post. Personally, although I'm not sure why Sky thought it was worth the time, effort and money to do this, the person involved felt free to make very nasty comments to people that live relatively close to her on a harrowing subject because she thought doing so would be hidden on the assumption that she was anonymous - that should be a lesson to all.

If it turns out to have been suicide it's a massively sad lesson, the message from her son shows that.

a reply to: Believe_nothing

There was always something distinctly not right regarding the disappearance of that wee lass. Truth is the parents were at fault, leaving there wee girl unattended while they went else where is inexcusable.

Don't know what to make of the woman in question committing suicide, need to wait to see what the autopsie results return I imagine.