The Suicide Conspiracy

WARNING: this gets rather skunky, i get gas sometimes, not to vent, you have been warned!

Ever asked yourself why the topic title is hard to accomplish? Maybe you havent, but having stood on the edge, I have. I blamed society for making the world as fail safe as possible, for making it so i couldnt just pick a random way to die, and instead had to think things through thoroughly, leading to inevitable failure time and time again. When waiting for life to happen is no longer an option, choosing to opt out isnt much of one either, it seemed to me...

Though i encourage this in stabler mental states, it amazed me how every hit on google is about how horrible your choice will be, why it is immoral, a cost to society even, a wasted chance, etc etc etc A mental firewall is eventually put in place, so it feels, but no issue is resolved, and this is the painful truth about suicide prevention...

Historically, there have always been supporters of the idea of suicide, but for some reason, today this is extreme taboo, even on ats, where related topics (hopefully not this skunky one) disappear (for understandable reasons though). There ARE legitimate reasons, one example in a form which were seeing more and more today, euthanasia

But only due to moral pressure! Its immoral to have an elder demented person in pain suffer, but it is to let someone who is criminally ill?... Its not only stupid overemotional teens that think about suicide and are prevented from doing so, its also disturbed sexually frustrated pedophiles, split personality murderers,... I can almost certainly guarantee these people are somehow hindered as well, just like i have been, so i wonder why we pay this price?


So here's the theory.

Assuming reincarnation is real, in a way that includes multi-dimentionalism, WHAT IF, we really live infinitely, and TPTB (kinda hate that acronym) know this? What if after death you "respawn" being it instantly or postponed, into a new life, perhaps even in a new dimension?

This way, if youd have an unlucky roll, you'd end up here, in a society where this information is suppressed IN ORDER to also suppress humanity


Since, if this were the case, everyone in a #ty situation could put an end to it, with a good chance of ending up somewhere better... TPTB would be left all alone on a planet full of resources but without slaves to serve them. Boo hoo!


Of course this information can therefor not be used as a depopulation tool...


(I realize the major issues with this theory is gun control or the lack thereof and how that facilitates things, but since gun control is in the works, it kinda DOES fit)




So ats, told you it would get stinky! Not even sure this belongs in skunks or in fiction, as i sincerely often take all this stuff as just that, fiction!

I think this would make for a great movie plot, for example! Bruce willis dies fighting the "illuminati", only to have us meet him again as a conscious 20 year old version of himself with intact memories of his current life, childhood,..., but also overlapping memories of his past one, since in this new life he was raised with the knowledge that life is infinite! So he recalls his suicide, since his reincarnate knows how the universe actually works! (Or well, he is reborn in a dimension where mankind has at least learnt THAT much and TPTB are no longer suppressing them) the entire film we are kept under an illusion, till we realise that OMG! (All of the above) So thats how it is!!

Damn, i want to see that movie

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

I think if reincarnation were a surefire thing, there'd be many more people who recall past lives. Maybe when you "die" in this realm, you are brainwashed squeaky clean, put into an amnesia trance and plugged into a new life? It would be nice. If I knew for sure I'd just respawn, I probably would have ended it at some point along the way. Maybe once you become enlightened enough to realize that it is really just a game and you no longer take it seriously, they pull you out so you don't ruin the suspension of disbelief for everyone else???

originally posted by: Nechash
a reply to: NoNameNeeded

I think if reincarnation were a surefire thing, there'd be many more people who recall past lives. Maybe when you "die" in this realm, you are brainwashed squeaky clean, put into an amnesia trance and plugged into a new life? It would be nice. If I knew for sure I'd just respawn, I probably would have ended it at some point along the way. Maybe once you become enlightened enough to realize that it is really just a game and you no longer take it seriously, they pull you out so you don't ruin the suspension of disbelief for everyone else???

Yeah who knows.

One of the things i really crack my head over is the question that: IF we had past past lives and will have future ones, why and how does it function that we are present and aware of only this one? How can we ever be aware of another one of our lives? Having memories only goes so far, there is a difference between memories and the now and how you experience it. That question leads me to believe that reincarnation and science go hand in hand, we do respawn, our energy, life force, call it what you will, the juice that gets the atoms moving, is purged for a new use, so we are aware of this one, but not of the next, nor the previous, as that data has been erased, our dna can be identical, but our memories, our experiences,... Are not, so we rebuild a new library. Indeed, sometimes a few files survive, deja vus? Past life memories... But most of it is new, our perception of reality and the world is new every time again, hence we can formulate the idea of reincarnating, but we will never really understand what it implies, since it implies that yes, we get many lived, but awareness is an experience of perception that cannot be duplicated, hence lives never adding up, only slightly overlapping at best.

I'ts an interesting thought, but I agree, in todays climate you won't find many ears. Suicide really is taboo, even though it's quiet common across the world and is one of hte leading causes of death.

Me, I like ot talk about everything. Why close doors? I don't think everybody would like that about me.

Reincarnation, for me, is just an excuse to have an afterlife. It's not too different from religion or spiritualism. They all seek to make the pain in this life temporary and for there to be a larger purpose and, most importantly, for us to have immortality.

BUT who's to say there's not an afterlife? Who's to say we're not immortal? Maybe we're, but what of the other creatures on Earth Can't they be immortal too? Well, heck, maybe we're all immortal.

So if we're immortal and some or all of hte other creatures on Earth are too, what kind of immortality is it? Does it just start now with this life or did it started long before? If it started long before then how come I don't remember any of it? And if it starts wiht this life then how come nobody has told me about it? Why throw me into this life and leave me out of the loop? And is it not a kind of immortality where I actually exist after death? Maybe all I'll be is an immortal memory?

The problem I have with reincarnation is why we don't know about it. Why? The OP says the powers that be don't want us to konw because they want to trap us here for as long as is need. But what if the power which doesn't want us to know is us? Why would we do that? And if we chose to wipe our memories then how come we never considered what life would be like without them? If I'm immortal and chose to have my memories wiped clean then how can I be immortal anymore? As far as I'm concerned I'm not immortal at all. I may be a part of the immortal's mind, but without the immortal's memories I am a completely different person in my eyes. How can the immortal accept any sort of suffering my life might entail considering I'm akin to a different person? The immortal whom is supposedly myself is potentially inflicting suffering on another being, right?

You know it's all quite complicated. Isn't a lot simpler to just say there's no divinity or afterlife or supernatural doorstep on the other side of death? When I die it's lights out, just as we assume it to be for the other creatures of Earth. It may be simple, but sometimes I think it's also a lot less reassuring. Ya, when we die we no longer have to worry or feel pain, but when we're alive the thought is not uplifting.

I think it's because it's not uplifting that atheism is so unpopular. In the US some 80% or 85% or more believe in a God. In the world, atheism is probably a similarly small percentage: ~15% or less.

Promoting the idea that after death there is *nothing* is as hard to swallow as the idea of multiple lives, imo.

How does that work exactly, nothing?... I've been told before that it's like before I was born, but well, thats just as vague you know... I cant imagine nothingness, you know why?


EVERYTHING WILL STILL BE HERE! Its only me, and even only an invisible(!) part of me that is "gone"...

Nothing does not exist, I'm afraid, thats why humans have always looked for a more viable answer, we just cant know which one is, but the most likely is what I'd call scientific reincarnation, like i posted above, most of "us" is reused, but awareness is unique and restarts every life... There is never "nothing"!

originally posted by: NoNameNeeded
Promoting the idea that after death there is *nothing* is as hard to swallow as the idea of multiple lives, imo.

How does that work exactly, nothing?... I've been told before that it's like before I was born, but well, thats just as vague you know... I cant imagine nothingness, you know why?


EVERYTHING WILL STILL BE HERE! Its only me, and even only an invisible(!) part of me that is "gone"...

Nothing does not exist, I'm afraid, thats why humans have always looked for a more viable answer, we just cant know which one is, but the most likely is what I'd call scientific reincarnation, like i posted above, most of "us" is reused, but awareness is unique and restarts every life... There is never "nothing"!

Nothing might have no beginning or end, so it's the only eternal substance, I've read elsewhere.

Even if there's never nothing, as you say, doesn't mean we have an after-life or we get reincarnated. Can't you imagine in your mind the process of dying and losing your consioucsness? I can. Losing our consiousness doesn't mean we're converting to nothing, it means the energy which represents our consiousness is converting to other things. Everything that was there before we die is still there, but takes on a new form, albiet one where we lose our consiousness. This is I think where you and me diverge. You refuse to let go of consciousness. Me? I just say it converts to other things.

One way I grapple with the idea of losing consciousness is by asking what's really being lost? In the grand scheme of things, the dna of humans living today is the same. The differences between us are so small. In all the variety of the people in the world is expressed everything inside me. I can die and yet all of me is still out there, some of it inside dna and other in other people.

There're even bits and peices of me in all the creatures of Earth. And even if all life died on Earth, there's a good chance it'll spring up again somewhere else in the universe and humans will walk again. They may not be exactly like us, but it'll be close enough.

See there's some kind of life formula embedded in the universe's "code" which produces us and all of the other life. Me or you or somebody else dying doesn't destroy that code. The essence of us is preserved as long as the "code" still exists.

originally posted by: NoNameNeeded
But only due to moral pressure! Its immoral to have an elder demented person in pain suffer, but it is to let someone who is criminally ill?... Its not only stupid overemotional teens that think about suicide and are prevented from doing so, its also disturbed sexually frustrated pedophiles, split personality murderers,... I can almost certainly guarantee these people are somehow hindered as well, just like i have been, so i wonder why we pay this price?

Spend time researching some of the people who have actually experienced this first hand and you will no longer wonder.

Once you see the end result, you will NEVER consider taking your own life again.

You are right about one thing, there is a conspiracy surrounding this topic.

I believe that the reason so many are tempted by it is because of the massive amount of deception and lies surrounding death.

The same thing goes for all of the mass murders.

They have been deceived into believing that death brings peace to everyone.

Far too many of the suicide NDE's say otherwise:

"As a young woman, Tamara Laroux was in an immense amount of emotional pain. One day she decided to finally end it once and for all and she took a .38 and shot herself in the chest. What happened next was a complete and total shock to her...." Tamara Laroux

"Then I heard a voice of awesome power, not loud but crashing over me like a booming wave of sound; a voice that encompassed such ferocious anger that with one word it could destroy the universe, and that also encompassed such potent and unwavering love that, like the sun, it could coax life from the earth. I cowered at its force and at its excruciating words:

"Is this what you really want? Don't you know that this is the worst thing you could have done?"

I could feel his anger and frustration, both because I'd thrown in the towel and because I had cut myself off from him and from his guidance.

So I answered: "But my life is so hard."

"You think that was hard? It is nothing compared to what awaits you if you take your life."

When the Father spoke, each of his words exploded into a complex of meanings, like fireworks, tiny balls of light that erupted into a billion bits of information, filling me with streams of vivid truth and pure understanding." Angie Fenimores NDE & Suicide

"Angie Fenimore, a wife and mother haunted by abuse in childhood and overwhelmed by despair, was in a desperate state of mind. On January 8, 1991, she committed suicide, hoping to escape her sense of emptiness and suffering. But clinical death didn't draw her to the light seen in so many near-death experiences."

“Tell her that if she decides to go through with the taking of her life, there are eternal consequences that she will have to deal with for the rest of her eternal life. The PAIN that she will cause her daughter and immediate family members will be severe and permanent!

Angie Fenimore - NDE

S&F. There is a lot here I'd like to address but I dont think I can get it all into one post...

I have had an NDE and what I saw was... out there, even for this site. Yes I think there is a conspiracy to suppress our spiritual growth and its quite obvious when you look at the lack of spirituality in the major western monotheistic religions, religions where suicide is seen as a sin or abomination.

Suicide is viewed a little differently in some eastern cultures.

Suicide rates arnt often reported, and when celebrities or people in the public eye commit suicide its often reported as an overdose.

I havnt read each post here yet, but I do like this theory you propose.

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

You can't imagine nothing?

Describe to me your last dreamless sleep.

Very interesting and touchy subjet indeed.

Suicide is taboo, but it should't and that's great you started a thread about it.
I've dealt with my share of problems and did think seriously about ending my life. For those who haven't gone that far it's like swimming in an endless sea in a perfect storm. And to make it clear, you don't actually want to DIE, you want the pain to STOP. This pain often comes from chilhood, abuses name it. But there is nearly always something common: the lack of true communication, open talk about it. Why is it that if you break your leg everyboby feels for you and then suspicious/disregarding if you 'break' your mind? I dare you to try this: speak openly about any physical desease with your collègues and then switch to depression. They'll all vanish: it's taboo big big time.

But I disgress, why you shouldn't commit suicide? Well simply put: because you, your bigger self, your soul, decide to come here in purpose. YOU choose your challenges before comming here. By committing suicide you remove all those chances you'll have to learn, to grow, to experience. Because indeed we are eternal souls. Or part of a bigger eternal soul, like drops of God, or whatever you call this pure energy.

Then why don't we learn all these things from 'above'? Ask anyone who actually had chidren if they see parenthood the same way before having these kids. Ask them if they believe they could even think they'll care that much for someone else. These things had to be experienced, not seen.

Then why can't we remember? This I know first hand: because we come from a 'place' where unconditionnal love is the rule. Because at every rough time you would choose to come back, and miss the opportunity to grow. Because if you know you're immortal how could you take your life seriously, how could you profit from the experience? And is it Worth it? Just take any time in your life, when you were close to suicide, and tell me that since then you haven't had great times, feel joy or had a chance to help a friend and be proud of it. Cause that's a problem with suicide, we suffer so much that we loose sight: we just want the pain to stop here and now. But don't, we here on our own mission, so don't deceive yourself and hang on: your life mission is precious.

So this is how I see it, how I lived it. Suicidal tendencies does not mean that your life needs to end, but the very sign that some things in it need to be adressed.

Thank you for making me remembering all of this, it helps in darker times


A place I go to get a glimpse of our purpose:

www.nderf.org...

a reply to: NoNameNeeded

something about the whole *reincarnation thing* doesn't seem right..
(fast forwarding)
it stresses 'improvement' (but.. why aren't we seeing this manifested in the 'real' world?)
the notion of kali-yuga (or these destructive cycles) suggests an endless cycle (yet we're instructed to break free from this karmic wheel) ..into what? .:. nirvana heaven (?)

i was, uhh, interested(?) in the following

"respawn"

unlucky roll

good analogy.. kinda O_o
that would mean there's a great Dungeon-Master in the sky (God?)
something that set the board-game up in the first place
something that categorized what all those dice-rolls are going to mean
(and so on)

but what i can't get my head around..
is how all these.. experiences.. are simply reduced to "experiences"
like, existence becomes some trivial pursuit board game
and the goal is to have as many "experiences" as possible
(all those little plastic-pie-pieces one collects as they play the game, as they roll dice, answer questions & fill up their little plastic circle)
so..
..one must experience richness
..one must experience poverty
..one must experience love
..one must experience hate
..one must experience satiation
..one must experience hunger
(and so on)
to ultimately be *complete*
..is that how it's meant to go?

one must be the victim & the abuser? (to be complete?)
O_o
...i keep trying to understand it
..but it just comes across as spirituality with NO MORALITY

looking for the answer to all that is worth sticking around for, if nothing else..
switchin' on lightbulbs & puttin' out fires is good too
..and if anyone happens to respawn in that way, WTT 28 mummy dust for lvl 104 white yeti w/ full equips

Sorry, let me try another more serious response without anti-social humor.

First off, since the news does not actually report suicides, I don't think the general populace nor TPTB have the actual statistics on more-recent suicides, but I do believe they are higher than they have ever been in history. That's just a guess on my part. They will definitely be higher in areas where guns are more widely available. But even in other areas, if someone wants to take off badly enough, they will find a way. I think it's just much more difficult. And often a person can find a few reasons worth living, even if humble. Also, societal or social commitment or obligations tend to keep people around more as well. Certainly the stories or mythologies of the spirits of those who commit suicide who are stuck as ghosts or trapped in a Hellish in-between realm also deter people from "taking the easy way out". If it can be proven that all spirits can re-spawn in a guaranteed new life with a fresh start, I think we could get Earth's population down 40% or more within a year.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I have spent time researching, AS I HAVE EXPERIENCED IT FIRST HAND.

Ive been abused my entire childhood, never got over it, not even now. Ive been on the brink so many times, it offends me you insinuate I have little experience with the matter


Something divine stopped me too, instead of killing me my brain made a 360 flip and made me believe i was a saint with a mission

THIS SAVED ME

Ill respond in depth later i think, but your post is not new to me, however, what she experience was obviously heavily influenced by what she believed, since she heard god, while others dont or do too, and i had a buddhistic intervention rather than a christian one.

No nde here, but a sever psychotic breakdown with exactly the same results!

I didnt FEEL god, i felt the universe, instead of it being angry (as she was INDOCTRINATED to believe) it showed me beauty, so much in fact, i wanted to live again!



Im very otf about the subject, i have experienced enough to know that no, consciousness does not just evaporate, in the LEAST a part of it is carried over in between lives (past life, deja vu,...)
But at the same time, im researched enough to know that its far more complex than even that.

The area i live in in the U.K was very bad for suicides years ago every week someone i knew would commit suicide , normal people who seemed happy on the outside and had good life , young families .

It turned out that the doctors were prescribing Paxil uk name Seroxat to everyone in the area in a big way since they stopped it is rare to hear about someone taking their life now

www.pmlive.com...

With my luck if i topped myself i would come back as a pet in a rescue center about to be out down
, i think i will stick

If you didn't know this theory is called Quantum Immortality or Quantum Suicide.

What if there were some folks walking around that "chose" their own death? And if that Self signed up for 'cancer at age 75' If that Self commits suicide at 50, for 25 Earth Years, they would get "stuck"..

Some materials that "may" help in this search are: "The Tibetan Book Of Dying" "The Tibetan Book Of Living and Dying" "Talking to Heaven" Also check when the Catholic™ Church finally made suicide a 'mortal sin' and why..

a reply to: JimNasium

I got "timed out" again...

Re: the Catholic™ Church. Imagine You ran a bar and "most" of Your customers quit drinking...

(re: corsair)
what you were saying typing back there..
..couldn't help but recall a scene from (iirc?) "Children of Men"
Michael Caine's character is listening to the (futuristic) equivalent of what seems to be 'heavy metal' music
(it sounds like power-tools eviscerating some person i assume was the vocalist?)
an advert appears on the TV;
~~suicide pill (only $69.99 or w/e)
..but it was that music that piqued my interest
(a parody of todays garbage) that people willingly & obediently allow into their lives..

"we are what we eat"
nomnomnom


..in all that ..i'd be a little anti-social too


a reply to: JimNasium

well put..
speaking of fishing,
let's troll this a leetle..

…13Jesus answered and said to her, "Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again; 14but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life." 15The woman said to Him, "Sir, give me this water, so I will not be thirsty nor come all the way here to draw."…

Isaiah 55:1 "Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.

Jeremiah 2:13 "My people have committed two sins: They have forsaken me, the spring of living water, and have dug their own cisterns, broken cisterns that cannot hold water.

(and so on)

hmm..
drinking..
customers..
"free" water?
O_o

..maybe that's why there's such a concerted effort to undermine this 'crazy' Jesus guy

a reply to: UNIT76

Hey UNIT:

looking for the answer to all that is worth sticking around for, if nothing else..
switchin' on lightbulbs & puttin' out fires is good too
.

I just wanted to add hereabouts, as I see people speak a lot about "putting out the fire……"
And this does apply, if only a symbolic level," to the OP.
We'd never have gotten to the point of being able to switch on lightbulbs, if we didn't discover fire, to begin with.
Fire was a huge part of survival at the earliest stages. There would be no humanity and no lightbulbs, without first having had fire.
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