MILABS (Military Abductions)

a reply to: Crowdpsychology
Politely meant for my part: Do you have direct experience with Monarch programming?
tetra

a reply to: tetra50

Hi tetra50.
I have absolutely no personal experience of monarch programming, or other mind control/altering programs. The only thing I can bring to the table is my experience of what i have read and links supporting the theory. But I do believe that this kind of programming is used whiteout our knowledge and that humans through hypnosis, drugs and trauma could be split into programmable multi and separate alter personas.

So tetra50, do you have any direct experience with monarch programming?

a reply to: Crowdpsychology

(I hope I'm not steeping on any toes here - Tetra50, please forgive me for jumping the gun on this one...)

I've been through Monarch Programming, somewhat (but not entirely) on parallel with the Springmeier version.

I've inquired about MKULTRA with my father, and he told me he has no idea what the program is doing these days. He did not deny the program in any way shape or form, but is unable to answer any direct questions as his role in the USAF was more along the lines of computer security.

I have inquired about FEB (First Earth Battalion) and it turns out he has met a few of the big names involved with such - though only in passing.

The Monarch aspect strikes me more as a Side Project Manifestation based on the original MKULTRA documents that has been severely perverted in order to make MK slaves within the populace by Cultists...SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse) and the like, heavy Occultism and high on the perversion and manipulation for personal gain with no regard for the individual being programmed...(at least what I went through - and still combat daily).

Some Programmers are more efficient than others, and some are just a host of sloppy wannabes. It's a complete mess out there. Particularly when it comes to low level interns trying to "earn their stars and stripes" by being absolute bastards to anyone that falls under the "slave/operative" moniker.

Anyway, had to put that out there....sorry to interrupt.

a reply to: phantomflier
Once one figures out the desired results, one must figure out the methodology.

Let's say I want to practice implanting memories, traumatic breakdown, memory blanking. Here's what I would do.

Find people who are alone, no nearby witnesses, in the obscurity of darkness. Floating in some top secret aircraft, emit a powerful electromagnetic field, something to disrupt the brain and/or body (and they are all powered by electricity, aka neurons). Abduct them.

-As you are well aware electromagnetic fields not only effect devices, but have incredible effects on the human brain. Michael Persinger proved that many "paranormal" experiences were able to be replicated with his God Helmet.-

Expose them to professor Ellis Dee, or some such which will make everything even more horrible and surreal. Doctors in alien masks perform horrible experiments or possibly even pointless surgeries. Words said during this time can be pushed to the subconscious and "masked" until a trigger elicits it.

-recall that Albert Hoffman himself had a horrible experience with it - imagine amazonian natives and others on their first try. they wont know how to explain what is happening and will believe it is paranormal! as to the implants, recall that many claimed alien implants were useless, and all of them tested have been proven to be made of earthly elements. it doesnt matter if the surgery is pointless though - its the fact that it happened involuntarily and painfully that matters!-

During the "suggestible phase" one can implant any information they wish, including things the subject wouldnt have known otherwise. "Parent" and "authoritative" figures can be used for different effects. Traumatising experiences are easier to embed, traumatised subjects are easier to manipulate, and active trauma breaks down ones mind to be a receptacle.

-implanting memories has been documented since at least the 1800s, and I highly suspect since ancient times. a study at our university here actually proved you could implant fake alien abduction memories in people that had a prior openmindedness, past trauma, and a willing attitude -

If the event is traumatic enough the patient will naturally repress the memory. A "relatively pleasant" memory post experiment can cause them to remember solely that, and obscure the previous traumatic ones. Make sure you get their information from their wallet. Using something as simple as chloroform or complicated as you wish, you can leave them unconscious in their car on that dark highway, wondering about missing time with the last memory of lights hovering over their car and effecting the engine...

Having their address, scope out their daily routine. Have two agents show up randomly at his favourite location when hes there. Tell him that event he witnessed on that exact date, is never to be spoken of again. Tell him the lights in the sky are none of his concern.

Whats he going to do? Hes going to tell everyone he trusts that he was abducted by aliens and he may even have the implant to 'prove it'.

There. You've successfully practiced brainwashing someone and arent even a suspect!

Check out this movie. If hollywood can fake this, imagine what a black ops budget can pull off, and what it would look like to professor Ellis Dee.

I think the Walton case was personally a MILAB.

a reply to: Vrill

Fascinating topic, Vrill. You have the stories of people claiming to have been abducted consciously by military personnel, sometimes just after a typical alien abduction experience has occurred. Then there are some where the person is abducted and becomes conscious during the experience to discover that military type humans are their abductors, right? Also important to consider in regards to this topic are the cases where the alien abduction experience, once critically examined, appears to be a screen memory masking some other type of abduction scenario.

thinking logically, youd have to rule out/disprove every possible human scenario before even suggesting anything extraterrestial without evidence (although i believe some UFO phenomena may have a spiritual or metaphysical origin, i think the classic alien abduction scenario to be purely military programs)

Speaking of implanting false memories, the reseatch by Alex Constantine has shown that the boards of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation are almost entirely made up of former CIA officials and psychiatrists. The FMSF was created by the founder as s response to his daughters claim that he molested her, which he says was a false memory. It was then used to discredit and "debunk" stories from other psychiatric patients about 'satanic ritual abuse' and mind control which became widespread after Americans learned for the first time of MK ULTRA and other covert CIA programs. This was due to the multiple senate investigation hearings of the 70s, church committee, pikr committee, etc...Long time CIA psychiatrist Dr Martin Orne even testified as a defense witness on behalf of Patty Hearst, supporting her claim that she was brainwashed by the SLA.

originally posted by: phantomflier
a reply to: Vrill

It would be very difficult, if not impossible, to create experiences as consistent as this across so many people by chemical means alone. Intoxication is always subjective, not to mention that the potent psychoactives have a lot of other telltale signs which are absent in abduction stories.

read Supernatural by Graham Hancock. People all over the world experience the same entities and archetypal images under the influence of '___' and other psychedlics. Also, it wouldnt take much of a push to convince someone theyve been abducted by aliens with a black budget supply of military grade '___' and a couple of alien suits. These ARE the same perverts who used mind control to abuse patients for their own gratification.

Could Rendlesham's John Burroughs potentially squeeze into this hypothesis?

Sadly - because he is so forthright and consistent - he is retiring himself from further investigation of the case after 38 years, but his story of being bathed in a blue light beamed from above on the third night and 'disappearing' for a few moments (according to Sergeant Adrian Bustinza who accompanied him towards a blue light in the field) remains a mystery, especially without official documentation. John has no memory of this aside from running towards it, but it has no doubt bothered him for a long time.

As many may know, his DNA has recently been analysed by Kit Green & Co, and a Black Ops explanation is still one of the viable causes of the incident.

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Didnt you copy and paste almost the same thing elsewhere?

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Didnt you copy and paste almost the same thing elsewhere?

Elsewhere doesn't assist this thread.

Copied and pasted? No... Similar? Most probably.