Ebola: Do You Have A Plan?

originally posted by: option158
a reply to: CaticusMaximus



Lock the gate.

Close the border!

-growing my own food (though I could really do a lot more than just my little garden I have going now.. since we're on 5 acres.. most of which has absolutely nothing on.)
-water... I need more of it. Maybe I can look into a well? Or at least a rain catching system
-stocking up on canned foods and dry foods... but we've been having an awful moth infestation. These little brown moths everywhere. We kill as many as we can and they just keep reappearing.
-I'm kind of a soap wh*re and have a bad habit of collecting soap. That seems to be my one weekness. I smell good soap and I'll buy it! lol ... I also make soap.
-Medical supplies..we have 1st aid kits but I think I need to reassess other things (alcohol, bleach, etc.)
-We don't have a basement... but I'd like to build a root cellar.
Honestly, I'm looking into building my own home out back on the hill for cheap (cob house or partially underground house)...
-I want to get chickens but my uncle and grandmother was like No, the foxes and other predators will come and eat them. I'm sure there are ways around it. I'll keep looking into it.
-We've discussed goats (mainly to eat all that grass!) but we can use their milk and whatnot.

I have no money and live with my parents. Unlike most people my age, I don't go out partying or shopping at the mall when I DO get my hands on any money. I buy seeds, water and things like that.

I rarely go to the store or out anywhere, being a hermit/introvert. About once a week. But when I do, I'll admit, I am very paranoid about germs. People come right up to me and cough/sneeze without bothering to cover their mouths or turn the other way even. Most people instinctively cover their mouths.. a knee jerk reacting. But I've notices quite a few people who will just stand right in front of you with their mouths wide open. DISGUSTING and RUDE!

Yes - started on my family's bug out plan today. We will have our individual backpacks with maps, essentials for basic survival and a plan on where we will go. If we feel the need to leave the city.

I have no intentions of being herded into any type of camp or shelter.

Will also load up on basic foods that don't require any prep/vitamins/water for at home isolation if need be.

Will read up on survival and just remain calm.

I have given the warning to family and just keep being told that it's not going to happen. It is going to happen, sooner or later. And if it doesn't then great, but at least I will be in the best control I can be and not go down without having tried my best and protecting my dearest loved ones.

My focus is to remain calm, inform myself as much as possible and keep watch on what news is coming from where to see the progress.

This is all I can do but it is something that I can do.

originally posted by: gatorboi117

originally posted by: MinangATS
Being here in Jakarta, Indonesia, I must say Ebola, is not on the radar. I only saw a small notice at the airport ticket counter last week. Unless I turn on the CNN news or read ATS, I would not hear about it at all. People here are more concerned with Malaria, Dengue fever, and Gastrointestinal illnesses.

Be careful over there! I understand that you do have very real and present diseases to worry about at the moment, but remember that Ebola spreads primarily through bodily fluids!

If the disease were to pop up there, it would definitely not end well. Sanitation in India is very poor, as you know. I heard on NPR last night that only 50% of Indians use a toilet, although that statistic may be wrong.

Just be careful!

Thanks for your concern, and the interesting facts about India.
But Indonesia is a separate country that is located about 2000 miles east of India.
It comprises the major Islands of Sumatra, Java, Borneo, Celebes, New Guinea, and little Bali.

Since we are discussing a problem (the spread of Ebola) that has world wide implications, it helps to understand geography (where countries/cities are located) to help us understand where it is spreading, incase we have to bug out.

a reply to: MinangATS

Oh my goodness, I'm so sorry! I actually like to think I'm good at geography, and I definitely know the difference between the two - I misread your reply the first time.

I'm sorry again! I'm running on only a couple hours of sleep. Indonesia is in much better shape than India as far as this would go, I believe.

Sorry again! I didn't mean to read your post wrong!

Husband and I started discussing it tonight. Our freezer and chest freezer are already stocked and we have canned goods and stuff laid in along with several boxes full of gallon jugs of water.

We're discussing buying rubber gloves and bleach in case someone has to go out, and one person will have to stay home with the kid.

And, of course, the final option is to go stay with my folks in the country.

a reply to: lakesidepark

I fear this is the game changer the 'nutcases' (wise ones in retrospect) have been planning on for years. I feel like a fear-mongerer, but hearing all the CDC and public health authorities lie OVER and OVER again this week is scary. This is a lot worse than they are telling us and we have seen NOTHING yet.

You're no fear mongerer.... alert, observant and cautious is more like it.

I'm with you on all of the lies and deception. What bugs me is the difference in attitude from the CDC and the white house when they flew ebola stricken doctors here for treatment and whats happening now in Dallas.

Hopefully this will burn out soon and no one will have to shop with rubber gloves and masks.

a reply to: gatorboi117

Well I am not in the US right now. If I dont see LESS reports before I go I may just take a little longer before I move back to NYC.

I am not a trained medical person. I would only be another body in a bed or bag. My family and I wont be going to NYC if there are increased outbreaks on US soil. When they stop by WHO and CDC efforts, or because enough people have died that no one else is getting infected then I will go. Cold but true.

I volunteer not to cough, sneeze or puke on anyone or to buy up medicine and other supplies others may need.

Thats my plan.

I'm not a survivalist like most of you here so I don't have any major plans to relocate.

But I am going to try to avoid seeing any doctor or going to a hospital. There's no way they actually can clean enough to keep it safe.

I always keep a stockpile of food and water - it's just a good idea for many reasons. So if it gets too bad I can just stay in the house for a few weeks.

a reply to: jhn7537
I have wanted to create a bug out bag for the longest time but always found it so overwhelming and the fact that I was working up until three months ago ensured I just didn't have the energy or time. Now I am unemployed and this is top priority.

Even if a pandemic doesn't occur everyone has something to worry about: tornado, flooding, fire, even a bad flu. Everyone should know how to turn off the gas to their home, where the water valves are and have all essential papers in order. I just recently completed updating my address book and have added all my pets with their licences and vaccinations as well as a list of all meds my family is on/dosages/etc, and also have a list of previous surgeries/doctors, and am also now adding to it my personal info such as essential oil recipes to fight viruses, etc. Now that this updated, I can keep adding to it as I wish but I do plan to put it on a usb and print it out (tiny for space reasons) and include it in my bug out - one for my husband, one for my daughter and one for me.

Some good info I came across today that I will work on:
- a family photo that shows all three of us to include in each bug out. This way you can prove you are family in case you are split up or if something tragic happens and a photo i.d. is required
- remember to pack an old pair of glasses/contacts and remember to include a glasses repair kit
- make copies of all licences: drivers/marriage/birth certificates and include a copy in each bag
- stock up at least a month's worth of everyone's meds. 3 days is a general rule but what if it is longer. Your meds are vital and will keep everyone feeling their best which helps keep one calm in whatever scenario
- major roadways could become congested. Plan a route of escape that you may need, i.e.: back roads, follow railway out of city
- make sure everyone has a safe word in case you are separated and that way you can trust the word of whoever is saying they have been sent to get you
- If planing on hitting the wild take a book on edible plants
- your bug out bag doesn't need to be 500 pounds but ensure it has the essentials and of good quality. The last thing you need is having your firestarter break or your axe break. You need these things to survive on
- consider a space blanket instead of a sleeping blanket: it takes less space/keeps you warm. Again you are tying to survive, not be comfortable
- read up on water purification: tablets/bleach/bottles that purify
- take care of your feet as fungal and wet feet will hobble you faster than anything else. And don't rush as sprained ankles are the first accident that will put you out
- interesting thing I read: take a rat trap and bird seed: this way you can catch mice/squirrels/rabbits. I read someone say these traps don't do the job. But unless you want to practice in that situation you don't have much else to go on and so I will do this because it JUST might help

I hope this helps. I also read that on top of having these bags ready you should have a simpler smaller bag in your car/place of work to ensure you can get home if things hit the fan in a disastrous way.

My instructions to my husband have always been: you take care of our child and I will find you/take care of myself. If you need to leave then you do it. And vice versa.

I wish there were some way we could keep in touch if a horrible scenario ever happened. Don't know how that could be arranged but I for one would want to know that those who took the warnings to heart are doing okay and that they are making it. I of course would worry about people who have allowed themselves to be caught unawares but I would hope to at some point meet up and know that those who are of the same mind are doing okay and that those of the same mind who did prepare are reaping their survival rewards.

A link to army first aid/etc - very interesting/handy. www.pssurvival.com...

a reply to: Asherz189
Start taking probiotics, the more the count and the more varieties then the better. This can only help. And if I remember right eucalyptus oil simply sprayed in a room kills viruses/bacteria. Check out Thieves Oil. We have depended on chemicals for too long in killing germs which are harmful to our health. We need to get back to essential oils which can do so much more and even heal other areas at the same time. Plus they smell nice for the most part. I don't believe in living in a sterile environment but I do practice washing my hands each time I come home from shopping and don't wear my shoes in the house after shopping, don't touch my face when out and about.

You know I am planning for the worst mainly because I can't stand hanging around and waiting for something to come and get me. And when challenged I rise to the occasion. But if it gets me then so be it. We all go at some point.

We don't have any guns and the thing that scares the most is how people will behave. I am no fan of human nature when it comes to the negative side. I will be the first to stand up for someone else and help if I can. But what scares me is the crowd mentality and the looting mentality and taking advantage of other people when they can't defend themselves.

My plan is to avoid other people at every cost, but help in any way I can if need be.

80% of the immune system in the gut. articles.mercola.com...


All the best to you

Die...

But I am going to try to avoid seeing any doctor or going to a hospital. There's no way they actually can clean enough to keep it safe

a reply to: Daughter2

That is probably one of the most important things stay out of the hospitals! If things are bad, then hospitals will become death traps - if they let you in. Right now - probably ok.

Attaboy/girl. Spread the fear.

Just bought another $6 tote and put 15 pounds of rice, 36 packs of Ramen noodles, and a 4 ound bag of sugar in it. It's full already. About $23 or so spent for a few days worth of carbs. Not much, but my many purchases of "not much" is starting to look and feel better.

A few more things to get with this paycheck, couple cases of water, and security supplies, and we will wait for next weeks payday to get a little more.

I've been wondering if I should start doing this now, just in case (in Australia) I think i'd grab a few extra tins of formula/nappies/wipes for the littlest, buy a carton or two of water, masks for the husband if he needs to go out (I tend to stay indoors majority of the time, and would 100% not leave if there were cases in my city) extra hand sanitisers/soaps, extra toilet paper and all the non perishable items so we would only need to leave in an absolute emergency. I don't think I'd bother leaving if shtf, as we have no where to go to anyway!

originally posted by: CassandraX

But I am going to try to avoid seeing any doctor or going to a hospital. There's no way they actually can clean enough to keep it safe

a reply to: Daughter2

That is probably one of the most important things stay out of the hospitals! If things are bad, then hospitals will become death traps - if they let you in. Right now - probably ok.

You wont need to stay out of hospitals cause if this thing goes live - you won't be able to get in a hospital. Hospitals will have barb wire fences & guards around them - why cause that is where the drugs are...

Hospitals aren't like Hotels...lol

How many open beds do you think a hospital has at any given time - 30/ 50. The healthcare system will be so overwhelmed fast - you'd be lucky to find a doctor or nurse.

In Katrina - New Orleans who left first - the cops & quickly there after doctors sure a few of them stayed but when its everyman for themself - gonna get ugly quick.

First all, I'm not going to panic. The US practically washes itself in bleach every day, we pop Vitamin C like candy, and can't even stand a speck of dirt on our food. We are our own cleaners.

With that in mind, I'm more worried about stupid people overreacting. I just got laid off from a job, so I don't have to go out into the public every day ( though I like to go to my college campus to work on my online classes. thankfully, it's new and I've never seen more than twenty people there at a time ) so that helps keep my exposure to stupid herds down.

We are shopping for renfaire season right now, so it's an excuse to buy more water and canned foods than normal. At any one time we have enough food in the house to last three months under normal circumstances ( all praises to the Costco! ) and I would like to see that number be at least 4-5 months. A small bug out bag would be nice, but my overall plan is to hunker down and look at Internet porn until it all blows over.

Ebola: Do You Have A Plan?

Ride my dirt bike out into the desert where I have my stash, put up a tent and wait....

We have at least a year's worth of food for the two of us, (knowing full well that we'll probably have to take in some family members...despite our constant harping on readiness)....a well for water and a full stock of medical supplies. Since we are retired we will hunker down where we are. Our freezers will be full by the end of the month with locally grown veggies and meats. The pantries are full of the produce we grew or bought at the Farmers' Market. Our winter supply of wood is stacked in the yard and the propane tank is full. We did a run on the used book store and filled a shelf of the bookcase just in case we do have to hunker down.
Our paper goods supply stays stocked as do the cleaning supplies.
We won't be going anywhere near a hospital or doctor's office unless life or limb is threatened.
My prep plans get modified each time we use them. The ice storm of '09 taught us a great deal. We've made several modifications as a result.
I spent a year buying double of everything that I buy on a regular basis. Every time shampoo appeared on the "To Buy" list, I'd buy two bottles. Same with cleaning products and paper goods. If you have the space to store these supplies, you will also find that it will save time and money because you don't have to go running to the store because you never "run out" of the staples.
The past couple of years my gardens have been less than spectacular but I've been able to supplement them by buying at the Farmers' Market and canning or freezing locally grown food so I know what I'm eating.
We've been "preppers" to some degree since the late '80s when The Great Depression of 1990 came out. At that time we resolved to get out of the city and have our own place, built to our design and have no debt. It took until 1997 but we are very pleased with the results. We were, at the same time, helping to put six students through college or tech school. We simply reverted to "grad school" mentality and frugality. Our original goal was a ten year plan of working like demons and putting aside as much toward retirement as we could---the Dave Ramsey theory---"Live like no one else so you can live like no one else." We "got 'er done" in nine years and have never looked back.
We have the bug out bags for quick exit in case of danger. We have our protections from humans and varmints handy but there's no protection from tornadoes and earthquakes. At our age, we won't be striking out to go cross country. We won't be going to airports. If someone decides we need to fly, they'd better send a private plane for us. We haven't flown commercially in almost ten years.
Like others have said, it's just best to be prepared because if you are, you're more likely to be able to help others, keeping down the panic and hysteria---maybe.
But it's also worth thinking about where the line of "helping others" begins and ends.
I think the official term for my plan is called "shelter in-place" or some such jargon for hunkering down with a supply of food and water, having no human contact outside the "shelter". Sorta your run of the mill "hermithood" in an instant.
Had to laugh when I read UseHerName's remarks about being a soap wh*re! Never thought of it that way but my husband often remarks on the fact that if we live to be 100 years old, we'll not run out of soap!
Thanks for thread and for all the excellent posts!