Bill Maher Destroyed Again And Again By Reza Aslan

a reply to: Swills

Speaking of Indonesian women:

The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.

The entire interview is basically Reza boasting his academic authority due to his PhD on religion(s) and 20 years of studying the New Testament. He also claims he was once islamic, converted to Christianity than reconverted back to islam. He also states @2:20 his book overturns "pretty much EVERYTHING that islam thinks about Jesus".

Food for thought here: Why would a person reconvert back to a religion that is wrong in what it thinks about "pretty much everything" regarding another religious icon? Sh1t don't add up.

There are many Christians that get their PhDs specifically on the Bible and its historical context as well as studying the Bible their entire lives, more than the 20 Reza claims. So wouldn't those person's have even more academic authority than Reza? Absolutely.

IRT the video as a whole, there really was no point to this interview.

a reply to: charles1952

82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers

And so it goes, I said it in another thread, as a Christian I am against adultery, but people make mistakes, they also have bad marriages. Nobody should die for that in 2014. But this idealogy that is fostered by many in Islam is tethered to utter brutality, and really women are the target here. And that is where Maher is correct and Aslan is wrong. I usually disagree with Maher, but he rattled off 5 or 6 points comparing Muslims and Christians the other night, and it was a cultural and moral win for Christian in every category. And that is coming from an ultra-liberal atheist who thinks Christians are complete idiotic morons. Aslan is correct there are moderate Muslim countries and extreme Muslim countries, and this reflects the perspectives of their populations, we see that reflected in these percentage breakdowns by countries. Sure he makes valid points but the stats brought out in this thread don't lie.

The bottom line there is more radical idealogical beliefs in Islam than moderates, across all the countries that have Muslims in them. And when 85% believe you should die if you leave Islam, that is a serious problem, because anyway you slice it, that is radical thinking by any standard.

This is my favorite thread on ats yet.
more than half the people i know should watch this.
thank you for posting

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Your bottom line unfortunately seems to have protruded out of your bottom...

Sure there are extremes out there in this big bad world but only because the new enemy of the day is Islam so the microscope is on anything that begins with IS (sic).

Lets talk about laws...do you know how weak and pathetic the western legal system is right now? Here in the UK you get a slap on the wrist for destroying some ones life but I remember a time in the UK when murder got you hanged and it was serious enough to make some people think twice.

Crimes had heavy handed responses to deter people but now the legal profession is on it's head when it worries more about the rights of the criminal than of the victim.

Saudi Arabia is a barbaric state but always has been, it's just the nature of the people there, they are harsh much like the climate they live in however their overall crime statistics are low because the punishment, while brutal is enough of a message to deter most would be criminals.

To generalise and make sweeping statements that a large number of Muslims are radical or prone to radical thinking shows what little knowledge you have and how presumptuous you are. The world is full of small minded people and that is the problem, people like Bill Maher who simply ignore truth and stick to sensationalism because it makes good TV and pulls in all the other fluoride heads who don't want to think or do their homework.

Rezla Aslan, whatever his credentials or background made some very strong counter arguments in the face of ignorance and bigotry, something quite common in the US it seems (now I am generalising?).

You think when these people are done with Islam they won't come after Christianity? Mark my words when this new world order is put into place every spiritual pursuit that draws mankind close to god and away from the worship of mankind will be a threat and a new enemy to feed to the war machine.

Peace.

a reply to: old_god

You think when these people are done with Islam they won't come after Christianity? Mark my words when this new world order is put into place every spiritual pursuit that draws mankind close to god and away from the worship of mankind will be a threat and a new enemy to feed to the war machine.

Of coarse I agree with you on this.
But when you consider the entire scope of the 2 religions and how they react to violations of their ideology, Christianity in it's present form is more forgiving, and that is a indisputable fact in 2014.

a reply to: Swills

CNN Cowardly Attacks Reza Aslan Following Epic Bill Maher/CNN Takedown

If its a problem in BOTH Christian and Muslim countries but mostly on the continent of Africa then its an African problem, not a Muslim/Christian problem.

I don't see how religion has anything to do with it because neither the Bible or Koran ask for genital mutilation.

a reply to: Swills

This just in: People in Europe who are faced with hatred directed towards them by their Muslim immigrants don't care what some idiots on TV say.

To many, what Bill Maher says is their daily life in Europe.

a reply to: Auricom

But Bill Maher isn't an idiot on TV, the guy with the PhD is?

People in Europe, namely women, are dealing with FGM? Forcibly by their Muslim immigrants?

a reply to: Swills

I'm going to guess that you've spent no, to very little time in Europe the past five years. You've much less lived the past decade and a half here, at least I'm relatively safe in assuming that judging by your comment(s).

The real story about Islam in Europe is suppressed police statistics (Bergen, Norway) to pedophile rings (Rotherham, U.K.) and much more. Europe, especially Scandinavian countries have never faced such social issues.

Never has Norway faced "rape sprees". Never before has Sweden had roving gangs of "youths" (young Islamic immigrants) patrol their streets at night often beating hapless Swedes. Yet no one speaks out, because they're faced with inane comments that "oh, it's not everyone" despite the fact that the numbers do not lie. There's a reason why the prison populace in these countries are filling up with Muslims.

But I've covered such issues numerous times on ATS. Quite frankly, talking to people much like yourself on ATS is like ramming your head repeatedly on a wall as your political correct liberalism has inundated your ability to critical thinking outside of the PC bubble you find yourself in.

a reply to: Auricom

Your assumptions about me are astounding. I won't even begin to defend myself against someone who makes wild assumptions, because we all know what to assume really means.

Have I lived in Europe in the last 5 years? Nope, left Europe back in 05.

a reply to: majkaveli

This point has been brought up a couple of times. That because it's not in the (however you spell Koran) it's not a religious issue.

The Pope and Cardinals are not brought up in the Bible. Is it safe to say they have nothing to do with religion?

That's why the conclusion that it isn't a religious issue doesn't work so well.

a reply to: buster2010

Dear Buster2010,

We're talking about Islam and you want to compare all of the Muslim countries with just the United States? You know that's comparing burkhas to pork rinds. Surely you meant to compare Islamic countries to Christian countries.

So, what have got?

Isabel de Peron Argentina
Vigdis Finnbogadottir Iceland
Agatha Barbara Malta
Elisabeth Kopp Switzerland
Corazon Aquino Philippines
Violeta Chamorro Nicaragua
Mary Robinson Ireland
Ruth Dreifuss Switzerland
Mary McAleese Ireland
Vaira Vike-Freiberga Latvia
Mirey Moscoso Panama
Tarja Halonen Finland
Michelle Bachelet Chile
Cristina Kirchner Argentina
Dalia Grybauskaite Lithuania
Laura Chinchilla Costa Rica
Dilma Rousseff Brazil
Marie Preca Malta

en.wikipedia.org...

To be honest, I got tired of typing names. So, tell me again how Maher was wrong and Aslan was right.

With respect,
Charles1952

a reply to: charles1952

Copy and paste is your friend but if you're tired of typing names. Here watch a video and give your fingers a rest.

Ben Affleck Angrily Defends Islam Against Bill Maher/Sam Harris

a reply to: Swills

Dear Swills,

I wish I could have cut and pasted. Alas, I wanted to look for women who had served significant time in the office, not just an interim period. Some of the countries May or may not have been Christian, so rather then check, I left them out.

Thanks for the video, although it seems like sending the Army of Lichtenstein into a battle that the Army of the United States couldn't win. But I have no objection, I like learning new things and hearing new ideas.

And I'm really glad that no one is even trying to defend Mr. Aslan anymore. He was just too wrong, too often, to be taken seriously.

Well, If Mr. Affleck is the second best choice let's give him a try. I have watched the first seven minutes and I haven't heard an argument yet, but I'll watch it three or four more times to make sure I get as much from it as I can.

With respect,
Charles1952

originally posted by: charles1952
Cont.

His next point is:

But again, this is the problem, is that you make these facile arguments, like that, women are somehow mistreated in the Muslim world. But that's certainly true in many Muslim-majority countries.

What? He says that Maher is right! That's two for Maher and none for Azlan. Maher's wiping the floor with Azlan.

I wonder if FGM is considered by Azlan to be mistreatment of women?

Because women are treated awesome in Christian countries. Hey, how long have they finally counted as people in the us? ...CIA now they never get shafted, raped, kept as slaves in good places like the US, right? Your scale has a very fat thumb on it.

originally posted by: charles1952
a reply to: majkaveli

This point has been brought up a couple of times. That because it's not in the (however you spell Koran) it's not a religious issue.

The Pope and Cardinals are not brought up in the Bible. Is it safe to say they have nothing to do with religion?

That's why the conclusion that it isn't a religious issue doesn't work so well.

Please do explain what the pope and cardinals actually have to do with Christianity? Please enlighten me?

a reply to: Swills

You left Europe almost a decade ago. Things have changed drastically within that time. I make no assumptions about you, I only judge by what I see you write.

a reply to: Auricom

You are judging but more importantly you are making assumptions.

I'm sure the EU has drastically changed since I left a decade ago...