APD Officer makes remark about shooting James Boyd 2 hours before shooting

We talked about the James Boyd killing here when it happened, but new evidence shows it was a premeditated murder by a cop who thought his badge was a license to kill. Sandy is still on paid leave, meaning New Mexico tax payers are supporting a cold blooded killer.

APD Officer makes remark about shooting James Boyd 2 hours before shooting

a reply to: mahatche

I'm not familiar with this particular police shooting. What was Boyds crime and what made him a lunatic to this cop?

This kind of evidence is pretty revealing as to the mentality of an ever increasing segment of Law Enforcement, and why so many of us are loosing trust in the system.

Way to many lunatic cops on the loose. Where's the training and the vetting process? It should be hard to become a cop and the training should be rigorous and continuous.

This guy deserves prison time. Life without parole.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: mahatche

I'm not familiar with this particular police shooting. What was Boyds crime and what made him a lunatic to this cop?

This kind of evidence is pretty revealing as to the mentality of an ever increasing segment of Law Enforcement, and why so many of us are loosing trust in the system.

james boyd was a mentally ill homeless man who was camping in the wrong part of town.

a reply to: mahatche

That is very unfortunate that this type of banter slash bravado would come to fruition...I can't think of many good cops that would actually want to shoot and kill a human being....really unfortunate that the police cannot get out of their own way...

It's also unfortunate that Boyd's family is now suing..wonder where they were when this guy was living out on the streets with his mental health issues? Obviously I don't know all the facts but it would be pretty crappy if they ignored him only to get a crap load of money due to the death of him..

Thank God some cops are still doing their job. Shame they don't have the power to stop murders like this.

a reply to: mahatche
The guy who was killed certainly lost his life for no reason at all.

That being said, I don't belive the talk about shooting him in the penis with a shotgun is really a sign of premeditation. Sounded to me like a cop frustrated with actually doing his job (boo hoo) made an unprofessional joke.

a reply to: mahatche

Thanks for that. I was just reading a couple of news pieces on it. The medical investigator listed the cause of death as homicide. It's a start.

One of the things that needs to happen within all law enforcement is drug testing for steroid use, they test for other things, why not that? Police unions have fought steroid testing. I wonder why?

The other reform would be that a higher standard for intelligence should be across the board for all law enforcement. As of now the intelligence standards are continually lowered.

originally posted by: ChaosComplex
a reply to: mahatche
The guy who was killed certainly lost his life for no reason at all.

That being said, I don't belive the talk about shooting him in the penis with a shotgun is really a sign of premeditation. Sounded to me like a cop frustrated with actually doing his job (boo hoo) made an unprofessional joke.

that's always the excuse though. Any time a cop does something it's frustration and stress, but that only means he shouldn't be on duty if he can't take it mentally. Two whole hours before the guy was shot he's talking about shooting him and he did exactly that. seconds before the shooting it looks like Boyd was turning to lay on the ground, before that he seems to be walking down the hill with his belongings.

originally posted by: Witness2008
a reply to: mahatche

Thanks for that. I was just reading a couple of news pieces on it. The medical investigator listed the cause of death as homicide. It's a start.

One of the things that needs to happen within all law enforcement is drug testing for steroid use, they test for other things, why not that? Police unions have fought steroid testing. I wonder why?

The other reform would be that a higher standard for intelligence should be across the board for all law enforcement. As of now the intelligence standards are continually lowered.

I never considered testing for steroids. I actually have a friend who is a cop, him and his buddies are constantly at the gym, and they are all built like men on steroids. I don't know if this Sandy guy was though.

a reply to: mahatche

I think that steroid use is rampant. It starts at the entry level to academies. The competition is vicious and that one thing that will push you further and farther during testing is steroid use.

My son tested for the Oregon State Patrol. He said that it was obvious that many of the guys testing for Academy entry were using.

a reply to: Witness2008

Sure they labeled it a homicide, cause that is what it was, a human killing another human.
By no means is it any step forward of this guy, or the other officers that shot, charged with anything.
If you have something in your hand and don't drop it, cops have a license to kill you in the name of their safety.

I saw the video.
I wanted to be enraged, but I wasnt.

The guy was just joking, and quite frankly, I dont want to live in a world where I cant mske jokes about shooting penis"s with a shotgun. Thats like 7 % of my vocab.

a reply to: IntastellaBurst

And you have that right to make that joke, just know that if you do, and then two hours later actually shoot the person that you jokingly said you were gonna shoot, understand some people are going to look at that as more then a coincidence.

Jokes usually hold some truth to them as well IMO

a reply to: Sremmos80

Look, I hate cops, with a passion.

But when I hear the tape I hear a bad joke, not premeditation. It is in bad taste in retrospect, but I dont think he knew he was going to shoot James on that day.

Should they have used non lethals ? Yes.

Regardless if they planned to use them, they Didnt, and should be held accountable so.

Wow pretty horrifying.

Makes it seem quite premeditated.

Hey, what we have here is the discussion between two or more people planning the commission of a felony, followed by what you call your basic "overt act".

It's the textbook example of conspiracy. Conspiracy is probably the EASIEST thing to prove in federal court. And you got a by-God tape of it, both the planning and the overt act part. You don't need to prove intent, you don't need to prove pre-meditation, you got both components of a conspiracy, right here, right now.

Send every LEO in hearing distance of the planning phase to a Federal pen right now, for five years. It's the easiest thing to do to them, and given how much LEOs love levying that conspiracy charge, it's one of those tasty bits of irony.

originally posted by: IntastellaBurst
a reply to: Sremmos80

Look, I hate cops, with a passion.

But when I hear the tape I hear a bad joke, not premeditation. It is in bad taste in retrospect, but I dont think he knew he was going to shoot James on that day.

Should they have used non lethals ? Yes.

Regardless if they planned to use them, they Didnt, and should be held accountable so.

Well they did use non lethals...to check if he was dead from their lethal's. It's safe to say their approach was ass backward.

They discuss the non lethal's in that video as well, but the guy "joking" about shooting the guy's penis off had no intention of using them.

I don't get how it's only a joke though, the guy collected his belongings and started walking down, they flash bang him. when he tried to turn around and lay down he get's shot. They did what they intended to.

If I joked about stabbing your mom and later that day stabbed your mom wouldn't that be relevant? It's absolutely clear as day that this was premeditated. The guy stumbles when the state trooper asked about non lethals cause he very well knew they were going in with lethal force.

He called him "that lunatic" implying that he has had dealings in the past that weren't favorable. The local police were clearly tired of dealing with a mentally ill homeless guy and just figured they'd take care of it to save themselves since trouble later. They weren't expecting outside interference.

I agree that what happened that day was totally illegal and all around F"d up.

But still dont see the premeditation.
If he had shot off his penis, with a shotgun ?

That would be a different story.