Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I assumed Yuppa was referring to the paint color...you are correct though, those are the military color systems we had to abide by.

Yuppa, if you're referring to Black Tech, Applied Materials is the largest Wafer, Nano and Ecosystems fab in the world. Every device around you has something we designed. From Intel stamped processors to the visors beginning to see action on the battlefield. They came to us first with an idea, and we made the circuit boards and wafers for them...so yes, we were aware of a multitude of projects.

a reply to: Jenisiz

I'll be putting together a thread on the triangles being tested over LA in the next week or so. Mainly just a collection of sightings over the years in my area that people have made. Some speculation etc...You are welcome to join the thread once I got it up in the next week or so. Feel free to contribute if it doesn't compromise any SF312's you may have signed.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Will do...god I hated the forms. Especially having to fill GSA-1567's out all day. You'd be surprised how much is actually filled out by hand.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

It's a conspiracy forum, there should be ABSOLUTELY ZERO reasons to have to read between the lines. If you can't share, then go be part of the problem. We're supposed to be attempting to uncover something, not confuse everyone seeking truth. That's where a conspiracy theorist differs from an attention seeker...

If you took the time to read between every third line, that was my point.

When we have this air of "Reading between the lines", "I know something that you don't", secret PMs and witch hunts, you have the equivalent of a 94 page thread and not much else. Not that Im complaining, its an amusing thread.

originally posted by: Baddogma
a reply to: Rosinitiate

Gee, when you put it that way, it all seems so totally ridiculous... heck, it seemed that way before you wrote anything, too... so, uh... never mind.

For all the noise and ridiculousness, there remains the core mysteries of our little cult (dry sarcasm, there)... how did the source know what he er... knew and why did the folks experience the accompanying weirdness reported?

If they are all lying, then we're good and it's all hooey...

I don't see anything wrong with believing the advanced technology....to a degree. I don't know, honestly I rather enjoyed the hidden hand better. I certainly think he knew things but I struggle to comprehend the relevance I suppose. At this point how much collective time and energy has been spent on these thoughts? How much closer to an answer?

Its easy for me to poo poo the storyline because I never hobnobbed with said storyteller. Its curious though to easily imagine a super computer harnessing our energy whilst we sleep. It was a common thought to many cultures I believe, however, there eyes were to the moon.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I understand your frustration. But sometimes people say a little too much on the internet and it makes certain folks associated with said stuff loose their Shizzle. They order all hands to go out and figure where this person is getting their info from. They push the person to give more details in the hopes that a small detail will lead them to a clue that will let them know or track down easier the source of the leak. You know use little fish to get to the big fish. People are wary of that and don't want otherwise good people to get screwed so they refrain from giving certain details hence the read between the lines.

Often times the more they push for direct info and get angry they aren't getting it, it can be indicative that they are getting pressure to produce.

Not all the folks that do this are in this little category but some are. Some are really bad at it and appear very transparent. Their bosses should dock their pay.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Lol, well if you read every fourth line you'd see I was agreeing.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

Lol, well if you read every fourth line you'd see I was agreeing.

Yes, that's what I said. Its confusing, but we agree. if you "get" what I'm saying.

Its funny, for a very large chunk of my life, I was totally immersed in thinking this way. Identifying with a group that believed they were totally separate from the rest of society. We all talked like that. a wink here and there and we were all cool and "got" it. Everyone thought that we were one mind, but in reality, everyone had their own version of this and we were all really confused.

a reply to: ZetaRediculian

This story has me confused as much as our current responding...I'm watching going to watch Fringe, screw this read between the lines stuff...night lol

a reply to: Jenisiz

I just started watching Fringe. I totally identify with Dr. Bishop BTW.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: ZetaRediculian

I understand your frustration. But sometimes people say a little too much on the internet and it makes certain folks associated with said stuff loose their Shizzle. They order all hands to go out and figure where this person is getting their info from. They push the person to give more details in the hopes that a small detail will lead them to a clue that will let them know or track down easier the source of the leak. You know use little fish to get to the big fish. People are wary of that and don't want otherwise good people to get screwed so they refrain from giving certain details hence the read between the lines.

Often times the more they push for direct info and get angry they aren't getting it, it can be indicative that they are getting pressure to produce.

Not all the folks that do this are in this little category but some are. Some are really bad at it and appear very transparent. Their bosses should dock their pay.

Thanks for trying to clarify. I understand what you are saying and there may be something to it. I don't know. I also know the pitfalls of going about things in that way. Lets say I pursue some of this between the line reading. How do I know that I read between the right lines and interpreted it correctly? Who the hell are you people anyway? To me it just seems like an exercise in confusion.

originally posted by: Jenisiz
a reply to: ForeverMan

"My repeated vivid dreams about this technology, after *** said that I would have a dream that connected all the random dots of data that I had found myself randomly researching what ever was on my mind at the time, have compelled me to post this story in the slight chance that it might actually help someone survive Global SHTF. "


I was doing my usual due diligence and research about this copy paste issue (different methodology) and was curious how you've been in contact with ***. Your Join date posted here doesn't concur with the time he left (A while prior to your joining).

I posted the information for that here on page 81 in reply to some of GUT's questions ...

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: The GUT

I do have one more question right now: How did the contact between you and A_0 initiate?

It was in the ATS chat room ages ago and I was under another ATS username account than this one that I am currently using and I said hello to *** when they came in to chat and we both went from there and we also shared a few u2u messages.

And prior to that I had just posted ...

originally posted by: ForeverMan
originally posted by: The GUT

Also: Do I recall you mentioning that you were in contact with A-0 at some point?

Yes, but alas, I am no longer in contact with them as of the date that they last posted on ATS!

And more recently I posted on pg 91...

Furthermore I think I have shown that ...

A] I am not ***.

B] That I am very intimate with the RK story plot-line and technical details concerned with plot devices in that story, due to my private conversations with *** before they went MIA.

C] That certain plot devices, aka Project Orion, although technical marvels , are most probably red herrings.

D] That certain other plot devices, aka the anti gravity engine and the mind controlling devices, although sounding like complete 'woo', are indeed technical marvels based in reality and can be considered within the realm of possible if not highly probable technology thereby confirming parts of *** story..

*** made it very clear to me that what they were sharing with me was merely a dream and that I could do with it what I wanted .

*** last post states ...

Goodbye my friends. Dream your Dreams and make them beautiful.

And I told everyone that it was just a dream with my 1st post to this thread ...

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: parad0x122

The 'story' is just that, it is just a dream!

Because I asked what I was being given by *** in chat ... "Is this real or a dream? " and *** said treat it all as a dream and I only realized the relevance of that after they had posted and gone MIA!

In dreams things are distorted and often backwards and I suggest you look up Through the Looking-Glass for fictional analogues of such distortions.

And so, I was given exactly the same story as everybody else has been given!

If you are a twin, you already suggested you're just used for mapping and not communication (obviously because you're as much in the dark and not working with anyone). You allude to being in contact with an individual who is only in a galaxy 100 miles away several times...even though the nearest galaxy is over 70k away. Care to share?

Well, ...

To find out I am possibly a twin and left behind and my very dreams and thoughts are controlled and manipulated, by forces unknown, is quite a shock to me

But, as I said before to somebody else ...

originally posted by: ForeverMan
a reply to: Jukiodone

Just because a third party validates your beliefs doesn't mean you should automatically accept their beliefs.

Thanks for your concern! However this is not about me.

Now, because it is a dream , the 100 light-years (miles) versus 70k light-years [lys] is possibly suggesting a clue that maybe ***, who's story details FTL 'woo' stuff as being real, may only see 70k lys as being the equivalent of going 100 lys, since its only just down the block universally speaking for them to go there.

But I also note that you yourself shortened 70,000 into 70k and therefore they, ***, may have used shorthand and made a typo error i.e. they may have actually meant 100k light-years and never edited to fix because they left in such a hurry.

But I don't think such a distorted example made by *** undermines the original premise they made about twins communicating faster than light and with a high level of signal to noise ration regardless of distance.

Mainly as I don't think it has been debated seriously so far in this thread as for us too be able to say we have some clues to the credibility or not, of those claims about twins made by *** story.

To SUMMARIZE!

I met *** in ATS Chat long ago and discussed this Black Triangle RK story in depth.

Recently, suddenly in chat *** asks me to be very aware of my dreams and then posts their last thread and goes under the radar/undercover/MIA etc.

I watched what unfolded across several threads, the original and this one, in ***'s disappearing wakes aftermath, and I noticed that this thread was becoming a witch-hunt with wildly derailing speculation and I saw a window of opportunity to shine some light upon the situation from another angle/point of view to highlight and contrast what shadowy areas of *** story I felt were very important to note!

So I decided to make a new account, by which to somewhat secure and protect my former ATS identity, and then post what I personally had to share, aka my dream, which is of course a mere branch in the story tree that *** grew.

Here are all of my posts to this thread for review.

a reply to: Springer

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: The GUT

They look like a double exposure or a reflection of the street light(s), maybe caused by wiggling the camera on a long exposure, to me...

As far as "experts" go there's no value in analyzing them unless we can get the real, original image file straight off the card in the camera. Compressed copies aren't worth dealing with on any level because lots of the data is missing and what is there is corrupted or changed from being compressed and saved.

Starred! I agree that it would be best to have the originals , however we are just looking for an approximate size of and distance to the object and so I have done my very best to achieve that with what we have got which is the exif data for resolution of the picture [1840x3268 according to exif data] and I saved the picture from ATS and opened it in paint and using the resize tool and clicking on the pixels tab revealed that the picture was the right height but the wrong width and so I altered it all back to the original resolution and then using the line marking tool i measured the lengths of some things and I wrote those figures down in a notepad.

I then looked very carefully at the pictures light-pole and went off to Google to search for light poles in Scotland and I found this website ...

Mallatite.co.uk Lighting Columns

... containing this French/English language pdf. on various types of light-poles sold in England and Europe and their respective technical specs such as size etc. and I found a pole in the pdf. [called the Calvi with round conical poles and tubular angle brackets] that looks and sounds very similar,... and the neck of the angled extender bracket and pole, where the light joins, the diameter of the poles neck at that point is 60mm wide and measuring that with my line marking tool determined it to be 20 pixels from top to bottom in pole neck width.

I then measured the length of the back of the light which was 80 pixels wide and hence about 240-250mm wide, using the neck joint ratio of 20 pixels per 60mm] and then I measured from the neck joint of the pole back to the main pole and that was 140 pixels wide and hence about 450+mm long and that roughly meets with agreement from the pdf. with 3 -4 m tall poles having a 500mm [0.5m] long angled extender bracket arm pole.

The pdf. also details that these tubular angular brackets come set at up to 3 angles [5,10 and 15 degrees] and that gives us even more information as to what angle the photographer was standing at to the light pole and possible also how far away they were using some triangulation methods.

Finally I measured a straight line between the largest gap in the UFO's red squiggle line and it was 70 pixels which is about 20cm wide at that distance in diameter and would be a bit longer if I measured the entire proper length of the squiggle line.

20cm+ in 1/14th of 1second means it was at least moving at a minimum of 2.8m/s or just over [edit]100kph/60mph[edit] 10kph/6mph. [I apologize for the brain fart with the maths by being out by a factor of 10, my bad! Sorry ]

Now I measured a line from the top of the main light pole to the bottom of the UFO squiggle [almost directly straight up] and it measured 1900 pixels [directly straight up] and that divided by 20 gives 95 sections of 6cm long which is = 5.7m.

Therefor, IF the UFO is in focus, and the light-pole is semi blurry which implies its out of focus, then the object may be hovering above and further behind the light-pole at a total minimum distance of about 9-10m from the ground [3-4m light pole + 5-6m possible minimum addition altitude] with a minimum implied movement by squiggle diameter of about 20cm if it was directly on top of the light-pole which it isn't as the light pole is out of focus and the UFO squiggle is not and hence it must be wider than that due to being further away than the out of focus blurry light-pole thanks to perspective.

So with the bare minimum of fuss and not much to work with, I have at least determined the minimum boundary levels [it could be a RC drone] of its size and possible altitude and speed. It could of course be miles away and miles up and really wide and moving large distances and I hope to narrow such information down in my next posts on this particular subject.

I hope this helps!

Approx 40 or so mins ago I got another off the range. Very slow from west to east and then north towards main base (nellis). Initially looked like dull white shoe horn then just a slow white light. No chance of my cheap LG phone remotely picking it up.

I know you guys hate my posts and even more my lack of proof, but I'm gonna soldier on reporting my sightings, in hope someone in my area will start looking in the same places.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hi Bassplyr I was wondering if both your 1st and 2nd sightings are detailed anywhere? I would like to read about both of them if you have a link/s. Just curious

a reply to: ForeverMan

No..... but that's not to say the mental image of you scrawling all this across walls and ceilings like Homer J doesnt have it's own merit.

Someone definitely posted a pic of a very similar lampost and provided a location already.....you are fired up about this so just use ATS search/google to find it (Lamp Post/Scotland/Submarine Base/Etc)..that will give you a much better chance of having something solid(ish) to work with.

Edit@ I genuinely want to see this so am looking now...stupidly thought Rosetta live might not just be a control room.

Edit: BINGO


RAF Dounreay ...not a sub base-thats how rumours get started.

a reply to: DeadSeraph

Yeah I have a thread in the "Grey Area." Interesting read. I detailed sightings 1 and 2 in it. Warning in between sighting 1 and sighting 2 I get a little butt hurt that my thread was moved from the UFO forums to the Grey Area. I'm also very excited in all of my posts so take that in mind when you read them. The thread it's self doesn't get much visits and it's only 4 or so pages long. But I do detail the sightings a lot. Especially sighting number 2 which was strange. Also there is another member on this site who has drawings that I made from the sightings. It may be in a thread one day here.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Thanks for the information!

I followed that and it lead me to this thread ...

USAF commercial mentions starships

... and this post ...

originally posted by: Sammamishman
Here is another bit to ponder on. Baddogma this is what I was referring to in the last PM about the street lights.

In the Wierd California Sighting on page 16 those of us following the thread will remember the pic of the triangle craft that Astr0 supposedly took.

I asked him in a U2U, when and where the picture was taken. He responded that he took a smoke break and was just outside the gate of an airfield in Northern Scotland.
Well the only military airfield that I found in that area was RAF Dounreay, at the Northern end of Scotland.
A little history of RAF Dounreay: "In 1955 the airfield was taken over by the United Kingdom Atomic Energy Authority (UKAEA) for developing a fast breeder reactor." (Wikipedia)
It just so happens that Google Earth Street View has fairly good views of the base from the outside.
I took the pic that Astr0 gave us and compared the street light in his pic to one that I screen shot off of GE street View at RAF Dounreay.

Now I don't know what year Astr0's shot was taken, the lights may have been changed and/or modified since but it does seem to me that the two street lights are similar if not the same. This would lead me to believe that Astr0 was indeed at RAF Dounreay when he took the pictures, strengthening his credibility that he was involved with something there anyway.

What are your conclusions.........?

At face value I would agree with that members assessment of where the light pole is situated, however I still have to do a more thorough job on analyzing the possible dimesions of the UFO correctly using the equation I posted a link to about earlier on in this thread.

What I expressed in my post to Springer was pretty ad-hoc argument but it did get us some basic back of the envelope ballpark figures to work with.

I am going to take *** at their word and, for the time being, assume that the UFO is not a small RC drone being flown secretly at night next to an airfield and only just 10m of the ground and only situated directly above the light-pole where *** would have plainly heard any lift fans propelling it from the distance they took the picture.

I will go with the concept that the UFO is far larger, higher, faster and further away that my 1st projected minimum sizes and distances for the UFO were AS I don't think the MoD would have allowed any such covert surveillance bysny remote control drone controlled by forces unknown UNLESS the MoD was flying such a small drone around their airfield at night themselves for reasons unspecified!

If it weren't for that photo you could file this in with the guy from the Navy Space core who went to Elenin/most other secret mission hoaxers.

a reply to: Jukiodone

At the risk of sounding negative, for the
life of me, I don't understand why anyone
would discuss that photo.

To me at least it looks like a couple
camera artifacts. Now let's say that the
little smudge in question is indeed a 99%
degraded image of an aircraft.. so what?

Now I will agree that the whole 'look
at this place at such and such a time'
is indeed the main interesting claim.

Im even willing to stipulate that the
observers of whatever are being
straight.

But again - so what?

A smudge of light is apparently seen
that apparently is within 20 minutes
of a stated time. So what?

I'm not being negative or disruptive
here. It's just beyond thin.

Have I stated anything unfairly?

Kev