Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

a reply to: DrunkYogi
Yogi, you are asking the ultimate question, now:

I have been thinking lately along the lines of our reality being a programmed Hologram, a Plasma Hologram. If it is then who is programing it ?

Wouldn't know whether to bitch slap them or kiss them if you got your hands on them, huh…..

I've been asking myself that question for quite some time, and trying to gather what it is I am personally supposed to learn this time around.

a reply to: DrunkYogi
i think pkd was just creating a term with 'plasmate' - i don't think there was a connection with plasma in the physics sense

pkd's exegesis is a remarkable work - i'm still working my way through it a bit at a time - it's a monumental work, and it's only a fraction of the material he produced on the topic

can't help but think it's a very important work, and the true significance of it might not be realised for a while yet

a very lucid account of a possible nexus between so many areas

i think until we have a full and fundamental explanation of human consciousness, a lot of areas will remain mysterious - can't help but think consciousness, information and the underlying quantum(?) reality are all significantly related

for those who don't fancy plowing through the exegesis i'd recommend his later novels - they're all based directly on his experiences starting 2 -3 - 74

You sure do get a deep feeling that PKD's work is very significant at some level. I also sense that we are getting ever closer to the meaning and soon, someone, somewhere will string all of the pieces together. It's a feeling of rising anticipation.

a reply to: aynock

i think pkd was just creating a term with 'plasmate' - i don't think there was a connection with plasma in the physics sense

But, indeed, having read all those quotes of his, you have to admit his knowlege of this matter was uncanny, when presented with that physics research I presented on Tsytovich's work, and Bohm, as well, wouldn't you?

a reply to: DrunkYogi

The geomagnetic grid may have been utilized to control us for some time. I am waiting to see if one of us figures out how to reverse the flow, so to speak, and control it. When that happens, those strings will all come together in some fashion. However, the question about that then goes to Bluebeam and the purported idea we will be provided with a "savior," via the military and TPTB….

But, in all hope, I think at least I have found some answers about a "way out," if need be…..

It's implied, if we are but shells to host some other consciousness, as well, and plasma is the delivery method, if you will, then it implies reincarnates, doesn't it?

a reply to: tetra50

I remember reading somewhere that the Grey's called Humans containers. Whether the information is true or not, who knows.

a reply to: tetra50

i'm inclined to think the ideas of penrose and hameroff point the way into the future:

orch or

A review and update of a controversial 20-year-old theory of consciousness claims that consciousness derives from deeper level, finer scale activities inside brain neurons. The recent discovery of quantum vibrations in "microtubules" inside brain neurons corroborates this theory, according to review authors. They suggest that EEG rhythms (brain waves) also derive from deeper level microtubule vibrations, and that from a practical standpoint, treating brain microtubule vibrations could benefit a host of mental, neurological, and cognitive conditions.

a reply to: aynock
Yes, definitely. I brought that up a page back. Perhaps you missed it.
I talked about the microtubules that provided a mechanism for plants to take their quantum walk during photosynthesis in order to facilitate photosynthesis in a maximum way or take the path of least resistance biologically, and that "walk" being dependent upon the variables of the particular situation, having been observed now, implies in terms of consciousness and quantum states.

This is definitively, despite that there is resistance to this research in the scientific community still, groundbreaking for the materialist model of things.

It could change almost everything about how we perceive reality, now. I am interested to read more about orch or, though, in a therapeutic sense, for sure. I sure could use someone treating my microtubules, I think. lol

a reply to: tetra50

'foreverman' posted on the subject a couple of days ago on this page:

link

so hopefully there's more to come

originally posted by: aynock
a reply to: tetra50

'foreverman' posted on the subject a couple of days ago on this page:

link

so hopefully there's more to come

Wow, aynock. Thanks for the link. I missed that. Truly incredible. Wish he'd come back and 'data dump," as promised. I am impressed, as well, you saw Penrose in person years ago, and heard him lecture.

Plasma is just one state of matter .
Without being able to see energy source, method of containment and application it is unwise to label anything a plasma based on how it looks.

There are probably many situations where using nano-materials (that manifest spooky quantum boundary effects) you might be able to create various things ( such as a BEC) which at the boundary- might look very much like plasma but would have entirely different properties.

Einstein had a very strong intuitive inclination towards declaring the Universe itself to be a superfluid vacum; a sort of condensate ( later called the Bose-Einstein Condensate) where dynamic phase change causes changes in the fabric of reality itself ( remembering that as humans- we dont experience full reality- we only experience an averaged out effect of quantum activity that once "real enough" makes its impact in the macro world.

If this suspicion is correct ( I believe Supefluid Vacum theory incorporating BEC's provides the most sensible explanation of the universe) it would open up some interesting possibilities by being able to control (on average) what goes on at a quantum level on any boundary- the boundary might be the hull of a craft for example.

Luckily, an ATS member has done a lot of the leg work on this already and he summarises in an interesting read here: Bigfatfurrytexansblog
(hope its ok to post that link...a lot of his stuff redirects back to ATS anyway!)

I'm compelled to look into "Paint the Night" by Mike Muuss but I cant find it anywhere !!!!
Anyone got a copy?

a reply to: Jukiodone

Einstein had a very strong intuitive inclination towards declaring the Universe itself to be a superfluid vacum; a sort of condensate ( later called the Bose-Einstein Condensate) where dynamic phase change causes changes in the fabric of reality itself ( remembering that as humans- we dont experience full reality- we only experience an averaged out effect of quantum activity that once "real enough" makes its impact in the macro world.

Yes, there are considerations per Bose-Einstein Condensate, I agree. You can actually make various models work, and neglect to observe something there or choose to observe it and therefore consider it. On some level it becomes that simple, too. And the boundary could be absolutely anything: a ship, a seemingly impenetrable wall, the edge of the bulb of the turkey baster, as I suggested earlier to BD. lol. But, for instance, when Feinman was first considering the problem he made a choice that there was no field for the electron to be affected by, just so that would eliminate the problem of simply allowing for the field meant having to calculate its effect.

I find that really funny. It condenses all this complicated stuff into a simple I'll just pretend it's not there, and then my equations work.

I've even considered that plasma is a man made introduced "fourth state of matter," we are now being told fills the universe "naturally," for its conductive properties…..again to further "cover" nature with a simulation….
indeed, many, many things are possible.

But thanks for Bigfatfurrytexan's link to his blog. I will certainly check it out. I've read some really good posts by him.
Perhaps, tho, we all have something to add, to come to new conclusions, which are even still and also possible.

a reply to: tetra50

Have you looked into "Dusty Plasma"?

I'm thinking a cloud of magentised nano-particles (spherical) that could be controlled to manifest various effects (assuming you had enough computational power).
They would reside on a permanent surface but once energised they might be able to float above the surface, creating an "Artifical" plasma or meta plasma- fluidity, observability, resistance, superconductivity....hell it might even act as a superfluid itself.

If you had a superfluid you might be able to tinker with Mass by just playing around with the Gap Generation Mechanism present in superfluids - a very spooky area of physics in itself but seemingly not so much of silly claim if you believe in any of the stuff Higgs has come up with.

a reply to: tetra50

"You were exalted by the sight of it, and then moved at what it may mean for humankind, everywhere…… "

I know the feeling. That's pretty much how I felt after seeing a triangle.

This thread is so hard to follow, it's like my 14 month old kid trying to keep his wooden train on the tracks. Can we limit the amount of times a specific person can post in a day? I'm engulfed in this thread and the other threads relating to it but I feel like it's purposely getting derailed at times. Am I am the only one feeling this? This (and a few select threads in the aircraft forum) combine to be one of the greatest threads I've read in over 10 years of ATS reading. Thank you to everyone contributing .

originally posted by: Bybyots


it was Zaphod's thread about a sighting that a friend had shared with him from CA, and then #SNIPPED# comes in, and before long 3 or 4 different platforms are being discussed. It's important to read the stuff, but a reader needs to be wary that things begin to intertwine.

Thats actually a good catch.

Was *he that shall not be named* trying to muddle up a thread on a classified aircraft?

No in some ways I think he blew them wide open. He was guiding us at first I think, not trying to muddy up things...Then maybe he went too far and had to discredit himself to undo damage. I think we should cut him a little slack. We do know he was an awesome story teller and that alone was worth his contributions. I mean look at how we are all "dreaming" so to speak about the future. future tech, what's feasible, our possibilities if we try. It got us out there and exploring. He may have been doing us a favor in a way.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
No in some ways I think he blew them wide open. He was guiding us at first I think, not trying to muddy up things...Then maybe he went too far and had to discredit himself to undo damage. I think we should cut him a little slack. We do know he was an awesome story teller and that alone was worth his contributions. I mean look at how we are all "dreaming" so to speak about the future. future tech, what's feasible, our possibilities if we try. It got us out there and exploring. He may have been doing us a favor in a way.

I,m not saying that is the case. Im just looking at all possibility's.

And you may be right too. He may be the one that went to far and had to make up a story of woo to cover his backside

originally posted by: Bybyots


P.S. By the by: do you experience sleep paralysis?

I do and I can tell you there is a world of difference between seeing hallucinations (some can be rather disturbing) during sleep paralysis and a nuts and bolts aircraft while wide awake.

originally posted by: ZetaRediculian
a reply to: usafage

Yes the triangles is my main interest as well. Maybe I am just a hardware guy at heart

I'm more of a software guy in that I generally think most sightings are misidentifications of sorts. I never really gave the black triangles much thought but after looking over some threads, I think there is something to it. I also think psyops is a large component of the story and the tweaking of "software" has become an art form. Seems like there are a number of ways exploit our common misunderstandings of brain function.


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thats a great chart.

It looks like sights slowly started to pick up exactly when the first publicly known flying wings designs were being researched and picked up in the 1990's and all happened in areas were NATO or the USA has a huge presence.