Black Triangle UFOs and an Alleged Breakaway Civilization- Discuss

The following is just food for thought and to shed a little more light on the enthusiastic DoD interest in meme propagation. Especially since 9/11.

Some argue that there is little empirical data to support Memetic Theory, and that without such data memetics is rather a method of thinking than a formal scientific field of study. This viewpoint is somewhat justified, however, this multifaceted and ever evolving field continues to tread forward in its development. Although there have been several empirical studies of meme propagation conducted, there is still little consensus on the memetic selection criteria or holistic collection of characteristics that makes memes successful. A commonly agreed upon set of criteria would enable researchers and scientists to weigh and measure various memes and create a scientific method for predicting future memetic behavior.[xi] So, researchers continue to develop and socialize ontologically-based criteria which they could potentially use in further analysis of memetics. Further, reassuringly, no studies have yet to falsify Memetic Theory.[xii] Many organizations, such as the Global Brain Institute, which is a composite of influential futurists, cognitive scientists, Artificial Intelligence genii, and graph computing professionals, continue to put forth the intellectual horsepower required to expand the field into a formal science. Regardless of current empirical support, Memetic Theory offers a non-traditional cognitive framing tool that IO officers can use to better understand and conduct IIA.

As the Army pivots towards operational design as an approach to solving complex problem sets on present and future battlefields, it remains in our best interest to keep abreast of emerging thought; especially thought that is wedded to technologies and ways of thinking that are evolving at an accelerated pace.[xiii] IO officers can leverage and apply the mathematical models and the cognitive structure of Memetic Theory to assist in framing their information environment, their information-related problems, and ways and means of solving their information-related problems. Though not the quintessential "Silver Bullet" of Information-related problems, interested military leaders should self-educate themselves on Memetic Theory and, pending their desired effects, mathematically and conceptually design advantageous and friendly memes while deconstructing detrimental or adversarial memes in accordance with IIA.

Applications of the Memetic Perspective in Inform and Influence Operations

And a quick review of some material posted earlier:

DARPA is soliciting innovative research proposals in the areas of (1) quantitative analysis of narratives, (2) understanding the effects narratives have on human psychology and its affiliated neurobiology, and (3) modeling, simulating, and sensing-especially in stand-off modalities-these narrative influences. Proposers to this effort will be expected to revolutionize the study of narratives and narrative influence by advancing narrative analysis and neuroscience so as to create new narrative influence sensors, doubling status quo capacity to forecast narrative influence.

www.fbo.gov...

While keeping that in mind, let's take a look at the DIA sponsored TIGER Study. One of the chairs of that study is Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green who coincidentally sits on the science advisory board here at ATS:

...Other questions raised by controlling the mind: How can we make people trust us more? What if we could help the brain to remove fear or pain? Is there a way to make the enemy obey our commands?

...There is little doubt that great progress has been made over the last quarter century, particularly the last 10 to 15 years, in understanding the physiological and neural bases for psychological processes and behavior. Furthermore, there is a high likelihood that more progress will be made as more sophisticated theoretical models are developed and tested using ever more sophisticated assessment technology...

...in developing the methodology, the committee considered the end user (analysts and predictors of the behaviors of individuals and groups), the data available to them, the desired output, and the unique aspects (if relevant) of neuroscience research. Intelligence analysts were available for consultation throughout the project in order to ensure that the methodology was realistically applied, given the limitations of the data sets...

Excerpts from TIGER Study - Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green - Chair

...Richard Brodie, the creator of Microsoft Word, notes, “Most of these viruses of the mind are spread because they are intriguing or frightening or inspiring, and not necessarily because they're true. That's the problem.” It doesn’t take much intuition to envision an enemy creating memes that can be used to destabilize a society, or a freelance predator utilizing them to cozy up to potential victims. Caryn Anscomb writes online,

“The UFO community has been deeply penetrated by the manipulators of information, who couldn’t really give a fig whether there might be any valuable data pertaining to Aliens and contact hidden behind the deafening noise. That’s not their business; their business is information warfare.”

www.realityuncovered.net...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Haha retro-causality... haven't spoken about that for awhile. It would explain so many things in metaphysical realm such as prediction (Due to time happening all at once instead of the typical A to B concept)

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: tetra50
nm

We're not attacking whistle blowers. There's a massive difference between having an experience and knowing what's really going on. Take for example...there are dozens of these black triangle threads...All contradicting the other and all claiming to be the ones we should trust...like this one, completely conflicting with the one in the op yet another "whistle blower" contradicting all those before it.

It upsets several members who are here for answers. These threads continue to pop up and instead of being investigated, we're supposed to accept them as truth? Even when the conflict with other stories on the same subject?

I'm just not the only one that feels like my intelligence is being attacked for not accepting someone's "proof" with zero available evidence. You say we attack...we simply are just trying to understand why?

Yes. That's why I edited and took my post down. But KPB got to it and answered before removing it did any good.
sorry. I wasn't referring to you.

a reply to: The GUT

Brother, I'm a huge proponent of the meme idea. I've read every book on the
subject that i can find.

Now geneticists disagree with memes, as they don't believe there is a heritable
unit of transmission that can copy itself and with copy errors mutate and undergo
neo-darwinian selection.

But I suspect that there are multiple modalities in play, such as "temes"
www.ted.com...
not to mention a more esoteric substrate of some sort, which do in fact provide
this mechanism LITERALLY.

But if in fact there is no heritable unit like with Genes, then the comparison between genes
and memes might not be the right comparison -- but nobody really doubts the power of
'memes', we just don't have the nuts and bolts figured out yet. Well the masters of
disinfo might have more of a clue..

Good response.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

IMHO,

But if in fact there is no heritable unit like with Genes, then the comparison between genes
and memes might not be the right comparison -- but nobody really doubts the power of
'memes', we just don't have the nuts and bolts figured out yet. Well the masters of
disinfo might have more of a clue..

No, there is no heritable unit like that, though an effort has been underway to say there is. The effort to say there is has stirred up gender, race and all divisions quite a bit, which was the point--again imho. As far as race is concerned, it is defined partly to provide a definition for "alien." Everyone, perhaps, in the end, may be alien. Then, will we allow "alien" to be germaine to the issue of equality? LOL

As for the memes, I think part of the reason for the narratives and DARPS's continuation of collecting them, is to make more of them.
And this, if so, would prove the existence and power of surveillance by many methods, including internal (think closed systems as microcosms to macrocosms), and then control by just as many methods. And the agents of disinfo are there to make the assertions of that, and more, not possible and not happening, on any level, whatsoever.
tetra

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: tetra50
nm

We're not attacking whistle blowers. There's a massive difference between having an experience and knowing what's really going on. Take for example...there are dozens of these black triangle threads...All contradicting the other and all claiming to be the ones we should trust...like this one, completely conflicting with the one in the op yet another "whistle blower" contradicting all those before it.

It upsets several members who are here for answers. These threads continue to pop up and instead of being investigated, we're supposed to accept them as truth? Even when the conflict with other stories on the same subject?

I'm just not the only one that feels like my intelligence is being attacked for not accepting someone's "proof" with zero available evidence. You say we attack...we simply are just trying to understand why?

Yes. That's why I edited and took my post down. But KPB got to it and answered before removing it did any good.
sorry. I wasn't referring to you.

Oops my bad Tetra50. You know the way I think.

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: tetra50

originally posted by: Jenisiz

originally posted by: tetra50
nm

We're not attacking whistle blowers. There's a massive difference between having an experience and knowing what's really going on. Take for example...there are dozens of these black triangle threads...All contradicting the other and all claiming to be the ones we should trust...like this one, completely conflicting with the one in the op yet another "whistle blower" contradicting all those before it.

It upsets several members who are here for answers. These threads continue to pop up and instead of being investigated, we're supposed to accept them as truth? Even when the conflict with other stories on the same subject?

I'm just not the only one that feels like my intelligence is being attacked for not accepting someone's "proof" with zero available evidence. You say we attack...we simply are just trying to understand why?

Yes. That's why I edited and took my post down. But KPB got to it and answered before removing it did any good.
sorry. I wasn't referring to you.

Oops my bad Tetra50. You know the way I think.

I'm getting to know it, yes, as I read…..
and I'm so glad (per, your sig) to have company in that thing….lol. Just a joke.

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

IMHO,

But if in fact there is no heritable unit like with Genes, then the comparison between genes
and memes might not be the right comparison -- but nobody really doubts the power of
'memes', we just don't have the nuts and bolts figured out yet. Well the masters of
disinfo might have more of a clue..

No, there is no heritable unit like that, though an effort has been underway to say there is. As for the memes, I think part of the reason for the narratives and DARPS's continuation of collecting them, is to make more of them.
And this, if so, would prove the existence and power of surveillance by many methods, including internal (think closed systems as microcosms to macrocosms), and then control by just as many methods. And the agents of disinfo are there to make the assertions of that, and more, not possible and not happening, on any level, whatsoever.
tetra

We certainly are drowning in disinfo and rabbit holes to investigate that
might not lead anywhere..

I imagine the goal is to keep the 99% neutralized until the 1% can eradicate
most humans and then 'win' by taking absolute control of this dying world.

Kev

But as to this, in Gut's quoted info:

Though not the quintessential "Silver Bullet" of Information-related problems, interested military leaders should self-educate themselves on Memetic Theory and, pending their desired effects, mathematically and conceptually design advantageous and friendly memes while deconstructing detrimental or adversarial memes in accordance with IIA.

That's making the military look as though they had no hand in constructing said "adversarial and detrimental memes, to begin with, and is pretty funny. They are engaged in trying to make their institutions look totally innocent, as they just discovered these memes, someone else constructed as weapons, and now they're trying to take that away and save us all…

Sorry, not buying it. And anyone who's presented the information about the old crew and what their activities were, should know that's entirely BS.

So, everything they've been doing since Viet Nam is intended to be identifying the weaponry meme and deconstructing it? OMG, I've heard it all now.
Tetra

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: tetra50
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

IMHO,

But if in fact there is no heritable unit like with Genes, then the comparison between genes
and memes might not be the right comparison -- but nobody really doubts the power of
'memes', we just don't have the nuts and bolts figured out yet. Well the masters of
disinfo might have more of a clue..

No, there is no heritable unit like that, though an effort has been underway to say there is. As for the memes, I think part of the reason for the narratives and DARPS's continuation of collecting them, is to make more of them.
And this, if so, would prove the existence and power of surveillance by many methods, including internal (think closed systems as microcosms to macrocosms), and then control by just as many methods. And the agents of disinfo are there to make the assertions of that, and more, not possible and not happening, on any level, whatsoever.
tetra

We certainly are drowning in disinfo and rabbit holes to investigate that
might not lead anywhere..

I imagine the goal is to keep the 99% neutralized until the 1% can eradicate
most humans and then 'win' by taking absolute control of this dying world.

Kev

yes, I imagine you are right. Unfortunately, though, we need solid identity to attribute the percentages….
and we're still engaged in muddying up identities, when they appear solid in existence, and then blurring the lines of who did what to whom and what that caused…...

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

my scoring:

*) balloons & trip to orbit: OK, with some history and backing but I don't buy the quantity
*) black triangles, yeah, OK, but just aircraft. (*** but maybe not quite)

Improbable:

*) Orion, uh, theoretically sure, but no way an enormous program bigger than Apollo could be done totally in secret without somebody else finding out. Like the Russians.

hell no:

*) ancient AI giving mystical hints, pure science fiction trope

*) programming and extracting information while people sleep. As an extremely trusted source said, "beneath contempt"

not 75/25. more like 20% real, 80% bovine scatology. My call: somebody with actual aerospace knowledge and high intellgence, and developing mental illness.

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: The GUT
I know I get a headache from and very annoyed by certain sounds, yes.
I've known that for quite a while.

I also find the flicker of fluorescent lights with faulty ballasts somewhat disruptive. But they don't talk to me.

Do you find DARPA's research breadth sophisticated enough to beam disruptive flickery fluorescent beams down on our enemies?

This is a good use of technology: beam a 'vision' to certain turbaned evildoers that Big Mo is Very Unhappy about their behaviors and they should start a whole lot of repenting jihad and a whole lot less beheading jihad

originally posted by: mbkennel

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: The GUT
I know I get a headache from and very annoyed by certain sounds, yes.
I've known that for quite a while.

I also find the flicker of fluorescent lights with faulty ballasts somewhat disruptive. But they don't talk to me.

Do you find DARPA's research breadth sophisticated enough to beam disruptive flickery fluorescent beams down on our enemies?

This is a good use of technology: beam a 'vision' to certain turbaned evildoers that Big Mo is Very Unhappy about their behaviors and they should start a whole lot of repenting jihad and a whole lot less beheading jihad

Yes, I can personally attest to that beam being used for behavior modification and working. The problem is it may personally also make you look like you deserve behavior modification when you really don't. Then others, around here even, may chime in to support the beam, and later when it's aimed at them, blame you for it. It's really the bovine exrement you described earlier at work in a very real way. Too bad.
tetra

a reply to: ATODASO

Their interest in and dropping of hints with regards to predates anything disseminated here and they have a far better grasp, they're certainly not in it for the hits, there will be a common source for what is being offered, not necessarily a direct one.

originally posted by: Arpad
Between their camo abilities and general distortions that go along with the internal workings, they could easily appear to "shape shift". Seeing one in daylight come over with only the edges reflecting sunlight is quite striking. One might catch a glance and think it's a formation of migrating birds.

Again, it is refreshing to see someone that seems to know something about what they speak. Cheers. Could appear as a purple flying giraffe if so desired. Doesn't pin down any imagined motives behind such a hidden existence, but then to get into that... there are far worse and more subtle consequences one may expect than any scenario that involves wearing an orange jumpsuit.

originally posted by: Varelse
there are far worse and more subtle consequences one may expect than any scenario that involves wearing an orange jumpsuit.

like what? not being flippant, just genuinely curious.

also, guys, i made a thread for the smart globes.

what's the deal with the sentient plasma spheres?

a reply to: mbkennel

Would tend to agree.
I've revised my initial thoughts of Psy-Op/Organised Campaign (see 20 pages ago) to now just being 1 person with a penchant for playing games.

Although generally knowledgeable (IMO nothing outside of intel/military/aviation blog rumours), the prankster was fortunate to capitalise on the obvious interest from the Kansas and Texas sightings- which were rare sightings of Black Triangles by anyone's standards ( interesting to note that on the Amarillo sighting/photo- Steve Douglass got a call from an un-named friend in the military telling him where to look!)

Prankster recognises the military are about to start helping people to see (possibly a real Psy-Op?) various exotic craft - ( of note is the obvious lack of "stealth transport" for troops, systems and DEW's as a clue when there is a "stealth" everything else...)

Throw in some wink wink nudge references, PMs and let the ball roll.

a reply to: The GUT

great post - i think jv found himself in the wrong room with the us government - and it took him a while to realise it (unfortunately, many don't)

i seem to remember there were a couple of interesting pictures being discussed on the aviation forum in the general time frame prior to the 'exiting new story' being introduced - might be related

one thing i will say for it - it's a very good story - i don't think it was cobbled together in half an hour

compare and contrast with the 'my mate designs them triangles' thread

a reply to: mbkennel

I myself gave the original, original poster credit for 5% accuracy myself.

Now though I once was 'nearly a scientist' and I love science, as we all know
I certainly have my own colorful experiences and theories.

But I don't try to drown everyone in BS... I always say "this piece is likely to me"
"that piece I don't know..." and "we need to research this together".

Now THAT is the approach of a 'rational crazy person'.

But when someone 'gets drunk' on their theories, then it all goes to hell...
and we've seen that again and again. It's a well known thing in esoterica
as well.. very well known.

Kev

originally posted by: aynock
i seem to remember there were a couple of interesting pictures being discussed on the aviation forum in the general time frame prior to the 'exiting new story' being introduced - might be related

That's exactly the kind of information that might shed some light here.

As a matter of fact, I was speculating with another member last night and we were wondering about the various techs being discussed at the time and hoping to narrow the field if this was a psyop to cover information that was getting out on the aviation boards.

Where was that, do you remember?