Black is the new Arab?

First... if this has already been discussed please delete.

I have seen no pics of the Oklahoma guy that beheaded his coworker. I thought that was weird and started pondering why. Then I remember seeing that the guy was converted to Islam in prison. Well, thanks to to tv show oz, I have it in my head that converted Muslims in prison are usually black.

So what if his guy is black? Can you imagine the racial tension that would cause?

So let say he is black, tptb aren't releasing photos of him, why? Because they don't want to cause mass hysteria? Well, that would completely go against my "tptb want us to be scared" scenerio.

That got me to thinking, that would be the perfect scenerio to get the public into mass hysteria. So not only arrive we suppose to fear Arabs but also blacks. Just me trying to connect the dots and curious if anyone else has thought about this.

So they have released pics of him and he is black. Please forgive my ignorance, I don't have tv and did see pics on the stories I read first.

So is this going to cause mass hysteria? If a few more black Muslims start beheading people here I can only imagine the racial tension this is going to cause in the states.

s ee the pic here

I do not think the color of his skin will make any difference ... Just as easily could have been white, Asian or anyone else that puts religion before common sense or is a sick demented individual.

originally posted by: 727Sky
I do not think the color of his skin will make any difference ... Just as easily could have been white, Asian or anyone else that puts religion before common sense or is a sick demented individual.

Yea, I know. But it wasnt. It was a black man. So let's say that another black man who has converted to Islam be heads someone else. Then people are not only suppose to fear Mohammed but also Tyrone.

I must be a terrible writer because my point never seems to get across to anyone.

a reply to: stellawayten

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Well, black people, as well as white people and brown people and yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion. If people in USA didnt know that a black person can be a muslim, only brown people, then I am not suprised at all.

Like if this comes as a suprise to people in the states that "OH MY f'¨¨ing GOD, A BLACK MAN IS A MUSLIM" the truly USA as a country is lost due to low brain activity.

Islam is a religion, not a race or color.

Anybody could be Muslim. Your suburb neighbor with the minivan, the mailman, that nice family you saw at the diner, even that actor/actress you like so much.

Just like how some Christians might go crazy and justify their craziness with religion, so can Muslims. There are fringe elements and extremists in every religion, but they do not represent the whole. If you pour a bit of your can of soda on the ground, and that bit mixes with all the dirt, germs and whatever other nasty stuff is on the ground, does that taint the soda remaining in the can? No, the can is not part of what became contaminated, just like how extremist are not part of the religion they decided to use to justify their extreme actions. I say this as an atheist, and a pretty outspoken one at that. Despite the fact that i think anybody who worships a supreme being without any evidence is a fool, i will still fight for them not being lumped in with the most extreme people flying the same banner. I know great people who are Christian and would not be capable of any of the lengths extreme christians have gone. I know less muslims, but the same applies. They are good people who would never hurt another person, completely unlike the fringe and extreme elements of their religion.

Anybody who thinks that the acts of extremism are the actions of an entire religion, race, or skin color is a bigot, plain and simple. Blaming an entire group for the actions of a very small minority is the very definition of bigotry.

I am not saying most people realize this. A fair portion of people across the world are ignorant creatures that are only capable of emotional knee jerk reactions and will jump on whatever bandwagon those close to them are already on. Be that as it may, it is not an excuse to be a bigot. The sooner people realize they are on the wrong side of history, the sooner this mess can be cleaned up and brought under control.

Here is a Pew Research article on the diversity of the US Muslim community.
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a reply to: stellawayten

Yes he was a black man.(although color isn't the point) Born and raised in the United States (by Christians).

And... he was angry that he lost his job:

The attack happened very soon after Nolen learned he'd lost his job at the processing plant. Police said he walked into the front office of the plant and attacked one of first people he encountered, Colleen Hufford, 54.

"He wasn't targeting anyone, wasn't going specifically after them," the police spokesman said. "It appears they were just in his way as he came in."

His past is one of a disturbed person:

Nolen was arrested in 2006 when an officer saw him throw a bag of crack coc aine and a bag of marijuana out the vehicle window as the officer pulled him over for traffic violations.

Nolen was put on probation, KOKI reported. In 2010, a state trooper stopped Nolen for an expired tag and discovered Nolen had outstanding warrants, KOKI reported.

The trooper, Betsy Randolph, told CNN on Saturday that Nolen started struggling after she put a handcuff on one wrist. Nolen ran and was arrested after a 12-hour manhunt.

A spokesman for Gov. Mary Fallin, Alex Weintz, noted the governor had blocked Nolen from receiving parole in 2012.

Weintz said Saturday: "The suspect came up for parole in 2012 and the governor denied his parole. She reviewed his file and didn't think that he was a good candidate for early parole."

And people are blaming Islam? Muslims don't go beheading people if they loose a job for God's sake! This man is a product of society, not Islam.

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: 727Sky

The man who did this was born and raised Christian. He lost his job, got pissed off, and went back to his job and chopped the first persons head off he ran into... would have continued in this manner but he got shot.

I was born and raised Muslim. I have never chopped anyone's head off, nor have I ever wanted to. Nor was I taught it was okay, even once, my teachers of my religion. Quite the opposite actually.

I was recently turned down for a job too. Interviewed and was told my interview did not qualify me for the job. (which totally sucks I'm still upset about it because I really needed the job) And guess what... I didn't go on a chopping people's heads off rampage.

So... shall we say the man above - raised by Christians and in trouble for drugs etc and so bad in prison that he couldn't get an early release - was then a product of society and NOT religion?

Because I don't see religion having even one thing to do with this. Society on the other hand, perhaps. Here was an emotionally disturbed individual... and not one person noticed or cared enough to try and get him some professional help.

a reply to: stellawayten

His colour of skin, his nation of origin, his professed faith, none of these are strictly relevant to his subnormal behaviour.

The fact is, that everything we know about this person, speaks to an inability to make informed life choices, an inability to align himself with the healthier aspects of living in a society larger than one's self, and a propensity for behaviour which defies logic and reason.

To my mind, his individual psychopathology has more to do with the reasons behind the appalling crime he committed after being fired. It is perfectly possible that he felt victimised by humanity, like the punchline in a cosmic joke, and rather than suck it up, like everyone else who wakes up feeling that way, he lost his crap, and cut off a womans head, before shanking some other lady. Also, the victimology could be interesting. Both assaults were against women, which speaks not to his religious beliefs, but to his insecurity as a man, perhaps he thought himself unable to confront a male with the same surity of purpose.

All we can say for certain at this time, is that Muslim or otherwise, this man had a psychopathology and history which lead one to understand that it was a matter of time before he flipped. No matter whether he was somehow radicalised, or whether he was just died in the wool bonkers, this incident or something very much like it, was probable at some point on his time line.

yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion.

a reply to: Nettlas
When you said the above statement, did you mean to say Asian people.
We don't like to be called Yellow, we're not Yellow at all.
Actually, we're very White unless we're in the sun a lot then we happen to Tan.
But maybe you didn't mean to make such an uneducated statement.

Much like this one.

Well, black people, as well as white people and brown people and yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion.

In an Asian Country known as China, you might want to correct your statement.
The Muslim religion comes in at 4th place.
The major religions in China are, Daoist, Buddist, Christian and last Muslim then you have the Majority of China that I fall into, China is Officially Atheist!
Mostly Chinese people are Buddhism, Also Christian & Hinduism the Minority (Mongolia, Xin Jiang) are Islam.

In the future, try and Show some Respect, Asian, Not Yellow!
Here is our daughter, you tell me, what color she is.

She had her picture taken for a National magazine in China this March.

originally posted by: guohua

yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion.

a reply to: Nettlas
When you said the above statement, did you mean to say Asian people.
We don't like to be called Yellow, we're not Yellow at all.
Actually, we're very White unless we're in the sun a lot then we happen to Tan.
But maybe you didn't mean to make such an uneducated statement.

Much like this one.

Well, black people, as well as white people and brown people and yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion.

In an Asian Country known as China, you might want to correct your statement.
The Muslim religion comes in at 4th place.
The major religions in China are, Daoist, Buddist, Christian and last Muslim then you have the Majority of China that I fall into, China is Officially Atheist!
Mostly Chinese people are Buddhism, Also Christian & Hinduism the Minority (Mongolia, Xin Jiang) are Islam.

In the future, try and Show some Respect, Asian, Not Yellow!
Here is our daughter, you tell me, what color she is.

She had her picture taken for a National magazine in China this March.

Hey she is very pretty ! Congrats...

Some of the yellow stuff is a hold over from WWll (yellow japs and many other derogatory designations) and is still used by some even though they probably really do not know why... Good Gosh, most of the Chinese and Japanese I know are whiter than white with almost translucent beautiful skin.. Sun just makes them a beautiful tan... which they usually hate ! hahhaha

Hope all is well with you and yours and I am glad your husband taught her how to shoot.. Tell him I said hello and good luck on the fishing !

So two heads get chopped off and we are in shock, we think what we are told to think but during the same period of time twenty heads got chopped off by our royal freinds in Saudia Arabia and we droped bombs and killed a hundred or so children as we fight a phony war from two miles high.

Bomb and kill people around me and see if i would not be chopping a few heads off myself given half a chance.

Blacks in the USA are the same slaves as they were two hundred years ago except they thought they were free and are now starting to see this and they are only one notch above the rest of us in the new police state known as the USA.

Stop bombing people the world over and killing them at home in the USa and they might stop trying to kill you !

a reply to: guohua

I would put in a vote for the colour "fine as a spring day".

Other than that, skin colour is about as important to me as the music of ninties pop music monstrosity, the Spice Girls, in that I wish we could all forget that it ever existed as a concept.

Your daughter is a fine figure of a woman!

a reply to: TrueBrit
Thank You and she can take care of herself, that is most important.
I agree with your statement on skin colour.

a reply to: stellawayten

I won't be spouting out politically correct nonsense like the many posters before me, instead I'll be addressing the issue.

Yes, the majority of Muslim converts in prison are black.

(In regards to prison converts to Islam) These converted inmates are mostly African American

Wikipedia

Now does this mean that all Muslims are brown or black? No. Does this mean that all terrorists are middle eastern? However, race doesn't play a role. Islam is a dangerous political movement under the guise of a religious organization. It's the perfect cover, if they do something we don't like they can tout off religious freedom essentially quelling any voices that oppose them.

a reply to: guohua

Wait - aren't you always scoffing at people being PC? Guess it doesn't matter until it hits you personally, huh?

By the way, I do agree with you on the color issue. It's totally not PC to say "yellow" skin. Being PC is about being respectful of others. Another example would be "red skin", pertaining to Native Americans... agree?

originally posted by: Nettlas
Well, black people, as well as white people and brown people and yellow people live in countries where Islam is the No 1# religion. If people in USA didnt know that a black person can be a muslim, only brown people, then I am not suprised at all.

Like if this comes as a suprise to people in the states that "OH MY f'¨¨ing GOD, A BLACK MAN IS A MUSLIM" the truly USA as a country is lost due to low brain activity.

Well just to balance this out Malcolm X was surprised when he did the Meca thing that there were white Muslims in attendance.

Loony Farrakhan has been known to berate whites that show up at his Muslim church. Its clear to him that being Muslim in america is a brown thing.

And yea, the american Muslim movement among blacks had more to do with race than anything. For them it was a part of counter culture movement against "white" christianity.

If you are from outside the states it may be hard to understand the history of the black american Muslim movement. Its really not an OMG moment. 99.9% of Muslims in the US who were not Arab were black.

Oh my... yall still aren't getting the point.

Yes, Muslims can be any race, nationality, whatever... but if you are trying to get into the minds of people in this area you must think like them. I asked my Gma what she thought of the Oklahoma beheading and she said it scares her to death. I said why and she said because they are beheading people in the United states now. You must understand she is the typical fox news junky. Fox news plays in her house all day! I'm not exaggerating. It's the same news stories over and over and over.

And I'm telling yall that this type that makes up the majority of the population at least in this area thinks like that. And no, in their minds the extremists were Arab and I bet it never occurred to them it could be anyone. Even you next door neighbor.