Muslims against ISIS

I've seen threads, and complaints in threads asking where all the Muslims are who are condemning ISIS, so I thought it worthwhile making a list of news articles showing where there are Muslims speaking out in no uncertain terms.

I'm fairly certain this will be insufficient for some people, but my own suspicion is nothing will satisfy them.

www.npr.org...

Bin Bayyah, 79, is a prominent Muslim cleric and, as a respected religious scholar, has issued edicts to explain why groups such as the so-called Islamic State, also known as ISIL or ISIS, are misguided and should reverse course.

Last week, key clerics from the Muslim world issued two fatwas, or religious edicts, against the group.

One came from senior religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, and the other came from bin Bayyah. His fatwa calls for dialogue about the true tenets of Islam and, over the course of many pages, questions just about everything for which ISIS says it stands. The fatwa says establishing a caliphate by force is a misreading of religious doctrine. Killing of innocents and violence, the fatwa declares, are wrong too.

www.nationalreview.com...

British Muslims are speaking out in a social-media campaign called #NotInMyName, which aims not only to oppose the Islamic State but to dispel frequent criticisms that Muslim populations stay silent in the face of Islamist terror.

The British organization Active Change Foundation (ACF) launched the campaign with a video called “#NotInMyName: ISIS Does Not Represent British Muslims.” Reasons given by the British citizens include “Because your leader is a liar” and “Because my religion promotes tolerance for women and you have no respect for women.”

www.cbsnews.com...

PARIS -- In tweets, in street gatherings and in open letters, moderate Muslims around the world are insisting that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) extremists don't speak for their religion. Many are also frustrated that anyone might think they do, and a backlash has already begun.

www.slate.com...

More than 120 Muslim leaders and scholars have co-signed an open letter to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, leader of ISIS, arguing the Islamic State caliphate's establishment and practices are not legitimate in Islam. The letter includes a technical point-by-point criticism of ISIS' actions and ideology based on the Quran and classical religious texts. From Religion News Service:

On Facebook;

www.facebook.com...

countercurrentnews.com...

They’ve said it dozens of times on the air at Fox News: “Why aren’t Muslims protesting against ISIS?” The rhetorical question is asked as though the foregone conclusion is that Muslims in fact all support ISIS, or simply don’t see the terror group and self-described “Islamic State” as a real problem that needs to be confronted.

This line of Neo-Conservative rhetoric is further meant to underline just how unfairly the person posing this polemic question believes Israel is being treated by Muslims. The implication is that Israel is the sole target of Muslim outrage, while ISIS is given a free pass.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Even though the hawks continue to ignore such protests and statements against ISIS, they are very real throughout the Muslim world, including in the West. Last week, a massive demonstration in Dearborn, Michigan, a city which is home to one of United States’ largest Muslim populations, the Islamic community united in one voice to denounce ISIS as “enemies of humanity.”

The local Detroit Free Press reports that “Muslim leaders gathered Monday on the steps of Dearborn City Hall to strongly condemn ISIS, saying the militant group in Iraq and Syria doesn’t represent Islam or Muslims.”

I found these articles with only the most cursory of searches, and there are a lot more links. Before people accuse all Muslims of being part of some Fifth Column, it would be well worthy of a simple search rather than just reiterating common falsehoods against people of the Islamic faith.

There are plenty of stories about Muslims opposing ISIS. Feel free to add more to this thread if anyone feels inclined to.

I'm sure there's many more examples. Most Muslims are regular people who happen to believe in a different religion. They just want to live their lives, be free and be able to survive their bills, responsibilities, etc.

In the Middle East I can imagine many are afraid to speak up, over here many won't listen (the political posts on facebook syndrome: many just skip past them). S + F, plenty of people willing to speak out for what's right.

They're only saying that because they're sacred of america... And besides, sunni and shiitte, there are no secs in Islam... The Quran forbids that.

These rare exceptions to the rule are most likely a product of CAIR trying to keep Americans fooled about the true EVIL of Islam.

I am not buying a couple of pictures to offset the preponderance of evidence that most followers of this religion are either directly responsible for extremism or are complicit through their inaction.

#NotBuyingTheBS

originally posted by: Metallicus
These rare exceptions to the rule are most likely a product of CAIR trying to keep Americans fooled about the true EVIL of Islam. I am not buying a couple of pictures to offset the preponderance of evidence that most followers of this perverse religion are either directly responsible for extremism or are complicit through their inaction.

#NotBuyingTheBS

Yes, rare exceptions.

www.dailymail.co.uk... slamic-State-barbarism.html

www.huffingtonpost.ca...

www.washingtontimes.com...

rt.com...

thinkprogress.org...

www.patheos.com...

twitchy.com...

And I'm only on the second page of google links.

I've made many threads about exactly that, they're not very popular on ATS...

The vast majority of Muslims are completely agains ISIS's "Islam" ideology.
In fact, ISIS are trying very hard to destroys Islam and Muslims. It breaks my heart that Islam is associated to these barbaric monsters. It's even more heartbreaking when non-Muslims paint all Muslims with the same brush, but of course there will always be gullible idiots.

Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Jews are bad. Not all Christians are bad, even if that's obvious to even a 4 year old, it needs to be repeated constantly. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

I try not to hate, but I sure hate what the extremists so called Muslims have done so far, it's so horrible that I fear peaceful Muslims are and will be the first victims of their barbarism.

a reply to: cuckooold
It's a good start........ the silent majority of Muslims need to all speak up. I'm sure most Germans and Russians under Hitler and Stalin stayed silent.

Here are some more:

www.freemuslims.org...

www.m-a-t.org...

muslimsagainstterror.com...

www.thedailybeast.com...

If I was a betting man I'd wager most Muslims are against ISIS. They're mostly afraid to speak out over there.

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
If I was a betting man I'd wager most Muslims are against ISIS. They're mostly afraid to speak out over there.

THAT is what makes them complicit.

When good people do nothing then evil succeeds.

a reply to: Metallicus

Then all Americans are complicit for going along with the government's bondage. How many times have people around the world decided to take it instead of standing up? Everyday, millions of times.

Everybody is complicit in the evil that runs this world. Either fear, feeling like we have no choice, willful ignorance, whatever, we're all responsible for this mess.

Over there it's fear of losing your head, here it's fear of losing your home, money, possessions, way of life, etc. The world is full of fear and we're guilty no matter where we are.

originally posted by: samsamm9
Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Jews are bad. Not all Christians are bad, even if that's obvious to even a 4 year old, it needs to be repeated constantly. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

What exactly is the ratio of Christians / Jews killing people as opposed to Muslims? I would be very curious to see who in the modern world still thinks these three religions are even in the same ballpark.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: samsamm9
Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Jews are bad. Not all Christians are bad, even if that's obvious to even a 4 year old, it needs to be repeated constantly. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

What exactly is the ratio of Christians / Jews killing people as opposed to Muslims? I would be very curious to see who in the modern world still thinks these three religions are even in the same ballpark.

Since you don't seem to get the point ...
Ok. Let's play this game.

Is America, the UK, France considered Christian ?

originally posted by: samsamm9

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: samsamm9
Not all Muslims are bad. Not all Jews are bad. Not all Christians are bad, even if that's obvious to even a 4 year old, it needs to be repeated constantly. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in.

What exactly is the ratio of Christians / Jews killing people as opposed to Muslims? I would be very curious to see who in the modern world still thinks these three religions are even in the same ballpark.

Since you don't seem to get the point ...
Ok. Let's play this game.

Is America, the UK, France considered Christian ?

No, you completely avoided answering my question and posted nonsense.

There are whack jobs in every religion. But I think that Judaism and Christianity and many other religions have evolved over the centuries.

The whack-a-doodles of Islam, want to take us back a few centuries.

Many Shia and Sunni see that Deash are the old ways and a step back and are now just starting to find their voice. But it is only because they are threatened.

When Saudi Arabia allows other places of worship on their soil, then, and only then, will I believe that Islam is starting to evolve.

But until then, I still think that Islam is a backwards religion, with backwards followers. Just my opinion.

But Islam is not just about religion. I encourage everyone to do their own research on Islam. The five pillars, and in some cases six pillars of Islam. It's all encompassing and leaves no room for error. Nor forgiveness in the case of Sharia law.

a reply to: cuckooold

In Calgary, where we have the largest mosque in North America, we do have one Iman speaking out and working to educate people as well as trying to stop ISIS recruitments here:

Syed Soharwardy

www.calgarysun.com...

Everyone is welcome to see Canada’s largest Baitun Nur mosque complex - 48,000 sq.ft built by the Ahmadiyya Muslim community in East Calgary. This unique Calgary landmark is one of the largest in North America and the largest in Calgary. It has become a gathering place for all cultures and religions. Open for public worship and prayer. Daily prayers - visit website for prayer times. On Fridays, more than 1,600 worshippers congregate here. The Ahmadiyyas follow the teachings of Muhammad, Jesus, Confucius, Buddha and Abraham. Join in on a tour. Multilingual programs. Private bookings and meetings for up to 500 people in the adjoining community centre. Dining hall and full service kitchen on-site. Multi-purpose gym available to groups. Library. Bookstore. Two annual festivals. This is a must see when you visit the city.

Imam Syed Badiuddin Soharwardy (b. 1955 in Karachi) is chairman of the Al-Madinah Calgary Islamic Assembly and is the founder and current president of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada. In January 1998 he was a founding member of the group Muslims Against Terrorism.

P.S. I am not Muslim but I can see the difference: my neighbours that I adore could not be more peace loving and inspiring. On the other hand you have these extremists, ISIS. Just as with Christianity (my faith) there are varying degrees of following the example of Jesus or using that faith for your own personal gain, etc.

a reply to: TDawgRex

If people would only open their eyes and see there is no god, we shouldn't have these stupid religion problems to begin with. Christian church with it's child rape that is/was epidemic throughout the clergy around the world it seams. Islamic imams preaching hatred while others look on in ignorance around the world, knowing what is to come. Jews acting like Nazis, cheering as they bomb heavily populated areas without any concern for the innocent. The whole time of course they all believe that this God person is backing them and that they are all peaceful.

a reply to: Metallicus

Where in the Christian religion does it say violence should be answered with violence? Where does it say that beheadings should be responded to with tomohawk missiles and predator drone strikes? Oh that's right, it doesn't. It says the opposite of that.

My understading of the teachings of Jesus: LOVE. He tried to teach people to love each other, including loving your enemies, and forgiving them if they have done wrong? Am i missing something there? Responding to extreme violence with more extreme violence is pretty much the opposite of what that man taught his followers.

And how about fundamentalism? Ever heard of the Westboro Baptist Church or the KKK? They're 'Christians' too, eh? Some where along the line they seem to have strayed quite a bit away from their faith. Typically, modern Christians do not act anything like their prophet. Maybe all Christians should be killed because some of their priests sexually abuse innocent children? By your logic the vast majority of the US armed forces using violence against Muslims would justify killing all Christians. It's completely unacceptable.

Furthermore, Muslims revere and respect Jesus, and tell the story of his virgin birth, among other things IN THE QURAN.

(Remember) when the angels said, “O Mary, God gives you good news of a word from Him (God), whose name is the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, revered in this world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (to God). He will speak to the people from his cradle and as a man, and he is of the righteous.” She said, “My Lord, how can I have a child when no mortal has touched me?” He said, “So (it will be). God creates what He wills. If He decrees a thing, He says to it only, ‘Be!’ and it is.” (Quran, 3:45-47)

There is a defining difference between extremeism and a practicioner of religion. The basic tenets of morality and goodness echo through out all religious texts from the Vedas of the ancient Hindu, the Quran, and the Bible. They are guides on how to live one's life and can be corrupted by fundamentalism. There are terrible Christians, just as there are terrible Muslims. To demonize an entire group of people MILLIONS of people ove the actions of a small percentage of them is flat out, unequivically wrong.

originally posted by: Metallicus

originally posted by: Yeahkeepwatchingme
If I was a betting man I'd wager most Muslims are against ISIS. They're mostly afraid to speak out over there.

THAT is what makes them complicit.

When good people do nothing then evil succeeds.

Same thing could be said about Europeans and the Holocaust ?

originally posted by: weirdguy
a reply to: TDawgRex

If people would only open their eyes and see there is no god, we shouldn't have these stupid religion problems to begin with. Christian church with it's child rape that is/was epidemic throughout the clergy around the world it seams. Islamic imams preaching hatred while others look on in ignorance around the world, knowing what is to come. Jews acting like Nazis, cheering as they bomb heavily populated areas without any concern for the innocent. The whole time of course they all believe that this God person is backing them and that they are all peaceful.

I'm atheist myself but im also tired of reading posts that blame religion for everything bad in this world.
No the religion is not the problem, human species are.
i bet that if we eradicated religion we would still be fighting over ethnicity, nationality, race, resources etc.