Kristallnacht : A warning from history

originally posted by: daaskapital...What matters is that people are falling for BS propaganda and are beginning to condemn the average Muslim...

I hardly think that what is happening at the moment is 'propaganda' and for goodness sake please give people so credit for not being completely retarded.

An 18 year old ki unfurled an ISIS flag in a shopping centre up the road from me last week. He was politely called to meet with friendly police to explain that he wasn't a nut bar radical and the cops were met with a visit to hospital with multiple stab wounds. The kids dies from gunshot wounds after they protected themselves and the muslim community here were up in arms over it as though everyone is against them and the cops did it on purpose.

An 18 year old muslim stabs police almost to death and the police get the blame. I can't help but think that if he blew something up, the whole city would get the blame.

a reply to: neformore

This wasn't a dig towards anyone in particular just towards those who post those statements similar to what daaskapital mentioned.


Ignorance breeds hatred, Even a supposedly well read person can be ignorant, it all depends on what one is filling their head with.

Garbage in, Garbage out

a reply to: Zaphod58

Freedom of religion stops when you want to kill me.

a reply to: daaskapital

AND I was saying that the comparison is not logical or true IMO.

Radical Muslims ARE engaged in terrible acts where as the Jews were not. Also the Jews were only subject to that level of hate and persecution towards them in Germany at the time. Although antisemitism is as old as dirt and as wide spread as air, in the US for example (and the world) there were all sorts of protests and boycotts for German Goods because of the persecution they were subject to BEFORE the war.

I will not turn a blind eye and have MY MORALITY used to somehow show solidarity with murderers and rapists.

I dont hate Islam or Muslims. I do want to see every last radical Muslim dead. I dont care what you think when I say that. I know better.

I will not give them a free pass just because there are good people in the fold. I am ashamed of racist white people. I wish they would all die too. That doesnt mean I will try to shut down a protest of racism or those addressing white racism just because I am not. Truth be told...there are white racists. I agree. They should all be persecuted and killed. I dont care.

In the same spirit radical Muslims should be spoken of as they are. The good in their faith arent a golden ticket for them to exist. Moderate Muslims should accept that until the radicals are a thing of the past that they will have to deal with this. Same way I will have to just live my life while minorities in the world are pissed off about being treated badly. THEY ARE RIGHT to be pissed.

a reply to: tadaman
His (her?) entire purpose of the thread has been proven time and time again in the replies. That a perceived threat is used to justify action against a minority group.

Some people here keep repeating that Islam is actually a threat, all muslims are suspect, be fearful of them, etc. The Germans fully believed there was a threat from the Jews. The OP was saying there is a comparison because all in a group were lumped in and thought in the future it would fully be acted upon.

In Mein Kampf Hitler said that he resented the Jews for refusing to fight in the war yet profiteering off the suffering of german soldiers, he believed in business exploitation and such of germans by jews, parasitism of the state with a lack of loyalty.

Many people modern day believe muslims arent real americans, all muslims want to kill all of us, they hate freedom, etc (and you can check fox news or even ats comments for this)... and all people do is say "except this time it's justified because muslims did ____". Just like the Germans dismissed incredulity by saying "but the jews did _____."

The fact of the matter is that there are extremist muslims who commit atrocities, and there were jews who profiteered off the suffering of german soldiers, but to say that justifies typifying groups of people (not saying you do this) is wrong. The OP was making a comparison that a wrongdoing occurred, and people used it to justify persecution/hatred.

The irony keeps going way over posters' heads.

a reply to: neformore

Perhaps...I too am guilty of not reading the entire OP.....however that was due to disagreeing with your analysis.....not in it's entirety but perhaps it's veracity.....

By stating "reading comprehension or hatred" you become guilty of both denigration and prejudice.....perhaps instead one should chalk it up to differences of opinion and realize that the battle for common ground is never won by a lack of certain perspectives....

Thank you for your sincerity
I do think you have some valid points to be made.



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originally posted by: BasementWarriorKryptonite

originally posted by: daaskapital...What matters is that people are falling for BS propaganda and are beginning to condemn the average Muslim...

I hardly think that what is happening at the moment is 'propaganda' and for goodness sake please give people so credit for not being completely retarded.

An 18 year old ki unfurled an ISIS flag in a shopping centre up the road from me last week. He was politely called to meet with friendly police to explain that he wasn't a nut bar radical and the cops were met with a visit to hospital with multiple stab wounds. The kids dies from gunshot wounds after they protected themselves and the muslim community here were up in arms over it as though everyone is against them and the cops did it on purpose.

Yes, i know what happened......

An 18 year old muslim stabs police almost to death and the police get the blame. I can't help but think that if he blew something up, the whole city would get the blame.

Look, of course the Muslim community would be concerned for the death of a Muslim boy. Yes, they probably should have been more cautious in their choice of words, but they have also called for an investigation of the incident.

Regardless of that specific incident though, people are still generalising Muslims, and it is getting progressively worse. Especially in Australia, where tensions are now soaring. Society as a whole needs to understand that not all Muslims are bad; and in doing so, needs to reach out to these communities and engage in communication.

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

So all Muslims want to kill you?

No, there is no panic.

It is just amusing that radical muslims behaving like Nazis and don't conceal their ultimate goal, that they want to conquer all world. Western population is like jews, that saying, don't worry, those are only "extremist", we will be fine, it can not be that all Germans (muslims) are such evil.

This thread is an expression of "Stokholm syndrome" at its best.

a reply to: Ridhya

But it isnt similar. What the OP and you are so shocked about is HUMAN NATURE and can be used to make similar yet untrue comparisons throughout written history.

In the same fashion, blacks today are too sensitive about white racism. JUST LIKE NAZI GERMANY there are persecutions and all sorts of foul words exchanged about white people like the jews were subject to. Should we look to more concerted efforts towards protecting white people from blacks just because some of them are pissed and looking for solutions?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Where did I say that?

a reply to: tadaman

You are being deliberately obtuse.

No where in this thread have I argued that radical muslims should be tolerated. No where. No one has suggested that you should "turn a blind eye and have MY MORALITY used to somehow show solidarity with murderers and rapists. "

What do you think this - from my Op means?

I understand that there are people out there in the world who wish to do others harm, under the guise of a perversion of a religion. I get that. I don't want to see those people in my world. I have no problem whatsoever with the armed forces of any nation being used to bring cold blooded killers to justice. None at all.

What I have said is that all muslims are not radicals, and those who are not do not deserve to be treated with the same rhetoric that the Nazi's used against the jews, as appears to be a growing trend.

I assume you are simply trolling the thread, because I refuse to believe that an intelligent person, after reading all I've written here, can't understand that point.

a reply to: neformore

I know you didnt defend radical Muslims. I also DIDN'T condemn moderate Muslims.

SOOOOO??!!

a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Then don't Muslims get freedom of religion too? Yes there are radicals, just are there are radical Christians, and radical Jews. But somehow it's different when Muslims are involved.

originally posted by: daaskapital
Look, of course the Muslim community would be concerned for the death of a Muslim boy. Yes, they probably should have been more cautious in their choice of words, but they have also called for an investigation of the incident.

Yes, they really should start thinking about choosing their words more carefully. I think that's the very least that can be said. They called for an investigation as a knee-jerk reaction, believing that it was going to be a case of police targeting a muslim kid for no reason and they are going to have to deal with the results of what we are know is the truth.

People are going to generalise - it's a fact of life. I just don't agree with these threads that are trying to paint a picture of everyone freaking out as though it's a muslim witch hunt. It's as bad as generalising that all muslims are bad and very insulting.

I think the muslim community here should be less concerned with a boy's death who happened to be muslim and more concerned with the fact that he premeditated to murder two cops.


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a reply to: Zaphod58

It's liable to stay different until Christians and Jews start beheading people that don't agree with them, in the name of their religion...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Then don't Muslims get freedom of religion too? Yes there are radicals, just are there are radical Christians, and radical Jews. But somehow it's different when Muslims are involved.

Look - how much freedom of religion do we allow before we just make a call to ISIS and say hey guys come on in? Let's not hinder their religion.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: BasementWarriorKryptonite

Then don't Muslims get freedom of religion too? Yes there are radicals, just are there are radical Christians, and radical Jews. But somehow it's different when Muslims are involved.

Radical Jews and Christians are tiny minority, but radical muslims are very very big number.

a reply to: Zaphod58

But somehow it's different when Muslims are involved.

It is different because with this black flag they have already killed a lot and going to kill even more.
And yes, it is very similar to how Islam propagated at the beginning. So, we have precedents what will happen if go unchecked this time.

a reply to: semperfortis

So it's ok for a Christian to walk into church and gun down a doctor, in the name of his religion?

I haven't seen the Christians condemned got that and other events.