A number of American conservatives hate the world

Originally posted by Kidfinger
LostSailor, Ok, I�m going to do what you refuse to do. I�m going to get in depth and really show you why Bush is a certifiable idiot. First, Ill start with social security that you claim Bush has fixed.

So... you throw out some quotes from an article written by Dean Baker... the same guy who wrote an article predicting the economy was going to crash back in August '04...................... Need I say more? The guy is a liberal, of course he's going to bash anything the President does....

Now lets look at a few of your baseless comments.

But God forbid a liberal do anything that might have a possibility of making him look bad.

Wasn't Clinton a liberal??? Well, I guess he did do something that made him look bad but that wasn't what I meant by that comment.

That would go against the whole idea of them being an elite party.

Again, wrong party.

I'm sorry, I should hae said intellectually elite party

We all know that Liberals know whats best for everyone else and thats why they want people to believe in them over any other higher being. They want to be that higher being!

Now you are confusing Liberals with Bush himself. That megalomaniac will stop at nothing till he is worshiped all over the world. Very Hitleresque in his warmongering actions.

If he wanted to be worshiped by the rest of the world we would have bowed down to the UN and left a ruthless dictator that mass murdered his people in power. You're losing credibility by compairing Bush to Hitler. Very childish and small minded. How old are you? No seriously I want to make sure I'm not arguing with a teenager here.

You don't think Bush really believes in God? Why is that? Because he's a politician? No really... Why is it so hard for you to accept that Bush might really be a religious man?

Because he uses it for political gain when it clearly states in the constitution that church and state are separate and will remain so.

Maybe you should read up on this seperation of church and state before using it to argue this point.

As long as One believes in the Word of God he'll go to heaven... so that pretty much shoots down your idea of him going to hell... Although I'll bet God does have something to say about jealousy, spitefulness, hate, and loathing.

You must be Catholic. Go read the bible again and tell me what sentence God hands down to murderers.

Nope... not Catholic. Haven't been to church in like 8 years. I was/am Luthern. So every soldier in Iraq fighting for their freedom is going to go to hell? Wait, we should have just kept talking to the guy.... yeah right... get real!

Don�t hand me that holier than thow crap. Its BS

But it smells like roses!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it appears I have blown your thoughts of our president full of holesJ Have fun believing the lie and following in Hitler�s footsteps.

Nope, nothing I haven't heard before... again you're losing credibility with that Hitler nonsense.

Edit : Forgot to deal with you tax cuts

I will address them if need be.

No need to man... I already know everything you could say... It's like a script for you libs.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Well, I guess we could go with the liberal alternative, that is, raising the retirement age to 80...

That is just one of the many alternatives. Please do some research before you make baseless claims.

The young are not the very people that need it. They have their entire working lives to invest wisely.

Thats just it. They wont have anything to save! The economy is NOT getting better. The well paying job market is NOT on the rise. And investments are loseing hold for a savings alternative.

That happens to be your particular experience. There are many profitable private investments. .

That is not just my personal experience. Stocks are down from 8 years ago. Thats a fact.

It's not only the wealthy that pass on to their children. Thousands of people die suddenly, every day. What happens to their contributions?

If a child under 18 has a parent that dies, that child recieves SS benifits untill the age of 18. Didnt know that did you?

LostSailor, is that the best you can do? The article contained information that was true, regardless of who wrote it. Agian, not denying ignorance is bad for you.

You ought to try to back up your calims, its you who has lost the cred

Originally posted by Kidfinger
LostSailor, is that the best you can do? The article contained information that was true, regardless of who wrote it. Agian, not denying ignorance is bad for you.

No the credibility of the author is a huge factor in determining what type of spin he puts on his articles. You should try denying spin for a change there kid.

Originally posted by Otts
Since there's a thread about how, apparently, Liberals hate America, I thought it was only fair (especially not being an American) to post a thread with the flipside - which is that a number of American conservatives seem to hate or despise the rest of the world.

Thanks for this thread Otts, at least you have the gusts to point out something that is getting tiresome and old.

Yes, I agree with you some people tend to be blind about our administration and even when they know how wrong it really is, they vent their frustrations on despising and hating not only their fellow Americans that told them so, but also the rest of the world. (Pitiful)

Especially those countries that don't happen to give their blessing to anything the U.S. does.

Funny how truth is that quote, most countries around the world can see what is going on with the present administration of the US, but when they tried to show disapproval, they get scorn and look at as inferiors not only by the present administration but also by the so call "patriotic" brain washed followers.

Obviously, the greatest example is France. No matter what may have happened with the Oil-for-food scandal, instead of hating French politicians, some Americans have taken to hating the French as a whole.

This one is the funniest of all, the present administration has not problem pointing fingers to other countries but it forgets that past administrations are as guilty as any other country in the world.

And I apologized as an American for the hateful comments on the French people but you can see how the mentality of the few is so influence what our government feed them, is all propaganda.

The same way you have to understand that is not the entire US the ones doing the name calling and finger pointing but just a few misguide and hateful souls.

Which leads to other aberrations, such as despising Canada (as Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson so deftly do) because A) some of us speak French, and B) because apparently, since we're getting help from the U.S. in the area of defense and protection, we shouldn't bark unless they ask us to... and disagreeing is apparently a big no-no.

And all these is nothing more than propaganda at his best. But you are right, the way it looks right now with the present administration it sure looks like trying to bring any country that disagree with Mr. Bush to its knees.

Sometimes I feel ashame of the spiteful comments made against other nations just for taking a stand on their views.

Others... Germany, Russia, Spain (obviously - they put an evil Socialist in power and he took the Spanish armies out of Iraq, what a lot of Spaniards were demonstrating for anyway), Mexico (for various reasons - the illegal immigrants, but also Fox's stance against the war)...

Well what can I said US and its administration is not perfect but we sure can do better when it comes to chose our leaders after all the actions and decisions they make affects not only us as Americans but the entire world.

Something that most Americans tried to disregard with their comments, that they don't care about what the rest of the world thinks, well excuse me they do have something to said after all.

So this basically means that conservatives have a problem with half of the G8...

Yes, your are right but they will be darn if they admitted too.

Of course, since those foreign-policy conservatives can't be wrong (they keep talking about the "truth" they hold), it's all these other countries' fault.

Actually they think they hold a "truth" just because Mr. Jesus in the white house tell them so.

And what all these has done to our beautifuly nation, well you only need to look at how our troops has been left by themselves to deal with Iraq, our present administration needs to learn that without the rest of the world to help things can not be accomplish.

Its only one world and many nations, no one nation and one world.

[edit on 14-12-2004 by marg6043]

Originally posted by LostSailor

Originally posted by Kidfinger
LostSailor, is that the best you can do? The article contained information that was true, regardless of who wrote it. Agian, not denying ignorance is bad for you.

No the credibility of the author is a huge factor in determining what type of spin he puts on his articles. You should try denying spin for a change there kid.

If I deny spin, you must deny ignorance and admit Bush is a schmuck. The fact is, though the author may not be to your political allingment, he still speaks the truth.

: As Mankiw suggested, the Bush plan would require a large reduction in the benefits provided by the existing system. A worker who is 20 today would see a cut of approximately one-third in his or her retirement benefit, although workers would theoretically more than recoup this loss by investing a portion of their Social Security taxes in a private account.

This is the truth. I didnt quote the spin, only truth.

: Advocates of private accounts assume that the stock market will give the same returns in the future as it has in the past, even though price-to-earnings ratios in the stock market are far higher now than in the past, and the Social Security trustees project that profits will grow at about half the rate they did in the past. None of the proponents of privatization have yet passed the "no economist left behind test," which asks them to show the set of dividend yields and stock price increases that add up to the stock returns they assume in their analysis.

Agian, no spin, only truth.

: Under Bush's plan, workers will even be able to pass their private accounts on to their children, which raises the same problem. If the account will be there to support a worker's retirement, then the money can't also be passed down to children. While a small number of wealthy people may be in a position of not needing their accounts, creating this opt-out option will add further to the administrative costs for everyone--reducing benefits by another 5 to 10 percent, according to an extensive body of research.

Agian, for the third time, no spin, only truth.

I have examined my claims and found them to be free of spin. Other parts of the article may had a touch from the spin doctor, but what I quoted did not. I have denied the spin, can you admit that Bush is an idiot?

Well LostSailor, I know you have seen my reply, so can you admit Bush is a schmuck since I denied the spin? Oh, and does it suck that you really arnt a Liberal Tamer? More like a Conservative chin scratcher

Originally posted by Kidfinger

Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, I guess we could go with the liberal alternative, that is, raising the retirement age to 80...

That is just one of the many alternatives. Please do some research before you make baseless claims.

It is not a baseless claim. Raising the retirement age is a stated patch. That is a fact. Don't get your jaw all tightened because I point out a fact.

The young are not the very people that need it. They have their entire working lives to invest wisely.

Thats just it. They wont have anything to save! The economy is NOT getting better. The well paying job market is NOT on the rise. And investments are loseing hold for a savings alternative.

First of all, they contribute x% to SS. A portion of that x% is available for them to invest. So they do have something to save. It's almost a forced savings. The US has one of the worst savings records, so this is a step in the right direction.

Next, the economy is on the rise. You can ignore that fact, but it is true.

Financial report today stated that 1 of 3 hi tech firms plan to add jobs next year.

That happens to be your particular experience. There are many profitable private investments. .

That is not just my personal experience. Stocks are down from 8 years ago. Thats a fact.

I didn't say that it was exclusively your experience, now did I? I know lots of folks who have made money consistently in the market.

It's not only the wealthy that pass on to their children. Thousands of people die suddenly, every day. What happens to their contributions

If a child under 18 has a parent that dies, that child recieves SS benifits untill the age of 18. Didnt know that did you?

I certainly did know that. Makes no difference. What if the child is 17 1/2 when the father dies? What happens to the lifetime of contributions he made?

Liberals like you are afraid that giving people more control over their lives means less power that you can wield over them. Cradle to grave, the socialist method of having Big Brother take care of the people.:shk:

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Well LostSailor, I know you have seen my reply, so can you admit Bush is a schmuck since I denied the spin? Oh, and does it suck that you really arnt a Liberal Tamer? More like a Conservative chin scratcher

Again, how old are you? Oh wait it doesn't matter because all liberals tend to act like 15 year olds. They all liked living under their parents protecction so much that now they need the government taking care of them as adults. No Bush ain't a smuck bro. I'd like to show you the means I usually employ in taming liberals... Where'd you say you live at again?

We will always have those who can't wait to apologize, apologize to France and the rest of the world that hate not only our administration but the American people themselves:

At least seven in 10 in France, Germany and Spain said they have an unfavorable view of President Bush. Just over half of the French and Germans said they have an unfavorable view of Americans in general, and about half of Spaniards felt that way.

www.foxnews.com...

Oh we are so sorry for being born, Mr. Chirac. Please, allow us to kiss your feet.
and allow you back into Iraq to steal more money from the Iraqi people with your friend and fellow American hater Kofi Annan.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by Kidfinger

Originally posted by jsobecky
Well, I guess we could go with the liberal alternative, that is, raising the retirement age to 80...

That is just one of the many alternatives. Please do some research before you make baseless claims.

It is not a baseless claim. Raising the retirement age is a stated patch. That is a fact. Don't get your jaw all tightened because I point out a fact.

You pointed out one of many 'patches' to SS. agian, please do the research befor you make baseless claims. You dont know what your talking about.

The young are not the very people that need it. They have their entire working lives to invest wisely.

Thats just it. They wont have anything to save! The economy is NOT getting better. The well paying job market is NOT on the rise. And investments are loseing hold for a savings alternative.

First of all, they contribute x% to SS. A portion of that x% is available for them to invest. So they do have something to save. It's almost a forced savings. The US has one of the worst savings records, so this is a step in the right direction.

Next, the economy is on the rise. You can ignore that fact, but it is true.

Financial report today stated that 1 of 3 hi tech firms plan to add jobs next year.

FORCED SAVINGS? And you say Liberals want to controle everyones life? Dellusional. The economy is NOT on a rise. Look agian at the economic analysis for this nation. Well paing jobs are on the decline because of outsourcing of our manufacturing jobs. The only jobs left for the majority of people are mim. wage positions. The reason the economy looks better on paper is one person is working two jobs just to make it. So the economy is NOT on the rise.
1 of three firms plan to hire people? so what are they going to add? 1 firm, even the largest could only offer 1000 to 3000 jobs next year. But for a conservative, Im sure you see thes as an economic boon

That happens to be your particular experience. There are many profitable private investments. .

That is not just my personal experience. Stocks are down from 8 years ago. Thats a fact.

I didn't say that it was exclusively your experience, now did I? I know lots of folks who have made money consistently in the market.

Doesnt chaange the fact that the stock market is down and money for the most part is not to be made there by the average person.

It's not only the wealthy that pass on to their children. Thousands of people die suddenly, every day. What happens to their contributions

If a child under 18 has a parent that dies, that child recieves SS benifits untill the age of 18. Didnt know that did you?

I certainly did know that. Makes no difference. What if the child is 17 1/2 when the father dies? What happens to the lifetime of contributions he made?

Im not a congressman so its not up to me to make this decesion. You can whine and complain all you want, but this is the ONLY decent aspect of the whole SS overhaul deal

Liberals like you are afraid that giving people more control over their lives means less power that you can wield over them. Cradle to grave, the socialist method of having Big Brother take care of the people.:shk:

Befor you start throwing stones in a glass house, the REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES are the ones trying to pass bills to take away every right you have in the constitution. The REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES are the ones giving tax cuts to the rich and raising the taxes to the poor. The REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVES are the ones trying to mix church and state even though it is expressly forbidden in the constitution Dont give me those childish lies from the republican side. They make me sick

Originally posted by LostSailor

Originally posted by Kidfinger
Well LostSailor, I know you have seen my reply, so can you admit Bush is a schmuck since I denied the spin? Oh, and does it suck that you really arnt a Liberal Tamer? More like a Conservative chin scratcher

Again, how old are you? Oh wait it doesn't matter because all liberals tend to act like 15 year olds. They all liked living under their parents protecction so much that now they need the government taking care of them as adults. No Bush ain't a smuck bro. I'd like to show you the means I usually employ in taming liberals... Where'd you say you live at again?

Im 32 and I live in Louisville Ky punk, come and tame me. 3553 Versaills lane. If you have the nuts, I have the attitude adjustment. I would say with the way you have been replying, IE, nothing to back up your claims, sinking to vague threats. Your just like Bush. Ive given you my info on where to find me. I look forward to a visit from a schmuck lover.

Oh,and jsobecky, way to go quoteing fox news Fair and balanced? Yeah right

[edit on 12/15/04 by Kidfinger]

[edit on 12/15/04 by Kidfinger]

Dude... whats the point in replying to someone as ignorant as yourself... It doesn't matter, if someone disagrees with you be-little them and blatently try and piss them off. But thats probably how a guy with no life gets his jollies. Make sure you wash your panties after you blow that load.

BTW... you shouldn't post addresses on the World Wide Web... There are people out there that can do crazy stuff with just a little info like that... Try using the u2u next time.

Like I said, a fist full of facts shoved somewhere means nothing to a left wing nutter.........

Originally posted by LostSailor
Dude... whats the point in replying to someone as ignorant as yourself... It doesn't matter, if someone disagrees with you be-little them and blatently try and piss them off. But thats probably how a guy with no life gets his jollies. Make sure you wash your panties after you blow that load.

Another conservative copout.

BTW... you shouldn't post addresses on the World Wide Web... There are people out there that can do crazy stuff with just a little info like that... Try using the u2u next time.

If you post a public threat, I will respond publicly as well.

Like I said, a fist full of facts shoved somewhere means nothing to a left wing nutter.........

Where were your facts? your presented nothin but opinions. Another typical conservative chickens#*t copout. You hardliner conservatives are so predectible. When presented with the facts that you dont like, you result to vague threats and childish rhetoric. Please, if this is all you can do, dont respond.

[edit on 12/15/04 by Kidfinger]

Originally posted by Otts
a number of American conservatives seem to hate or despise the rest of the world, especially those countries that don't happen to give their blessing to anything the U.S. does.

The Far-right-wing-nuts hate/fear anyone unlike themselves. Conservatives in the South, for example, will lambaste their Yankee bretheren up North cause they're all "tree-hugging, homo-embracing, french-lovin' wussy LIBERALS! And, well, just cuz they're damm YANKEES. So, friends around the globe, do not feel so bad. I think it's actually FEAR more than hate, to be more specific. And fear is nothing but WEAKNESS personified.

I've been a lifelong conservative Republican (with an open mind). A paradigm shifted for me, though, after 9-11, when I realized the Republican party is just as dirty, if not more (due to their power) than their Democratic counterparts. At this point, I don't give a rat's A double S about being a member of either party. I now see myself as simply being Progressive, willing to vote for whatever candidate is being the most intelligent and straightforward. Oh yeah, and the one who displays the most common sense.

As for hating the world, I don't know what's wrong with me; I love my country, but I also love more than anything, traveling and seeing new cultures and meeting different peoples. I hate no person of a different country b/c of what their government does. And I am fairly confident that the majority of the world feels the same about US citizens and our government. I just hope that citizens the world over know that BushCo. stole this election and that the majority of our citizens know what Bush really is. A warmongering, lying, hypocrital FRAUD.

Which leads to other aberrations, such as despising Canada (as Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson so deftly do

Gawd! Consider the source. Coulter is a rabid, blathering fool. She makes the Republican party look SO bad its ridiculous. If I was a party boss, I'd take the little lady aside and kindly tell her to shut her f***in' pie-hole. Tucker Carleson? He's such a little tool and he doesn't even know it. 'Nuff said.

Others... Germany, Russia, Spain (obviously - they put an evil Socialist in power and he took the Spanish armies out of Iraq
Of course, since those foreign-policy conservatives can't be wrong (they keep talking about the "truth" they hold), it's all these other countries' fault.

Irony of ironies... While Bush blathered on about DEMOCRACY and ridding Iraq of its EEEEVIL diktator, those countries actually listened to the voice of their people and FOR ONCE stood up to the USA. The thing I used to most despise about the whole UN thing was how weak-kneed and cowed they all seemed to be. It is a new day, indeed. I applaud those countries for telling Georgie to go stick it up his rumshaker.
I just wish Americans had shown those kind of cojones and brains before we invaded iraq. Saddam would have still been contained, our economy would have been much better off and so many of our fine men and women in uniform would still be here with us.

To a previous poster...

You cannot make war on terrorism any more than you can make war on an M-16 assault rifle. Quit being so gullible.

Good post otts... I have two sides......

It does appear to be true. I think they would rather bask in their own ignorance then to listen to an opposing view, as if it means #. Opposing viewpoint are automatically deemed incorrect and idiotic.

I know my husband likes to say "# em" everytime an opposing viewpoint comes his way.

How can they preach so wholeheartedly about freedom of speech? Oh wait, that only counts if your on their side.

I can't even play devil's advocate without him getting angry and flustered.
But on the other hand, I can understand that democratic countries are being threatened, i can understand that these "terrorists" pretend to have a cause but really their just thugs and murderers cloaked in patriotism for their religious ideology.
They've been around forever.

I can understand the need to play offense because these guys don't fight fair, they fight cheap and kill innocent people who have nothing to do with military operations.

Why the world can't understand this is beyond me, i'll give my hubby the benefit of the doubt.. I too would be sick and tired of trying to explain over and over again the seriousness of this "battle" of ideologies...

why they call it a war is beyong me also. A war?? who are they at "war" with?
civilian murderers who buy their guns and ammo on the black market?
This is not a war so I will give the world that. But i'd rather be on the freedom side then on the oppressive ideology side that kills innocent people by strapping bombs onto themselves at bus stops... Yes, real heros indeed.

I've gone and fought for this country. I have a very realistic view of this world and of good and evil. Yes, there are bad guys out there who want to kill innocent people. It's never gonna stop, though, until we get real with what causes it. INJUSTICE. POVERTY. INEQUALITY. There are men/women from the great USA (as well) who are just as evil as Saddam Hussein ever was/is. These people hold no allegience to ANY country. Their allegience is to their greed.

We need to get back to realistic foreign policy. We can't just steamroll the globe in search of appointed boogymen. That's how we will wind up on the receiving end of nukes. I, for one, am not afraid of any OSAMA in a cave or whoever. If I'm afraid of anything, it's these idiots pushing Russia and China into a very dangerous alliance. As great as we are, we cannot go it alone with the world's nations stacked against us. Eventually, it will be our ruin. (and there are more ways to wage war than just militarily.)

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
I've gone and fought for this country. I have a very realistic view of this world and of good and evil. Yes, there are bad guys out there who want to kill innocent people. It's never gonna stop, though, until we get real with what causes it. INJUSTICE. POVERTY. INEQUALITY.

Who are the ones that bring injustice, poverty, and inequality, the leaders do. The leaders who either get elected or kill their way to power. All the dictators in the world bring about injustice, poverty, and inequality. Power trippers like the pyramid style type government.

How do you get real with mentally unstable leaders??

There are men/women from the great USA (as well) who are just as evil as Saddam Hussein ever was/is.

Making excuses for sadam doesn't negate what he did to his OWN people.
Again, getting real with mentally unstable leaders is an impossible task, remember, them first, civilized innocent people who just want to live in peace last...

These people hold no allegience to ANY country. Their allegience is to their greed.

Sadam Hussein isn't the perfect poster boy for this?

We need to get back to realistic foreign policy. We can't just steamroll the globe in search of appointed boogymen.

Hussein is a boogyman?? Suicde attackers are boogymen? Terrorist cells are boogymen?? North Korean's dictator is a boogyman?

That's how we will wind up on the receiving end of nukes. I, for one, am not afraid of any OSAMA in a cave or whoever. If I'm afraid of anything, it's these idiots pushing Russia and China into a very dangerous alliance. As great as we are, we cannot go it alone with the world's nations stacked against us. Eventually, it will be our ruin. (and there are more ways to wage war than just militarily.)

True, the people who bring about war are the crazy #ers who want to dominate, control, and oppress people into their ideology... That's not cool, and they are the ones who need their asses handed to em on a silver platter...



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Oh,and jsobecky, way to go quoteing fox news Fair and balanced? Yeah right

Kidfinger, give it up. You get your butt handed to you because you're not prepared to debate without getting personal, and then you cry when people challenge you with facts.

You bore me.

Originally posted by jsobecky

Oh,and jsobecky, way to go quoteing fox news Fair and balanced? Yeah right

Kidfinger, give it up. You get your

butt handed to you because you're not prepared to debate without getting personal, and then you cry when people challenge you with facts.

You bore me.

What are you talking about? Are you looking in a mirror? LostSailor made the personal remark first. I responded to him in kind. My butt... did NOT get handed to me. I do believe I presented facs, and countered every opinion given to me, sinse they were opinions, and not facts, it was easy to do. I presented the facts, and backed them up with some proof. I was offered opinions by some over driven conservatives here, and showed thats just what they were. There was NO corralating material to back up your claims. I presented mine. Now rant some more how one lone Liberal was ganed up on by two hardliner conservatives, and gave it to them BOTH on a platter