Where are all the Aliens? (Video)

originally posted by: dodol
a reply to: Mr Mask

hi MM
thanks for another of ur vids!
love ur singing, sounds very original to me.

i'm also open to many possibilities, esp 'maybe we are alone in this physical universe'.

the video reminds me of few years ago when there were so many ideas or possibilities of hostile 'aliens' who would invade our homeworld, nuke every city with laser beam or stealing our resources.
but those ideas (recently) contradict themselves if we see how we trashed our homeworld, by littering her with chemical waste, and radiation, and milking her resources non-stop.
and this question shd pop up in head if we are aware of this fact: why would they be interested to invade our home that is slowly becoming wastelands through most of our actions?

peace

First off thank you for the kind words on my vids. Nice comments like that motivates me to produce more. So really, thank you!

As for the idea that aliens wouldn't want our planet after we are destroying it. Hey, that seems as possible as any other answer people give. I can see them looking at our messed up Earth and saying to themselves "look, 44 thousand lightyears to the left there is a better planet with better life and its clean. Lets go eat them instead". lol.

What I do not get is "why do we see zero sign of technological disturbance" in the cosmos.

Dyson spheres, Dyson trees, explosions from giant space wars, signals from species as advanced as ours or more, signs of Von Neumann probes or self replicating machines sent on endless missions, etc etc.

Its easy to think up countless reasons why aliens may not "intentionally" say hello. But that does very little to say why we can see unintentional evidence of technology across the universe if intelligence is popular within it.


PS- here is a good lecture on what I mean by technology we should be able to see.
MM

Oh, they are there alright. All around us. When they decide to let you in on their secret

there will be no doubt in your mind, either.

Until then, "looking for them" reminds me of this image…

Like trying to hear radio signals through a Conch Shell.

originally posted by: intrptr
Oh, they are there alright. All around us. When they decide to let you in on their secret

there will be no doubt in your mind, either.

Until then, "looking for them" reminds me of this image…

Like trying to hear radio signals through a Conch Shell.

Tho many folks will say there is evidence of aliens or that its being kept from us (from the government or the aliens themselves). This does not explain why countless signals are not heard from amateur listeners across the world.

People always seem to skip over the largest part of the Fermi paradox. Its not the question "why do we have no contact"- its "why do we not see billions of blips screaming towards us in the form of ' technological noise'".

Planet earth is so loud we have ZERO option to "hide from those around us" because our tech has made "noise" in all directions. Where are the thousands of species doing the same?

That is the real question. Why do we not see evidence of technology in the sea of space.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask
I think you missed his point.
His point was, we don't hear them because they use (the equivalent of) magic. Something we are incapable of detecting. It's the same premise that allows them to cross light years at will.



It's a variation on "the dog ate my homework." Really, that's how they do it. It must be true because we can't hear them.

a reply to: Mr Mask

its "why do we not see billions of blips screaming towards us in the form of ' technological noise'".

If the Universe has always been there and If there is life elsewhere, then we can except them to have advanced enough to develop technology to hide their communications from us. Earthlings play that game all the time down here.

Super secret radio traffic among elements of government and military try and hide their messages and meaning from "the perceived enemy".

Thats why I used the cartoon analogy. We are tinker toys compared to the real world out there.

Look at this analogy… when we are developing in the womb we are alive but have little understanding of what is happening all around us outside in the real world.

Same with two vegetable in a garden debating how they got there and whether gardeners exist or not.

a reply to: intrptr

Super secret radio traffic among elements of government and military try and hide their messages and meaning from "the perceived enemy".

The message and meaning can be hidden. The signal, not so much.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Mr Mask
I think you missed his point.
His point was, we don't hear them because they use (the equivalent of) magic. Something we are incapable of detecting. It's the same premise that allows them to cross light years at will.



It's a variation on "the dog ate my homework." Really, that's how they do it. It must be true because we can't hear them.

PHAGE!!! Honored to see you visit my lil thread here.

I am very interested in what you think the answer to Fermi's question is? I'm aware its not really a "paradox" but it is a very troubling question in my opinion.

Best theories I subscribe to are-

1) Intelligent life rises and falls so quickly in the cosmological blink of an eye that no two line up correctly in space-time to actually meet often.

2) Intelligent life is very very rare for one reason or another and its very unlikely to be close enough to see evidence of technologies that are so far away and rare.

3) There may not be anyone out there (or at least nowhere near us or our galaxy).


I can't tell you howe many times I wished I could milk your brain on many subjects of space. Why do you suspect we don't see evidence of technological "noise" in our local vicinity? I'm truly curious.

MM

a reply to: Phage

It must be true because we can't hear them.

The one I saw didn't make any sound at all.

It was a mile or two from us and as it zipped by at about our eye level (below the valley rim), the speed it was moving at should have made a tremendous roar of rockets or jets or something.

Totally silent.

a reply to: Phage

The message and meaning can be hidden. The signal, not so much.

"…not so much." As far as you know, earthling. Next you'll tell me there is no life elsewhere in the infinite Universe because we haven't seen it.

I've seen it.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Mr Mask

its "why do we not see billions of blips screaming towards us in the form of ' technological noise'".

If the Universe has always been there and If there is life elsewhere, then we can except them to have advanced enough to develop technology to hide their communications from us. Earthlings play that game all the time down here.

Super secret radio traffic among elements of government and military try and hide their messages and meaning from "the perceived enemy".

Thats why I used the cartoon analogy. We are tinker toys compared to the real world out there.

Look at this analogy… when we are developing in the womb we are alive but have little understanding of what is happening all around us outside in the real world.

Same with two vegetable in a garden debating how they got there and whether gardeners exist or not.

Some folks claim that advanced technology can be hidden from our primitive abilities. Ok fair, sure...why not? But that still doesn't explain the total lack of all technological noise.

Ok, fine- lets assume that even 99% of all species using tech in space are "invisible" to our cave tools...this does not explain why we don;t see evidence of their beginnings.

example- Earth...if it survives long enough- will surely find and use these "magical means" you suggest. But for billions of years our technology "before that phase" will still be echoing outward for all ears and eyes to hear and see.

Get me?

The answer is not as easy and a lot of people offhandedly suggest. If it was- it wouldn't confuse so many brilliant minds today.

Lastly- noise is noise. Intelligent or not. We may not understand the noise, but we should detect it if its there. If Einstein jumped in a pool of tadpoles...sure they wouldn't understand his words as he splashed down...but they would surely hear and feel his "disturbance".

MM

Predator in 4 kills ? are you running Hardline?
Looks like your UMP 45 and strike package are beast in MW3
are you playing Ghosts? cuz now I gotta ...thanks a lot!
loved the video
and the Answer...?
All around you.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

It must be true because we can't hear them.

The one I saw didn't make any sound at all.

It was a mile or two from us and as it zipped by at about our eye level (below the valley rim), the speed it was moving at should have made a tremendous roar of rockets or jets or something.

Totally silent.

What you saw was a UFO. You are identifying it. That makes you wrong for doing so.

No evidence says UFOs are alien technology or aliens at all.

Jumping to such a conclusion is very naive and often done by people with little to no knowledge of larger concepts of science and/or technology.

I'm not saying you didn't see something. My mom saw something very clearly and it was very silent. But that was still detected by "biological optics" (eyes). That means- primitive eyes can detect what you saw. So trust advanced technological sensors scanning endless space would easily see it as well.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask

1) Intelligent life rises and falls so quickly in the cosmological blink of an eye that no two line up correctly in space-time to actually meet often.

That's the one I'd go for!.....that and maybe faster than light travel may not be possible, I have no doubt that intelligent life exists somewhere out there, but if it's a billion light years away.....we're never going to be introduced!

a reply to: Mr Mask

example- Earth...if it survives long enough- will surely find and use these "magical means" you suggest. But for billions of years our technology "before that phase" will still be echoing outward for all ears and eyes to hear and see.

How doe we know how far our signals actually reach out there? For all we know they may not even leave the Solar System.

Before you say well, Voyager is that far… no it isn't. And messages from it are beamed into the solar system, not outwards.

Once you eliminate the impossible, all you are left with is the solution. If we can't detect signals from "out there" then thats our problem, not "proof" they don't exist.

a reply to: Mr Mask

Why do you suspect we don't see evidence of technological "noise" in our local vicinity? I'm truly curious.

I am pretty sure they are out there and your list is pretty good. But even with a lack of any real information I can come up with a couple of additional possibilities. I am, btw, pretty sure "they" are out there.

4) They are scared of each other and are being vewy vewy quiet so as to not attract attention. If that were the case it seems unlikely that they would be doing much gallivanting around the galaxy.

5) They utilize tight beam communications (lasers) and we don't happen to be in the way of one of the beams. That would mean they wouldn't be phoning home from here, at least, not two way.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Phage

The message and meaning can be hidden. The signal, not so much.

"…not so much." As far as you know, earthling. Next you'll tell me there is no life elsewhere in the infinite Universe because we haven't seen it.

I've seen it.

You have no proof you "saw" alien life from space.

Even if it landed and told you so while it probed you.

Its very careless to assume a glance of something is legit and really what you first suspect.

Never forget that Moctezuma saw a real life God...he had no idea is was simply Hernán Cortés.

If you are so quick to suggest humans as stupid creatures unable to fathom the truth or see through technological magic...how can you trust your own "eyes" that are hooked up to a very illogical computer (human brain)?

First hand witnesses are the worst form of evidence in all cases. Remember that.

MM

a reply to: intrptr

Next you'll tell me there is no life elsewhere in the infinite Universe because we haven't seen it. I've seen it.

You've seen life elsewhere in the Universe? Where? How did you get there?

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak
Predator in 4 kills ? are you running Hardline?
Looks like your UMP 45 and strike package are beast in MW3
are you playing Ghosts? cuz now I gotta ...thanks a lot!

loved the video
and the Answer...?
All around you.

Always hardline in MW3 for me sir! Low killstreaks are my key to my speed tactics in video game war.

I dislike Ghosts, so I do not play it. But I am ready for Advanced warfare when it finally arrives. can't wait actually.

MM

a reply to: Mr Mask

No evidence says UFOs are alien technology or aliens at all.

No evidence. What I saw was not from here. It wasn't earth technology and yet, was technology. I know thats subjective, I can't prove it to you because like I said in my first reply up the page…

When they decide to let you in on their secret there will be no doubt in your mind, either.

a reply to: Mr Mask
well sir you are amazing. come play ghosts sometime
you'll do just fine!