FBI publishes crime report showing "0" deaths occurred in Newtown in 2012

I find it sort of hilarious, yet scary, that one anecdotal clip of a father laughing before a press conference is definitive proof that 27 people did not die to some people. I'm not going to pretend to know what that guy was thinking at that time; neither should you. When you are the parent of a murdered child and you are about to go into a press conference to talk to the entire nation, then you will have the insight to come tell us that the guy shouldn't laugh about something.

Until then, I've seen enough people use laughing as a coping mechanism at pretty much every funeral I've ever been to, including parents of the deceased, that it doesn't seem out of the ordinary to me. The guy isn't a machine, and although he just suffered the greatest tragedy of his life, he can still display normal human ranges of emotion.

But really it is besides the point to this thread, which is that Infowars is a piece of # that deliberately mislead their readers to generate traffic.

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

I'm done Gaul just try'n to make the point that you can't
ridicule people because their opinion isn't the same as yours.
And I've not disagreed with moving the thread to LOL or
the fact this story is from infowars. Just have'n hard time
understanding your seemingly blind allegiance.

a reply to: nonmagical

I find it sort of hilarious, yet scary, that one anecdotal clip of a father laughing before a press conference is definitive proof that 27 people did not die to some people.

Total redundance in applicable crap strategy strawman weakness.

Gaul

none of that makes any sense to me.

As if that would matter.

a reply to: randyvs

none of that makes any sense to me.

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul
a reply to: 2wheelvet

I know he was laughing - what isn't real is that some how 29 seconds of one person laughing shows that 27 people were not killed.

and yes, you do have problems.

Have you seen any photo/video evidence that any people were killed? Have you seen any of the blood, bullet holes, bodies, or any other evidence to make you think this way? How do you know people were killed, what is your evidence?

a reply to: PraetorianAZ

Connecticut State UCR Reporting - PDF Format



You wont find the stats for Newton. Murder is a felony and is tried at the County level. Check stats for Fairfield County Connecticut. Also its possible the stats never made it to the FBI. UCR reporting is handled by the individual agency. There are a LOT of agencies who do not submit information to the Feds (but do it for the state).

Either way the official Connecticut reporting shows it and specifically notes the 27 deaths as coming from Newton / Sandy Hook.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Precisely.

Why is everybody always so keen to question anything and everything EXCEPT ludicrous self-serving nutbars like Alex Jones? If you say the officials are lying, that apparently makes you immune from scrutiny yourself. Magic!

a reply to: Xcathdra

Also its possible the stats never made it to the FBI. UCR reporting is handled by the individual agency. There are a LOT of agencies who do not submit information to the Feds (but do it for the state).

This does show us that FBI statistics are not good.
Why bother keeping stats that are not complete? Why waste the money?

originally posted by: butcherguy
Why waste the money?

You really want to take away the one thing government is truly good at doing?

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Xcathdra

Also its possible the stats never made it to the FBI. UCR reporting is handled by the individual agency. There are a LOT of agencies who do not submit information to the Feds (but do it for the state).

This does show us that FBI statistics are not good.
Why bother keeping stats that are not complete? Why waste the money?

But the table (which Infowars et al deceptively crop, of course) SPECIFICALLY STATES in the footnote that the Newtown deaths were excluded, and gives a reference to that.

The stats are not "incomplete" at all.

originally posted by: Rob48

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Xcathdra

Also its possible the stats never made it to the FBI. UCR reporting is handled by the individual agency. There are a LOT of agencies who do not submit information to the Feds (but do it for the state).

This does show us that FBI statistics are not good.
Why bother keeping stats that are not complete? Why waste the money?

But the table (which Infowars et al deceptively crop, of course) SPECIFICALLY STATES in the footnote that the Newtown deaths were excluded, and gives a reference to that.

The stats are not "incomplete" at all.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and suppose that you failed to read my entire post:

There are a LOT of agencies who do not submit information to the Feds (but do it for the state).

^^^^ That was what Xcathdra posted. ^^^^^
That was what I was responding to.
If you contend that the Federal statistics are are complete and are not missing anything... take it up with Xcathdra.

Dissect this:
www.dcclothesline.com...



Interesting even if not true.


Sunwolf.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Interesting even if not true.

And that is the biggest problem and why so many people fall for this crap.

originally posted by: Excallibacca

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: signalfire

you want conneticut stats , here :

CT crime stats 2012


edit to add : pg 245 = newton CT

So I went to that document, page 245, and saw the annotation in reference to Murders in Newtown:

3 Does NOT include 27 victims of Newtown mass shooting (see State Police Misc.)

Did State Police have jurisdiction there?

Yes, the FBI does take into account local and State laws and requests when compiling data for that public list.

originally posted by: FlyersFan

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

originally posted by: randyvs
You and those like you are ....

... using common sense and are looking at the facts.
Two dozen people were murdered. To say otherwise is ludicrous.
That's why this thread is in Ludicrous Online Lies.

Done/Out

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

But there are valid questions other than the murder of 26 people. I for one believe there was a mass murder but to censor the investigation by marginalizing it to the LOL threads only adds to the conspiracy and something stinks about this whole affair. The attacks on those seeking more answers, raises questions in and of itself, don't you think? Why this particular case?

a reply to: olaru12

You think this is the only mass murder case that raises this many questions?James Holmes disagrees. So does Timothy McVeigh.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: olaru12

You think this is the only mass murder case that raises this many questions?James Holmes disagrees. So does Timothy McVeigh.

Of course not....

My question concerns the censorship of investigation of anything related or concerning to Sandy Hook. Why is this case so special.

Non disclosure agreement for the conctractor tearing down SH. When has that ever been required?

www.reviewjournal.com...

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Elton

Yep, the sources I have seen said the Aurora and Sandy Hook "tragedies" didn't quite seem to make it into the official database. Go figure.

It's because both events are what would be considered "statistical outliers" from the norm. The FBI crime data is used to measure the overall "state" of an area by many entities. The more murders in an area, the more it can affect how the town/city is represented in terms of criminal activity in general with a whole slew of effects including declining property values. Omitting those events that are outside of the norm of behavior (and mass killings are VERY outside the norm) basically paints a better picture of the actual level of crime, violent crime and murder for a given area. So it is very likely that it was omitted due to statistics.

Outlier defined

originally posted by: Elton

FBI

Wow, that is some mistake!

Is it a mistake though?

Thats the question.

originally posted by: WhiteAlice

originally posted by: Helious
a reply to: Elton

Yep, the sources I have seen said the Aurora and Sandy Hook "tragedies" didn't quite seem to make it into the official database. Go figure.

It's because both events are what would be considered "statistical outliers" from the norm. The FBI crime data is used to measure the overall "state" of an area by many entities. The more murders in an area, the more it can affect how the town/city is represented in terms of criminal activity in general with a whole slew of effects including declining property values. Omitting those events that are outside of the norm of behavior (and mass killings are VERY outside the norm) basically paints a better picture of the actual level of crime, violent crime and murder for a given area. So it is very likely that it was omitted due to statistics.

Outlier defined

So let me get this straight....

You are telling me that they cook the stats?

Tell me something that I dont know.