Americas secret, diabolical reason behind letting illegals in?

Its to drive down wages, period.

Basically we have TOO many people being born and not enough desire on the behalf of the "owners of capital" to employ them all for the sake of having a stable and safe civilization to live in day to day. The owners of capital want more people born, not simply for "growing the future tax base", but for the true purpose of DECREASING overall wages for everyone. More people MEANS less jobs and pay per person, affecting even the educated and highly skilled. Its actually quite simple for the peons/peasants of the world to start having more say in how the world is run. Simply don't have children, nor support those having children and oppose all forms of immigration. The result will be soaring wages and diverse employment options expanding for all. The current policy of taxing those without kids, more, is a subconscious way to influence the birth of more kids, by punishing those whom are abstaining from having kids in their own best FINANCIAL interests, whom are also not giving in to the desires for increased population coveted by both government and large corporations.

I have been making the argument, for a very long time, that the ever increasing "non-1%'er" population is, in fact, lowering the overall influence of those whom are not in the 1%.

How is this possible, you ask?

Because its easier to "pay less" or "nothing at all" to contracted or indentured "labor" when there is another willing laborer/slave waiting in the wings to do the work for less or nothing at all. Its actually quite simple, if those not in the 1% refused to get married or have babies from here on out & actively blocked any future immigration, the 1% would very quickly need to raise wages. Otherwise nothing the 1% want to get "worked on" would ever get done. When low-wage/low-skilled labor becomes scarce in the larger market, wages go up.

"Baby making with benefits" thoughts on a grand scale is the problem. There are not enough paying jobs to go around as it is and the "baby makers" somehow think bringing another human onto the earth is a good idea. Their future, unborn, child is going to do nothing except drive down wages for everyone else who was already here. These people, quite simply put, need to rethink their purpose in life. Its not to make babies in a world without a job for them to earn a living from. People who think like this are doing nothing more than driving the rest of us deeper into slavery at the hands of the "owners of capital", whom use "extra living bodies" as an excuse to constantly drive down wages and increase the costs of goods due to increased demand or even sometimes lack of demand. People need to change their world view, RIGHT NOW, its not about making babies anymore! Save a job for a person already born and living, by getting a vasectomy and vilifying those who choose to make more human beings through biological reproduction!

Guess when the largest “recorded” wage increase happened in history for, non-land owing, wage-laborers, post the introduction of fiat currency?

Any ideas?

I’ll tell you, it was after the black death pandemic in the 14th century, especially in post-pandemic England.

How is that possible?

Because “the owners of capital”, post-black-death-pandemic still needed wage-laborers, but there was a HUGE shortage of able bodied people, so, in order for ANY work to get done they had to pay the peasants and other undesirables more, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. This principle is still at work today, when you take the time to recognize that portions of the population are actively discouraged from participating in the full-time labor market. This is easily done, by throwing people in prison, forcing them to attend formal school longer and allowing more people to claim themselves as disabled or collect long/short term welfare. The next obvious step for government to further reduce the number of people participating in the full-time labor market is to allow them easier access to welfare, or, as some have been recommending lately, a guaranteed minimum wage/allowance that everyone gets, without having to provide labor to an employer first. I’m not going to go into any specific economic theory, but this above noted cohort of non-participants collecting a base amount of guaranteed welfare/allowance will likely keep wages stable for those whom are still working full-time. For example, if all people capable of working full-time, entered the job market simultaneously, wages would crash and to a certain extent have, as of 2014.

Contrary to popular, academic and authoritative opinions, history has already proved my above inference to be VERY effective against the 1%'ers quest to drive down wages. Hence, if those NOT in the 1% refused to get married or have babies from here on out and aggressively blocked any future immigration, both legal and illegal, the 1% would very quickly need to raise wages for non-land owing/peasants/undesirables/wage-laborers, etc. Otherwise nothing the 1% want to get "worked on" would ever get done. When low-wage/low-skilled labor becomes scarce in the larger market, wages go up, FOR EVERYBODY, even skilled workers. For us the peasants, "self induced labor shortages" is one of the few ways to get the "owners of capital" to pay more for services rendered. This includes the concept of the UNION, but Americans have already voted against their interests in that respect. All they really have left now to negotiate with, is making less babies and stopping both legal & illegal immigration.

Its not simply about "wealth redistribution" and taxing those without children more than those with children, its about overabundance of labor on the market and the ability of the 1% to artificially drive down wages of the 99%. When the Black Death came about and wiped out "excess labor", the 1%'ers of the day somehow found "extra money" to pay said labor, for services rendered. Which means it was always available and wages could have been higher previously, but instead the 1%, of the day, chose to play the game, "pit the desperate workers against each other".

The French Revolution and the Peasant's Revolt also function within my "scarce-labor of ALL types" theory, resulting in higher wages being paid to non-land owing/peasants/undesirables/wage-laborers. During the French Revolution, from 1789 to 1799, birth rates fell dramatically. Also the earlier Peasants Revolt, of 1381, not surprisingly, had roots in the aftermath of the Black Death. In fact, the Peasants Revolt was triggered by the "Statute of Labourers 1351".

The sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the "Statute of Labourers 1351". It was used by the "Owners of Capital", as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages.

avalon.law.yale.edu...

The Statute of Laborers; 1351 ("Statutes of the Realm," vol. i. p. 307.)

Its simple, newborn babies, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants destroy the wage negotiating power of the 99% and the 1% know this.

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

Why the U.S. rolls out the red carpet for Mexican illegal immigrants has been a mystery for years.

Not really if you don't pay attention to political rhetoric.

They roll out the red carpet because one of the largest lobbying group in DC, directly benefits from the cheap unskilled and illegal labor force coming from Mexico. The Agriculture industry is the direct benefactors of illegals and the primary reason why illegals find it worth while to risk their lifes to get here.

Notice how on the Canadian border we don't have an issue and we have far less resources allocated to it. The reason is because Canadians have a stable economy and they don't have an incentive to work here illegally.

The real solution , which is seldomly if ever discussed by the lobbying controlled MSM is to prosecute the corporations that hire the illegals. If you take their incentives to come [work] they won't come illegally just like the canadians.

Cliff notes:

Its about the money> congress is controlled by the lobbyiest> the aggriculture lobbyiest are one of the biggest most power lobbying group > the Agriculture industry is the biggest benefactor of the illegals.

Case closed: no mystery as why we aren't fixing the issues nor talking about the real solution.

a reply to: foxhound2459


It is not being implemented yet (it is, but only on a small, experimental scale with willing participants) when it goes full blown, and the government says the microchip implant will be our only system for ALL buying and selling, it will be no secret. It will be " Do what we say or starve, get the implant and be an American citizen, like you've always wanted, or be detained and deported"

For those who are already citizens? Make them get tired of not being able to buy anything, not having I.D. for the multiple things we need it for, not being able to access their own bank accounts, desperate to the breaking point. Some will give in and get chipped. The others? Become homeless dregs? Or worse, considered law breakers and detained in camps?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

There are plenty of citizens who want and need work. They are mad about all of the jobs being taken by millions of illegals. There may have been a time, 50 yrs ago, when illegals were handy for filling certain positions. That theory is so out dated now. At this point, Americans want those jobs, but they aren't available.

Also, it is not my point to say illegals shouldn't be here, I only want to point out what I believe the Government has in store.

You're just looking at the 'Messicans at the border' That is the diversion... They're also pushing professors, scientists, etc. who bring their kids who are 3x-5x better educated than the kids here are, so that will be the 'Executive Branch' or who most of Your kids will work for..

Just at the 'middle mgmt' level You can 'import' 2 from India and pay them less than One 'Merican' (AmEx™) Plus, these new hires will be able to communicate better with the "call center" that they outsourced when SlickWillie was the puppet...

Instead of blindly drinking the $7.00 cup of Starbucks™ I wish they'd take a whiff and "wake up"...

Is it "irony" that the Ones who KNOW this also KNOW that they will be fine either way?

When it gets too bad, remember that the "American Dream" isn't dead, You just have to travel to either South or Central America to obtain it...

As for the laziness and video games, in another 500 years folks will all have Mickey Mouse™ thumbs, a part of evolution from constant texting and only One ear, because nobody has an actual conversation anymore...

Why is the NFL™ tax exempt? Why is it the community pays for the new $1B stadium but doesn't share in the proceeds? Why is Organized Religion™ tax free?

Yin can't get here soon enough.. It'll get 'better' when it gets 'better' and it'll ALL work out in the end, if it hasn't worked out, it isn't the end..

namaste

IT has absolutley Nothing to do with Microchip, Its about a numbers game. And right now Latin Americans are providing an never ending amount of blue collor workers, who do actually pay taxes, evertime they buy anything from a store, or gasoline,anything,they are paying taxes. I think most people are mad, because they think this land is a God given right to them, and in fact No one can say who belongs here and who doesnt. Get Over it, without Latinos, the economy would of tanked years ago. Simple economics. I was born in England, Naturalized when I was 11 years old, My Dad Moved over to America 25 years ago, Built a company, Is living the American Dream, and is employing well over 50 people. I just dont buy the Microchip view.

originally posted by: 222mockingbirdlane
a reply to: ladyinwaiting



There are plenty of citizens who want and need work. They are mad about all of the jobs being taken by millions of illegals. There may have been a time, 50 yrs ago, when illegals were handy for filling certain positions. That theory is so out dated now. At this point, Americans want those jobs, but they aren't available.



Also, it is not my point to say illegals shouldn't be here, I only want to point out what I believe the Government has in store.

The Jobs arent availible anymore, because they dont exist, or have been moved elsewhere. Lets face it, America has been sold out, not by Illegals, but by Government and Corporations looking for profit margins nothing else matters to them. Its a new world, and one that America has yet to come to terms with. WE the US created most of this mess and Know we have to live it.

It is a simple supply and demand problem. Americans can not take 300$ and turn it into 3000$ like people from mxico can. That is why people do not want to work in the us. The amount you can earn from these jobs is offset by how much that money can buy here.

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

they let you go, because most cops don't want to put in all of the extra paperwork and time that goes into it.

This is your opinion. My opinion is that most cops put the extra work.

I also know illegal immigrants that were arrested for driving without a license. Cops don't just let you go unpunished for being illegally here.

a reply to: Glassbender777

You are right about some outsourced jobs not existing in America, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the jobs illegals are working in America. Of course the jobs they work exist.

I always believed that the theory that illegals were taking jobs that americans would do was true, I no longer believe that and here`s why.
For the past 4 weeks I have been trying to hire someone to do odd jobs around my home,they aren`t dangerous jobs, and NO one will do them. I`ve gone through all the "handyman" ads in this area and NO one wants to do the work.
I`m now convinced that there are jobs that americans just won`t do for any amount of money,since americans won`t do them then I have no problem with letting illegals come into the country and do those jobs.

originally posted by: Xcouncil=wisdom
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

To you who does have a good point.
I say are wrong
We don't need them to do the jobs teenagers used to do.
We are using them to allow the fattening of America I mean literally if the children and twenty somethings are allowed to stay at home and play on their devices and have everything given them, they will take advantage of that.
So Illegals doing the jobs that teenagers used to do, is actually stealing our future, it is robbing our youth of work ethic and the means to build character.

But as for the tagging, its OK..tag the illegals with the promise of legalization, aaaand lets go ahead and give away the next World of Warcraft or Grand Theft Auto with your chipping lazy youth of today, because like we saw in the Police Barracksshooting, the youth of today may be the terrorists of tomorrow
X

Teenagers barely get up to wash their arses. I was a behavior therapist for three years and every family I visited that had immigrants as the main earners worked typically not one low paying job, but two. Average white family was on welfare and "still looking". I live in an upper class neighborhood in Arizona and it's a running joke I have with a few buddies but this year alone I've yet to see a single person of color on the street begging for money. Every one, every day has been Caucasian. Instead of hanging out at Lowes with all the immigrants waiting for a truck to pull up and MAYBE ask them to help, they beg for booze money.

originally posted by: Tardacus
I always believed that the theory that illegals were taking jobs that americans would do was true, I no longer believe that and here`s why.
For the past 4 weeks I have been trying to hire someone to do odd jobs around my home,they aren`t dangerous jobs, and NO one will do them. I`ve gone through all the "handyman" ads in this area and NO one wants to do the work.
I`m now convinced that there are jobs that americans just won`t do for any amount of money,since americans won`t do them then I have no problem with letting illegals come into the country and do those jobs.

I know a lot of guys who do side jobs like the ones you were offering. They've been doing them for many years.
I have also seen perfectly qualified people turned away from jobs while an illegal was hired because the illegal would work under the table.

a reply to: 222mockingbirdlane

Also, who better to make all of walmarts clothes once the FEMA camps have been activated & filled.

a reply to: Jenisiz

Many of the illegals I knew would have a husband working under the table and the wife working a regular job with a combined income that was above poverty level. The women lied and said they were a one income household and they ended up with food stamps, medical, cheap housing. All through deceit. They sent a lot of money back home to their own Country. They saved a lot and many plan on returning back to their own Country as our money is worth so much more there.

originally posted by: Night Star
a reply to: Jenisiz

Many of the illegals I knew would have a husband working under the table and the wife working a regular job with a combined income that was above poverty level. The women lied and said they were a one income household and they ended up with food stamps, medical, cheap housing. All through deceit. They sent a lot of money back home to their own Country. They saved a lot and many plan on returning back to their own Country as our money is worth so much more there.

If that's the case then why aren't the homeless doing the same? Majority of homeless people are kids and young adults. Kids don't have the ability to get jobs but their parents do. And instead of working under the table, which is great for the homeless bc they still qualify for welfare, they don't. They sir around on unemployment and begging for booze. I worked for the state for years, and I'd see it on the regular. Issue is with corporate behemoths outsourcing like crazy. Between Wells Fargo, Chase and Bofa alone over 10,000 people have been left jobless do to it. This of course is just three companies that have outsourced entire operation centers. I don't even want to get into the CSR positions like Verizon. If you're upset about jobs disappearing blame the large corporations...because illegals can't even work there due to status and the individuals that can won't move countries to call centers over in say India.

it's my understanding that the gov't has passed a few laws to make sure it get's the taxes it feels is due.. even if the american hasn't been in the states for years and is working halfway around the world paying taxes to another country. And because the gov't has become so aggressive in that venture there is a massive waiting list of those that want to just give up their citizenship and avoid those taxes. I've also heard that those who get green cards are also being trapped in like manner.
This is just a suggestion here but could the gov't be allowing the wave of immigrants in an attempt to entrap them in this way? Then well when the economy falls through the floor and all these immigrants go back home for the jobs well our gov't will still have money coming into their hands?

originally posted by: dawnstar
it's my understanding that the gov't has passed a few laws to make sure it get's the taxes it feels is due.. even if the american hasn't been in the states for years and is working halfway around the world paying taxes to another country. And because the gov't has become so aggressive in that venture there is a massive waiting list of those that want to just give up their citizenship and avoid those taxes. I've also heard that those who get green cards are also being trapped in like manner.
This is just a suggestion here but could the gov't be allowing the wave of immigrants in an attempt to entrap them in this way? Then well when the economy falls through the floor and all these immigrants go back home for the jobs well our gov't will still have money coming into their hands?

The taxes the government are paid from companies that outsource is minuscule compared to the price of hiring locally. It's the main reason you see them only get larger while average Americans are forced to accept lower paying jobs with mom and pop corporations or even worse "the Wallmarts" of America. It's a great smokescreen, Blame it on the immigrants while we keep outsourcing!

This is a conspiracy theory forum and I'm surprised none have mentioned it. Corporate America is far worse then the immigrant problem. They keep paying their upper management top dollar and outsourcing while helping support the nation in thinking is the illegals taking jobs. Not the case.

a reply to: Jenisiz

You answered your own question on why the homeless don't do it, and if they did, you wouldn't see many homeless. As for illegals, the fathers are working, and the moms collecting welfare as single mothers. I knew of so many doing that, and doing very well financially. There is no way to keep track of people who aren't even in the system, and they network with one another to find ways to rake in all they can! Illegals with children are set.

You know I had always thought that the reason the Government hasn't done anything to address the problem of undocumented workers was because companies benefited from all the cheap labor. Those companies in turn donate to politicians to keep the current system.

Plus we live in a capitalistic economy, if you are willing to do a job for far less pay than someone else then you will get the job regardless.

But you're right. They are letting them in because they want to implant us with microchips to usher in the new world order and then we will finally get to know our real reptilian over lords that will enslave us all in order to work in their mines in the hollow earth.

All because of those damn illegals