Climate Marchers Leave Trail of Trash EVERYWHERE

a reply to: OptimusCrime

With all due respect, that answer is not good enough. I made two very valid points I don't think you can refute.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime

With all due respect, that answer is not good enough. I made two very valid points I don't think you can refute.

If you go back and read your post, I've answered both of your questions with one response.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

This?

I can guarantee that if you dispose of your trash correctly, no trash will end up on the streets.

The very answer I said wasn't good enough?

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime

This?

I can guarantee that if you dispose of your trash correctly, no trash will end up on the streets.

The very thing I said wasn't good enough?

You are not the judge of what is or what is not a "good enough" answer. Please get back on topic. The topic is

"Climate Marchers Leave Trail of Trash EVERYWHERE".

Thank you for your cooperation.

a reply to: OptimusCrime


No. I gave you an answer formed as a question. Perhaps you didn't understand it so I'll rephrase it as many times as it takes.
Right here, this is where it unravels...

I'm not mad about people using a trash can

You can't blame some of the people and not all of the people because #1 and #400,000 are the same. Your title "Climate Marchers Leave Trail of Trash EVERYWHERE" is misleading and inaccurate.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime


No. I gave you an answer formed as a question. Perhaps you didn't understand it so I'll rephrase it as many times as it takes.
Right here, this is where it unravels...

I'm not mad about people using a trash can

You can't blame some of the people and not all of the people because #1 and #400,000 are the same. Your title "Climate Marchers Leave Trail of Trash EVERYWHERE" is misleading and inaccurate.

It's the title of the article posted, so it's relevant to the headline of this topic. The pictures show trash was everywhere. This has been covered.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

You're really missing the point. You're basically mad at people who didn't make it to the garbage can first.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime

You're really missing the point. You're basically mad at people who didn't make it to the garbage can first.

I think you missed this reply, it's on page 7, but I'll post it again. Also, you have already asked this question.

1. I'm not mad about people using a trash can, if it is not full and over flowing. Even if they place it on top and it stays there.
2. If the garbage is full, I expect any person with any kind of decent upbringing to take their trash with them and dispose of it correctly. Not throw it on the ground, where it's going to be someone else's problem. Especially at this type of march. If they DID take it home it would be very kind of them and the right thing to do, but they did not, they threw it on the ground. I'm not play IF's here.
3. We've already been warned about off topic, so please don't be sarcastic with me. If you want to talk about the subject, I will give you answers and more opinions, just as I expect from you.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

wth are you going on about?? It's your first response I'm speaking about "1. I'm not mad about people using a trash can,"

You're not mad at the people who got there first. Wake up!! No doubt you're falling asleep; at the wheel of your own thread. I told you this is where it unravels. Please make coherent responses or concede.

Thank you.

originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime

wth are you going on about?? It's your first response I'm speaking about "1. I'm not mad about people using a trash can,"

You're not mad at the people who got there first. Wake up!! No doubt you're falling asleep; at the wheel of your own thread. I told you this is where it unravels. Please make coherent responses or concede.

Thank you.

I've made my argument clear as day and you continue to go in circles. There is nothing more to explain to you other than people shouldn't throw their trash on the ground during a protest that is meant to make others aware of pollutants in the environment. Do you understand that?

a reply to: OptimusCrime

I understand your point, but it's a simple one and you haven't looked at the bigger picture AT ALL. The reason why we're going in circles is because you can't move forward with a counter-argument. My single logical response stands like a stone obelisk because it's the correct answer to your dilemma. It's simple and I'll say it again like I promised. People left trash on the ground because the cans were FULL. Wow.

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originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: OptimusCrime

I understand your point, but it's a simple one and you haven't looked at the bigger picture AT ALL. The reason why we're going in circles is because you can't move forward with a counter-argument. My single logical response stands like a stone obelisk because it's the correct answer to your dilemma. It's simple and I'll say it again like I promised. People left trash on the ground because the cans were FULL. Wow.

I understand your argument as well. But it is flawed. If you're protesting against pollution, you don't pollute. You take your garbage with you, you put it in a bag, or your back pack and recycle it (which at this rally, everyone should be using recyclables, right?), or throw it out in a trash can when you get to one. You do not pollute a neighborhood, then leave it for someone else to clean up.

That's exactly what is happening to the environment with pollution. Humans are polluting the world and leaving it to our children to clean up. Parents who took their children to this rally should say "Jimmy, the trash can is full, instead of throwing things on the street, we can take them with us in our bags and recycle them the correct way." You're not only teaching your children how to be a stand up and responsible person, you're teaching a life lesson with little to no effort. You do not toss it on the ground and send the wrong message to children who are at the rally watching. Then they think it is OK to do that themselves wherever they are and can't find a trash can.

I'll give you an example. I coach a sports team and before each season we teach the kids to maintain the field they play on. We teach them to throw out their trash, brush out the dugouts, rake and water the field and If the trash can is full, we have them put it in a coaches truck to take to the dumpster which is emptied daily. We teach them respect for what they use. They take these lessons with them in every day life and learn to appreciate things. If we were to just let them walk off after the game/practice is over with their trash still in the dugouts and the field a mess, you have not taught them anything other than the typical "Well, it's someone else's job to do that". We have grounds crew and they thank us every time they see us for maintaining the field we play on because they can do more important things that need up keeping around the area.

I do not care if you want to rally, do it until your heart is content, that's not the problem. The problem is sending the wrong message you are working so hard to convey to the rest of the world and teaching a life lesson to the younger generation.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

You take your garbage with you, you put it in a bag, or your back pack and recycle it (which at this rally, everyone should be using recyclables, right?),

That's an unreasonable request. Probably for the most part, 95% of the people probably did that or had a major cognitive dissonance if they couldn't find a garbage. You can't expect 400,000 people to take garbage back on a bus or plane. Let's be reasonable.

I do not care if you want to rally, do it until your heart is content, that's not the problem. The problem is sending the wrong message you are working so hard to convey to the rest of the world and teaching a life lesson to the younger generation.

The message was it was the largest gathering of its kind. The spilled over garbage was just a causation which could not be prevented. Yes, even oil was burned to get there. That too is a causation which could not be realistically prevented. Everything you do leaves a foot print. But the garbage/oil foot print is so small in comparison to the bigger picture. You need a magnifying glass to see it. And that's kind of what you're doing. You're asking us all to look into the magnifying glass and accept it as worthy argument. I'm fairly confident that all that garbage was picked up by volunteers too. No harm, no foul. Out of 400,000 people, there's bound to be a tree hugger or two with shovels and garbage bags. Would't you think?

a reply to: FlySolo

To be honest with you. I've said all I needed to say in my last response. You can have the last word, that's fine with me. We have already went back and forth enough and there's is no convincing either one of us the other is right.

I'm not going to risk a 72 hour ban over bickering back and forth, we have been warned twice now and I do not see our conversation staying civil as it hasn't after the first warning. It was a good, fun conversation, if we can call it that. No hard feelings, have a nice night.

a reply to: OptimusCrime

I know this wasn't a reply to me but here's the thing. Me personally, I wouldn't have left the trash... but then again I'm not a casual environmentalist. You're flawed logic is this, you refuse to take into account that out of approximately 400,000 people in the area at the time, how many were just watching? How many aren't hard-core? How many are just learning about individual impact? For 400,000 people, that was NOT a lot of trash and it is PETTY to blame it on the entire Climate March and the entire Climate/Environmental movement and claim hypocrisy.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: OptimusCrime

I know this wasn't a reply to me but here's the thing. Me personally, I wouldn't have left the trash... but then again I'm not a casual environmentalist. You're flawed logic is this, you refuse to take into account that out of approximately 400,000 people in the area at the time, how many were just watching? How many aren't hard-core? How many are just learning about individual impact? For 400,000 people, that was NOT a lot of trash and it is PETTY to blame it on the entire Climate March and the entire Climate/Environmental movement and claim hypocrisy.

I've taken into account the amount of people and that should have made it EASIER to not leave trash on the streets as there's more people to pick it up, or tell others not to trash the city during their event for. It does not take a "hardcore environmentalist" to have common sense and courtesy for others. Practice what you preach. The pictures show, after the march, there was still trash on the ground and it took the city until Monday to clean it up. Which tells me, even the hardcore protesters left and did nothing and it wasn't "just a little bit of trash".

If they are protesting to protect the environment, there's enough of them to witness people throwing garbage on the ground and scold them for doing so, it goes alone with my post above about a "life lesson" and teaching others the point they are trying to convey. I believe if they did that, then others would learn. But, it is easier to scream and yell with your voice instead of put hard work in with your hands. They marched and yelled and went home to let the city clean it up, which was completed Monday. That is no way to set an example for your cause. Sorry.

Practice what you preach.

Like I said to the poster above you, I've said all I want to say about this topic and find I have to repeat myself time and time again. We probably will not see eye to eye on this, and that's fine with me. Hope you have a great day, no hard feelings.

he makes some good points about the topic. what is rationing?

a reply to: OptimusCrime

What a bunch of hypocrites. They come to the city to complain about the climate and the state of the planet, yet throw trash all over the place.

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns...

400,000 - in NYC alone. Impressive. Marching for something they believe in - and you start a whole thread to call them hypocrites - for littering

Wimpy

Your attempt to devalue something so important only shows how desperate and toothless the opposition has become - and how petty

By the way, there's trash after a parade too. People make trash - people clean it up

They had a permit - so...what's your real point?

No, seriously - what IS your real point?

:-)

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: OptimusCrime

What a bunch of hypocrites. They come to the city to complain about the climate and the state of the planet, yet throw trash all over the place.

Talk about fiddling while Rome burns...

400,000 - in NYC alone. Impressive. Marching for something they believe in - and you start a whole thread to call them hypocrites - for littering

Wimpy

Your attempt to devalue something so important only shows how desperate and toothless the opposition has become - and how petty

By the way, there's trash after a parade too. People make trash - people clean it up

They had a permit - so...what's your real point?

No, seriously - what IS your real point?

:-)

I'm not repeating it to you. Read the thread.