Evidence of demolition company at 9/11

a reply to: Bilk22

LOL yeah, the average beat cop knew that it was coming down, as no doubt the fire dept knew. Heck, I am sure the janitor knew.

And so far everyone has kept their mouths shut. Yep... that could happen! /sarc

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Emerys

originally posted by: Bilk22
What's interesting is the cop knew that Building 7 was going down. How and what time was it when this video footage was taken? So who told this cop in advance it was going to collapse? Who would know the extent of damage, since the building was supposed to be engulfed in flames and evacuated? No steel structure of it's kind ever collapsed because of fire, so I find it difficult to believe someone could make that assessment. That is a smoking gun right there.

I don't know the timeline. But it appears not too long before WTC7 collapses. Maybe 30-40 mins prior? I also find it interesting how the police and federal agencies are blocking off just those areas of the WTC. You would think if they had no clue of which buildings were going to collapse, all buildings would be deemed unsafe. Hmm.

Well he didn't even say it was unsafe. He said it was coming down. I find that to be one of the most damning pieces of evidence for a designed demolition there is regarding this travesty. He knew well before 30 - 40 minutes in advance. He and everyone in uniform there knew it.

Right. And he cared enough to get people away from it but not enough to stop it or to speak out afterwards. Because, logic.

Yep and the fact that 2 other megastructures had collapsed that day due to structural damage and fire, combined with the radio traffic indicating that building 7 was starting to crumple, bulge, and fall apart had nothing to do with it either.

The entire fire department knew that building 7 was being intentionally brought down but the only evidence we have is video of a few fire fighters saying "it's going to collapse, clear out." That's pretty damning right there...

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: Bilk22

There is no way in hell that any expert could have determined that building was going to collapse. No way in hell. No way based on prior experience. No way based on precedent. No way based on having surveyed the damage as everyone was kept at a distance.

Now couple this cop's statement with the BBC reporter stating the building collapsed well before it did, and there is evidence of designed demolition. The BBC report could, on it's own, have been some type of coincidental mistake. Coupled with this cops statement, and there's no mistake on the BBC report other than reporting it before it occurred. They all knew well in advance.

You're right ! An engineer couldn't have told anyone the building was going to fall with any certainty, much less a cop.

a reply to: Okeyd57

Funny, but being qualified to open your mouth is not the same thing as going ahead and doing it anyway.

This thread is a good example of that lol

originally posted by: Okeyd57

originally posted by: Bilk22
a reply to: Bilk22

There is no way in hell that any expert could have determined that building was going to collapse. No way in hell. No way based on prior experience. No way based on precedent. No way based on having surveyed the damage as everyone was kept at a distance.

Now couple this cop's statement with the BBC reporter stating the building collapsed well before it did, and there is evidence of designed demolition. The BBC report could, on it's own, have been some type of coincidental mistake. Coupled with this cops statement, and there's no mistake on the BBC report other than reporting it before it occurred. They all knew well in advance.

You're right ! An engineer couldn't have told anyone the building was going to fall with any certainty, much less a cop.

Honestly, nearly every word spoken by anyone on the ground at the scene that day is useless. There was so much chaos that nobody had their information straight.

I've seen video of firefighters saying "a bomb could go off in any of these buildings at any minute!" Around the country, nobody had any clue just how bad it was going to get. At one point, there was a report of 7 planes hijacked and a truck bomb had gone off at the White House. There were mixed reports coming from EVERYWHERE and nobody had the story straight until much later in the day. Anything spoken by a person at the scene, where the chaos and lack of communication was worse, or by a reporter trying to interpret that information, is practically worthless. It was like the biggest game of telephone ever played.

a reply to: bbracken677

Funny, but being qualified to open your mouth is not the same thing as going ahead and doing it anyway.

This thread is a good example of that lol

The entire 911 section of ATS is an example of that.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Bilk22

LOL yeah, the average beat cop knew that it was coming down, as no doubt the fire dept knew. Heck, I am sure the janitor knew.

And so far everyone has kept their mouths shut. Yep... that could happen! /sarc

What's your point? I didn't claim the flatfoot was in on any conspiracy. However there's no way anyone could think much less know that the building would collapse from fire damage. It's never happened so there was no reason to assume it would. It wasn't even on the same parcel of land as the towers. It was across the street. The only way someone would know that the building was coming down is because it was designed to come down. This information was relayed to command control for police and fire. I suspect they weren't even told why the person informing them knew why it was going to come down. People follow orders in a chain of command especially when their fat retirement paychecks are at stake. There's not an engineer or architect on the planet that would have definitively said "That building is going to collapse". Not one. The best they would possibly say, and given the construction of the structure and a lack of any evidence fire would cause catastrophic failure, is "There's risk of some failure due to fire and I'd keep people away from the building until it can be surveyed." That's it. No one in their right mind would say that it would definitively collapse. None!

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Okeyd57

Funny, but being qualified to open your mouth is not the same thing as going ahead and doing it anyway.

This thread is a good example of that lol

Well I'm f#$#$%ing qualified. I've been an architect for 25 years. How about you? What's your qualifications?

I'm no demolitions expert but I've worked in the demolition industry for a few years now. Demoltion companies do waaaay more than controlled demolitions. We also gut building interiors and prep them for renovations/repairs.

At the ten minute mark you do indeed see several large dumpsters, If you look across the street you also see a large portion of the street fenced off for some kind of renovations.... It's New York city, there's tens of thousands of these containers around on any given day...

a reply to: Bilk22

See a couple posts up... You imply that there was some conspiracy going on. Let me quote the best explanation for stupid things being said that day and fits well with human nature:

originally posted by: Okeyd57 You're right ! An engineer couldn't have told anyone the building was going to fall with any certainty, much less a cop. Honestly, nearly every word spoken by anyone one the ground at the scene that day is useless. There was so much chaos that nobody had their information straight. I've seen video of firefighters saying "a bomb could go off in any of these buildings at any minute!" Around the country, nobody had any clue just how bad it was going to get. At one point, there was a report of 7 planes hijacked and a truck bomb had gone off at the White House. There were mixed reports coming from EVERYWHERE and nobody had the story straight until much later in the day. Anything spoken by a person at the scene, where the chaos and lack of communication was worse, or by a reporter trying to interpret that information, is practically worthless. It was like the biggest game of telephone ever played. edit on 9/22/2014 by Answer because: (no reason given) edit on 9/22/2014 by Answer because: (no reason given)

Frankly, I have had my fill with 9/11 conspiracies. This one just goes into the garbage bin (for me) with all the rest of them.
I paid attention long ago, but after a while whatever truth there may have been somewhere out on the fringes get's swallowed up by the barrage of horrible thinking and logic of the majority of them. Now, 13 years + later, they just seem stupid.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Bilk22

LOL yeah, the average beat cop knew that it was coming down, as no doubt the fire dept knew. Heck, I am sure the janitor knew.

And so far everyone has kept their mouths shut. Yep... that could happen! /sarc

What's your point? I didn't claim the flatfoot was in on any conspiracy. However there's no way anyone could think much less know that the building would collapse from fire damage. It's never happened so there was no reason to assume it would. It wasn't even on the same parcel of land as the towers. It was across the street. The only way someone would know that the building was coming down is because it was designed to come down. This information was relayed to command control for police and fire. I suspect they weren't even told why the person informing them knew why it was going to come down. People follow orders in a chain of command especially when their fat retirement paychecks are at stake. There's not an engineer or architect on the planet that would have definitively said "That building is going to collapse". Not one. The best they would possibly say, and given the construction of the structure and a lack of any evidence fire would cause catastrophic failure, is "There's risk of some failure due to fire and I'd keep people away from the building until it can be surveyed." That's it. No one in their right mind would say that it would definitively collapse. None!

Are you being intentionally dense?

The gigantic towers that came down that morning and killed a couple thousand people might have... just possibly... made them extra cautious. Combine that with the VISUAL CONFIRMATION by chopper pilots that parts of the building were starting to crumple, bulge, and give way and anyone would start to assume that the building is going to collapse.

It wasn't just fire that brought down WTC 7. The building had extensive structural damage due to falling debris from the North tower collapse... a fact conveniently ignored by the truthers so they can push the "there's no way only fire brought the building down!" line. If you're going to argue the events of that day, at least have the facts straight so your story isn't so easy to pick apart. I get tired of debunking the same old truther statements line-by-line because people haven't bothered to get the whole story. If people would put forth a little effort and understand everything that went on at the scene instead of relying on bits and pieces from truther websites, it would go a long way toward settling this idiotic argument.

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Okeyd57

Funny, but being qualified to open your mouth is not the same thing as going ahead and doing it anyway.

This thread is a good example of that lol

Well I'm f#$#$%ing qualified. I've been an architect for 25 years. How about you? What's your qualifications?

Oh stop. That's like saying an "engineer" is qualified to comment.

Your career is irrelevant to your knowledge of what happened and it makes your opinion no more valid than that of a dentist, plumber, or garbage man. You're just trying to seem more impressive to people who don't know any better. If you said "structural engineer," I might have cared.

thanks, that's an interesting video and one i hadn't seen before.

a crazy day.

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: Bilk22


Don't forget there is also a video around with fire fighters telling people in advance building 7 is coming down and they need to clear the area.

I try finding it:

This is not the one, but also they know it in advance:

Another:

Firefighters were reporting over the radio that the structure was starting to fail. They saw parts of the building starting to bulge and crumple. After the towers collapsed, they obviously weren't taking any chances.

EDIT: I see this was already addressed earlier in the thread and the typical truther responses have already been posted. Predictable.

I didn't hear anything in those reports that said the fire fighters reported seeing bulging. Not in the 2 videos you quoted.

What are you talking about? I was responding to the claims made in the post. I was not commenting on those particular videos.

Do some basic research on the WTC 7 collapse... even Wiki talks about the radio traffic from police and firefighters saying parts of the building were collapsing and the entire structure seemed compromised. That's why they stopped fighting the fire and moved everyone away from the building.

I must be blind. I looked as hard as I could but didn't find anything. could you post it for us since you sound like you know where to look.

I believe in my post I said Wikipedia talks about it. You obviously didn't look very hard because it's the second response on Google when you type in "WTC 7 Collapse."

It is funny you should say that because you have been selling a story that had no real investigation done. The evidence was quickly disposed of. Almost the entire narrative was given on september 12 2001 and you just ate it up before there was even a look-see. You WANTED to be attacked by terrorists apparently because you never gave it a second thought.

Yes, I wanted to be attacked by terrorists because I accept the story presented by people who know what they're talking about, who didn't have a conspiracy agenda, and who could see and postulate clearly what happened to the buildings that day. The only people who doubt how the buildings came down are WANTING to find a conspiracy. An unbiased look, with an understanding of structures and physics, will yield the same explanation that was presented in the official story.

There was a thorough investigation done by NIST. You may want to read up on it so you'll stop incorrectly stating that no investigation was done. You want your version of the story to be true so badly that you manipulate and fabricate information to make an illogical story seem possible. Do you honestly think, with all the brilliant minds in our nation, that someone legitimate would not have stepped forward by now and presented clear evidence that the buildings must have been brought down intentionally? All the truther movement can find are crackpots with questionable credentials pulling their own opinion out of thin air.

You dont believe in conspiracy theories, but you believe this:

"The 911 Myth:
19 Hijackers, directed by Osama B. Laden, took over 4 Commercial Jets with box cutters and, while evading the Air Defense System (NORAD), hit 75% of their targets. In turn, W. Trade Towers 1, 2 & 7 collapsed due to structural failure through fire in a "pancake" fashion, while the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized upon impact, as did the plane that crashed into Shanksville. The 911 Commission found that there were no warnings for this act of Terrorism, while multiple government failures prevented adequate defense."

Pretty much all of that info was narrated on sept.12, 2001. and you claim that with a whole day to assess the situation, those that narrated knew what they were talking about?

You don't give a lot of credence to investigations do you?

First story wins? Is that it?

originally posted by: MALBOSIA

"The 911 Myth:
19 Hijackers, directed by Osama B. Laden, took over 4 Commercial Jets with box cutters and, while evading the Air Defense System (NORAD), hit 75% of their targets. In turn, W. Trade Towers 1, 2 & 7 collapsed due to structural failure through fire in a "pancake" fashion, while the plane that hit the Pentagon vaporized upon impact, as did the plane that crashed into Shanksville. The 911 Commission found that there were no warnings for this act of Terrorism, while multiple government failures prevented adequate defense."

Pretty much all of that info was narrated on sept.12, 2001. and you claim that with a whole day to assess the situation, those that narrated knew what they were talking about?

You don't give a lot of credence to investigations do you?

First story wins? Is that it?

You have a reading comprehension problem or you're cherry picking posts to argue with me personally instead of addressing the actual issue. Either way, I have already stated that I don't believe all of the official story. I believe that "TPTB" had a hand in creating Al Qaeda as a puppet group to justify a war on terror to satisfy the military industrial complex AND to rally Americans behind the government's crusade to destabilize any regime that doesn't play ball with the global agenda. Further, it's about control of resources and making life difficult for Russia.

What is being specifically addressed here, in this thread, is the collapse of the buildings on Sept. 11th, 2001. Your attempted derailment just to attack me personally is unwarranted and frankly, sophomoric... indicating that you have nowhere else to go with your argument so you resort to making unwise implications about my judgement.

a reply to: Mianeye
Some facts about High Rise Towers that were on fire. 79E_oWEeYaI


In case youtube cuts the connection, as usual www.youtube.com...

a reply to: ugmold

Different buildings and construction, different outcome.

Now we have some new facts

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: jaffo

originally posted by: Bilk22

originally posted by: Emerys

originally posted by: Bilk22
What's interesting is the cop knew that Building 7 was going down. How and what time was it when this video footage was taken? So who told this cop in advance it was going to collapse? Who would know the extent of damage, since the building was supposed to be engulfed in flames and evacuated? No steel structure of it's kind ever collapsed because of fire, so I find it difficult to believe someone could make that assessment. That is a smoking gun right there.

I don't know the timeline. But it appears not too long before WTC7 collapses. Maybe 30-40 mins prior? I also find it interesting how the police and federal agencies are blocking off just those areas of the WTC. You would think if they had no clue of which buildings were going to collapse, all buildings would be deemed unsafe. Hmm.

Well he didn't even say it was unsafe. He said it was coming down. I find that to be one of the most damning pieces of evidence for a designed demolition there is regarding this travesty. He knew well before 30 - 40 minutes in advance. He and everyone in uniform there knew it.

Right. And he cared enough to get people away from it but not enough to stop it or to speak out afterwards. Because, logic.

Yep and the fact that 2 other megastructures had collapsed that day due to structural damage and fire, combined with the radio traffic indicating that building 7 was starting to crumple, bulge, and fall apart had nothing to do with it either.

The entire fire department knew that building 7 was being intentionally brought down but the only evidence we have is video of a few fire fighters saying "it's going to collapse, clear out." That's pretty damning right there...

Exactly, lol...

a reply to: Mianeye

Not duplicated in 13 years, and never will be. If it never happened before, how did they know it would happen?

You have to be lacking somewhere not to watch the collapse of Building 7 coming symmetrically down because of small offices fires in one side of the building. This will never, ever happen again.

Watch the Penthouse crumble first, no fires there baby.

And knock yourself out with 23 angles of this masterful controlled demo.

a reply to: Mianeye


There`s also lots of armchair experts........
who believe two planes caused three skyscrapers to disappear....without any evidence.