Dan Bursich, Ets and Stargate Secrets

a reply to: OrionsGem

Indeed. Star for you for noticing my lack of class.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: OrionsGem

Indeed. Star for you for noticing my lack of class.

Finally a show of support, its about time Sheep!

OG

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: sheepslayer247

thanks for your opinion. Until the movemen results in a change of law your argument is irrelevant. As it stands today, witness testimony is considered evidence in a court of law. .. sorry it's true.

OG

That is true. But a jury still has to decide if the witness testimony is credible.
One witness may say the defendant drove off in a 1957 Studebaker.
Another witness may say the defendant took a running jump, flapped bat wings and flew off into the sunset.

a reply to: Pauligirl

Not sure what your trying to convey by stating the obvious. ..of course the jury would decide if the witness has credibility, that's the point of having a jury deliberate!

Point is if witness testimony can be used to sentence someone for murder, then the same witness testimony should be more seriously considered as evidence in the ongoing search for truth in the ufo/alien field.

OG

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: Pauligirl

Not sure what your trying to convey by stating the obvious. ..of course the jury would decide if the witness has credibility, that's the point of having a jury deliberate!

Point is if witness testimony can be used to sentence someone for murder, then the same witness testimony should be more seriously considered as evidence in the ongoing search for truth in the ufo/alien field.

OG

Point is not just witness testimony, but credible witness testimony. If you think this stuff is credible, fine, that's up to you. To me, it doesn't even pass the laugh test.

originally posted by: Pauligirl

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: Pauligirl

Not sure what your trying to convey by stating the obvious. ..of course the jury would decide if the witness has credibility, that's the point of having a jury deliberate!

Point is if witness testimony can be used to sentence someone for murder, then the same witness testimony should be more seriously considered as evidence in the ongoing search for truth in the ufo/alien field.

OG

Point is not just witness testimony, but credible witness testimony. If you think this stuff is credible, fine, that's up to you. To me, it doesn't even pass the laugh test.

Again not sure what your trying to convey since you essentially just repeated what I said... Ofcourse it would be up to the jury (or listener) to determine if the testimony is credible. You have your opinions, I have mine...but repeating things over and over just does not help your argument, or pass your "laugh" test.

OG

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
I've done a lot of research in to Dan, and I've found that he is full of it.

That's not even his real name and he jumped on the UFO/esoteric bandwagon after he was coerced by the likes of Kerry Cassidy and others.

His interviews are very interesting, but it's nothing more than entertainment.

Sheepslayer...id really like to know what you think of Carrie Cassidy? Hoaxer as well?

OG

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
I've done a lot of research in to Dan, and I've found that he is full of it.

That's not even his real name and he jumped on the UFO/esoteric bandwagon after he was coerced by the likes of Kerry Cassidy and others.

His interviews are very interesting, but it's nothing more than entertainment.

Sheepslayer...id really like to know what you think of Carrie Cassidy? Hoaxer as well?

OG

This is a tough one. I've delved pretty far in to the Project Camelot material and I respect her because it was her material that really pushed me in to the conspiracy realm. We were even able to get her to come on the Reality Remix radio show we do for atsliveradio.com. It was a good interview.

That being said, much of her content is way too out there for me. I'm not in to the new-age scene and it's real hard for me to accept very much of what she says. I think she actually believes a lot of what she says, but I also believe she uses the ufo circuit/new age conferences to make her living. The music and acting didn't work out, so she jumped on this bandwagon.

In the end, I can't take her seriously. I'm a skeptic and while I remain completely open-minded, I've never seen and solid evidence to back any claims. So it's tough for me to go that deep.

Side note: I think Steven Greer is a fraud and a liar, but I did not like the way Kerry conducted herself in the PC interview with Steve Greer. That interview was a turning point for many PC supporters.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

originally posted by: OrionsGem

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
I've done a lot of research in to Dan, and I've found that he is full of it.

That's not even his real name and he jumped on the UFO/esoteric bandwagon after he was coerced by the likes of Kerry Cassidy and others.

His interviews are very interesting, but it's nothing more than entertainment.

Sheepslayer...id really like to know what you think of Carrie Cassidy? Hoaxer as well?

OG

This is a tough one. I've delved pretty far in to the Project Camelot material and I respect her because it was her material that really pushed me in to the conspiracy realm. We were even able to get her to come on the Reality Remix radio show we do for atsliveradio.com. It was a good interview.

That being said, much of her content is way too out there for me. I'm not in to the new-age scene and it's real hard for me to accept very much of what she says. I think she actually believes a lot of what she says, but I also believe she uses the ufo circuit/new age conferences to make her living. The music and acting didn't work out, so she jumped on this bandwagon.

In the end, I can't take her seriously. I'm a skeptic and while I remain completely open-minded, I've never seen and solid evidence to back any claims. So it's tough for me to go that deep.

Side note: I think Steven Greer is a fraud and a liar, but I did not like the way Kerry conducted herself in the PC interview with Steve Greer. That interview was a turning point for many PC supporters.

Was that the one where she kept cutting him off mid sentence?

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

Yes, she would cut him off while he was talking and, frankly, acted pretty immature. I believe the day before the interview she had posted some not-so-kind remarks on her website about Greer's presentation regarding whether or not ET's were malevolent/benevolent.

What are your thoughts on Cassidy and Project Camelot?

originally posted by: sheepslayer247
a reply to: OrionsGem

Yes, she would cut him off while he was talking and, frankly, acted pretty immature. I believe the day before the interview she had posted some not-so-kind remarks on her website about Greer's presentation regarding whether or not ET's were malevolent/benevolent.

What are your thoughts on Cassidy and Project Camelot?

I think that Cassidy is just the messenger. Frankly I could care less about her interview manners and etiquette..What I do care about is the wealth of information to be gleaned from her interviews...

Now just like any other messenger, she will encounter and interview people who are clearly out to spread disinformation...and possibly to try and discredit Carrie herself...and yet once in a while she will come across some real info, a gem as it were...and for that I applaud her.

I also 100% agree with her comments on Greer...It would be foolish to paint all ETs as kind and friendly simply because they are more advanced than us....Germany was the most technologically advanced country in WWII, but look at the atrocities they committed.

Being technologically advanced does not mean you are spiritually advanced as well IMO.


OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

Now just like any other messenger, she will encounter and interview people who are clearly out to spread disinformation...and possibly to try and discredit Carrie herself...and yet once in a while she will come across some real info, a gem as it were...and for that I applaud her.

I can agree with that. Some of her info may be trash, but there will be some true info spread in there somewhere. It's up to the listener/reader to discern what is credible and what is not.

Frankly I could care less about her interview manners and etiquette..What I do care about is the wealth of information to be gleaned from her interviews...

This I will disagree with. Kerry is trying to get people to come forth and share their knowledge. If she is known for being confrontational if it does not fit her world-view, then people may be reluctant to do so.

Also, in a field that relies on personal stories and personal credibility, I agree with people like Richard Dolan who say that it's important how people in this field present themselves. For example: In one of his interviews with Tim Binnal, he shares the story of a "presenter" at UFO conferences who gives his lectures wearing bedroom slippers and doesn't dress for the occasion. Dolan makes the observation that if you want to be taken seriously, you must present yourself well and look the part.

No one will take you seriously if you are confrontational and don't at least make the effort to present your information in a professional manner. In my opinion, Kerry didn't do that in that interview.

As far as the ET's being good or bad, I think that Greer and Kerry both had good points, but I found that crackpot Greer's approach seemed more reasonable.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Now isnt it nice to have an objective discussion without trying to one up eachother all the time?

Lets say that project camelot has a groundbreaking interview, one that we both agree presents genuine information....how many people will not even watch it because of another not so genuine interview posted on that site? Probably many.

There is allot of deliberate disinformation out there, and we cannot paint all of project camelot with the same "hoax" brush. Its just not wise. Even if 1 out 100 interviews on that site is the real deal, we cannot discount it!!

Such is the entire purpose of dis-info agents, to get us to discount the whole genre based on a few deliberate hoaxes...



OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

Now isnt it nice to have an objective discussion without trying to one up eachother all the time?

Yes it is. I really don't like to play the 'one-up' game, but I am pretty blunt and honest. I think Dan Burish is one of those people that has no credibility and is a liability to anyone that does have some truths to tell.

Lets say that project camelot has a groundbreaking interview, one that we both agree presents genuine information....how many people will not even watch it because of another not so genuine interview posted on that site? Probably many.

Good observation. Now let me ask, why will many people not watch it? Is it because people dismiss is immediately because of it's nature, or because of whom presents it and how it is presented?

There is allot of deliberate disinformation out there, and we cannot paint all of project camelot with the same "hoax" brush. Its just not wise. Even if 1 out 100 interviews on that site is the real deal, we cannot discount it!!

Agreed. I also think you have to learn over time who is spreading disinfo and why they are doing it. If you look in to it you will find that it may be those at the very top of this field that are spreading disinfo for their own gain, and in the process may be discrediting those that may actually have some truths to tell.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

A wise saying in UFOlogy is that only ONE sighting or encounter has to be real to take the entire subject dead serious.

Just one. Think about that...

OG

a reply to: Spruce

Raelian?
Left tit, big?

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: sheepslayer247

A wise saying in UFOlogy is that only ONE sighting or encounter has to be real to take the entire subject dead serious.

Just one. Think about that...

OG

Exactly!

I'm just waiting until we can prove just one......that's all we need.

originally posted by: sheepslayer247

originally posted by: OrionsGem
a reply to: sheepslayer247

A wise saying in UFOlogy is that only ONE sighting or encounter has to be real to take the entire subject dead serious.

Just one. Think about that...

OG

Exactly!

I'm just waiting until we can prove just one......that's all we need.

For me there is already lots of proof. Countless testimony and hypnotic regressions from abductees, physical scars, scoop marks and foreign implants removed by Roger Leir, and my own UFO and paranormal encounters.

This is enough proof for me to know that we are not only not alone, but are being visited on a regular basis.

For a skeptic like you, there may never be "enough" proof in this field. But for myself, I find the evidence to be overwhelming. Abductions aren't all sleep paralysis.

OG

a reply to: OrionsGem

I have never had any experience whatsoever. So while I do remain open minded, my level of evidence needed may be considered a high-bar to achieve by those that do claim to have had such experiences.

In regards to the hypnotic regressions, I study propaganda and how the mind can be manipulated, and I find HR to be dangerous. You can really mess with people's minds and implant thoughts and experiences that may not even be there.

a reply to: sheepslayer247

Plenty of testimony out there for those who are ready. Surely implanted memories can't account for exotic implants removed from abductees...

Now who abducted them is another question. The govt? Ets? We may never know. .. but the abductions are occurring.

OG