Isn't she beautiful? Women from another time

originally posted by: HarryJoy
a reply to: Bluesma

Excellent observations. You seem to have verbalised the essence of their attractiveness. They looked as though they had treasure worth searching for. The open wantoness of today leaves very little worth that has not been squandered upon callous relationships.

There is a lot of truth in what you say. Some men don't care about "sloppy seconds", which is the image of many of today's music stars in particular, but when it comes to a genuine relationship I think they want a serene beauty who has self control.

Sloppy seconds are fun to look at but dangerous to try and have as a real relationship.

I personally have admired the works of Reuben who really captured the beauty of the unretouched real life woman.

a reply to: grandmakdw
Always had a thing for Brigitte Bardot back in her heyday..


And Audrey-here she is feeding her pet deer a beer:

Another time and another place folks...
That place and time are lost I fear forever.
Women and Men had class, that we are lacking in todays world.

It would be great to have that back in the here and now!

This.

originally posted by: lonesomerimbaud


I love all the old flicks. Yes, for sure that time was Hollywood's golden age. Yet it all came at a great price. Behind the scenes it was a very male run show and these female "stars" were very much used and abused.

This is exactly why I keep refering to the culture and image of that time, instead of the "people" of that time! We are looking at what the media portrayed- expressions of the cultures ideals- not the reality.

Whenever you have repression of emotions, you will have repression of women in that culture.
We know the other side of the ideals- women serve your husband, and ask his permission to go outside...listen to his wisdom, and obey his commands.

And while women tend to have desires for affection and physical bonding that they can repress, males tend to have much of the opposite- drives of aggression, hostility. So while a relationship might stir the female repressed sexuality and attachment to emerge, they could also stir the mens desire to conquer and combat.

You end up with people who project an image of docility and self control outside, but in their homes, women get beaten or verbally abused, and women get attached to that.

That is partly why I think my mothers generation rebelled against these ideals (and perhaps went too far the other way). I know my mom watched this happen in her own home, and didn't want what she saw as hypocrisy to be her own too.

To try to get this back on topic with the theme of the forum.... perhaps we are reborn to try to get it right this time- reach some sort of realistic imagery, which is integral and balanced? I like this thought.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: FlySolo

Yes, yes she is. No plastic surgery or photoshop required.

They used paint and tiny brushes to touch up photos back then. And airbrushing after that.

a reply to: FlySolo
She's not real.
She never was.
She's a Hollywood and media glamorization, just like her male counterparts of the day.
The only difference between them, and today's glamorizations, is a few decades.

a reply to: Bluesma

For me, a lot of the appeal of the old photos is knowing that the world wasn't perfect but the women (and men) still exuded a confidence and a certain je ne sais quoi.

They also portray class and sex appeal without being trashy (I'm so over many teens and people today thinking that more skin = more appealing).

Allow me to share two pictures of teenagers at school dances. One is from the 1950s and one is from nowadays. Solely based on the photos, which generation would you think will have better morals, values, and respect for others?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

ya im waiting for realistic robot women that can be reprogrammed. I'm tired of the real thing...too much work.

I too would of loved living in those days right up to the sixties. There was just enough technologies to live well, food was still made naturally, stress was not as present, money was not life but only part of it.

Scientists and bad business hasnt yet damaged the environment. The only two huge problems were the world wars. I know huge problems.

Besides that it was as real as it was going to get. I am nostalgic of a tine i never lived in.

a reply to: FlySolo

its called "class", and absolutely is a desirable trait amongst those who also possess it.

Smooth and bold....its something we have moved away from. Today its all about the "bold and brash".

originally posted by: ATF1886
There are still classy women around just alot less...a reply to: FlySolo

Actresses like Katharine Hepburn that didn't need to take their clothes off for attention, class and intelligence hard to come by in "stars" nowadays.

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I have always yearned to experience the past as long as I can remember. Many different eras. But this era in the 50s, is close enough to be relatable and I could easily have a good time. I was born in 81. Just in time to see the world go down the toilet on 911 after I barely became an adult. Ever since then, its been like, whats the point? If they can do that, then, why even try to start a family or succeed in life. I would not want to bring a child here. I almost wish I were not even born.

Sorry, dont mean to be depressing. But yeah I feel like I was born In the wrong time. I could have been born in 1920, been old enough to understand the dramas of ww2 and even fought in it. (maybe died?) by the time 1950 came, Id be 30, a real man. Ready to take on the world. Part of the greatest generation instead of one of the most hated and misunderstood generation. Except back then you were already a real man before 30. Id spend my time in the theater, enjoying the culture, dancing, finding that perfect woman. Own a business of some sort or get a good job.

Look at the Brady Bunch for crissake. You have 3 boys, 3 girls, the mom and dad, thats 8 people and only ONE person bringing in income AND they had a live in maid! So NINE people supported by one man working a job he was passionate for. In a nice 2 story house he designed himself. And that was presented as normal back then. You know what was normal when I was growing up? Rosanne. 2 parents 3 kids no freakin maid are you kidding me? Half the amount of kids PLUS no maid, yet both parents bave to work. That was the normal family as I grew up.


I just wanna say though, its not just the girls who have changed. So have us guys. Its not our fault anymore than it was t women's fault. And I will testify, there are still some very cool women out there. I just watch all these old movies and I think "I could be a character in that movie. I could live that style of life. I could be that kind of guy." Yes I know its hollywood and not all real, but they make the movies to RELATE to the people of the time. The way they talk, the way they dress, their mannerisms.

originally posted by: operation mindcrime
a reply to: introspectionist

That is actually pretty disturbing.

I guess to each misanthrope his own...

Peace

Well snails are quite lovely and graceful!


Hum ManSnail!

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originally posted by: DogMeat
Another time and another place folks...
That place and time are lost I fear forever.
Women and Men had class, that we are lacking in todays world.

It would be great to have that back in the here and now!

Many of the male studs were gay or bi, but i guess there are today too.
Like Yul brynner whom I would never have guessed.

a reply to: halfpint0701

As I wrote in my post though, I tend to consider that the cultural revolution of the 1970's caused things to swing too far in the opposite direction- these are pictures of two extremes that you put up.

I would agree- the first pic shows what most of us would consider a more "innocent" and "moral" type of youth, in terms of sexuality.

Yet, for these to pertain to my focus, we'd have to take a look at that first couple ten years down the road, and how their relationship has evolved behind closed doors.... behind the image they project to society.

The man that exudes restraint and dignity faced with others all day might be just as likely to let off a little steam in the evening at home with a few scotch's and some verbal or physical abuse of his own wife.
Even a woman who exudes grace and restraint in face of others may be taking such abuse at home and accepting it as justified and part of being a wife (or perhaps even her fault for not cooking a good enough dinner, or wearing a better lipstick) -even if she makes it clear to her entourage that the same sort of treatment will not be tolerated by anyone other than her own mate.

As another pointed out, Hollywood was rough on actresses at that time, they were treated like objects owned by studios during their contracts and obligated to do whatever they were told, and that often included sexual services.
It was a mans world, for sure- all about the image, the object, that which is visible. But the unseen was not exposed or acknowledged, so we won't find much evidence of it in the media of that time.
JFK was the perfect president and a loyal family man, for example.....


But we can see suggestions, we can see hints at what the other side of that coin is.....






I think it would be great if reincarnation exists, and we can always come back and try again- try to invest the same amount of value to the form and the content.....

It's the pancake makeup of the time. When movies were filmed in black and white the women used green face powder to make their complexions lighter. It's true.

That's about a hundred year step backward for women. Disgusting. reply to: Bluesma

originally posted by: AutumnWitch657
That's about a hundred year step backward for women. Disgusting. reply to: Bluesma

What is? What I am saying? That that time was terribly sexist against women, and it is understandable that the children of that time grew up to revolt against it?
Sorry if that disgusts you. I guess sometimes we have to take the risk of disgusting someone in order to speak the truth as we see it.
It's just one persons opinion- and I am not a powerful person in the society either- so I seriously doubt my opinion is going to set back anything in the culture by a hundred years!

a reply to: FlySolo

So long, Polly. The camera could never do you justice.



I hurt real badly today. RIP dear fox.