Please vote Yes Scotland...so we can all move forward.

a reply to: TrueBrit
Touché
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a reply to: AllSourceIntel
Ah the thoughts in your post earlier would be great if it were not for the half of Scottish people who will never be satisfied in a union with Wales, N.Ireland, and England.
I am sadly drawn to the view that it would be a more cohesive UK chasing a better deal for all of us together against Westminster when those who do not wish to be a part of it chase their own independent path. They do not support the union so I see them as a hinderence and I hope we can all move on tomorrow with everyone who wants to remain part of the same country wishing to improve that same country, the continuing UK.

It'll be interesting if yes votes win. If the yes have it there are a lot of unhappy states in the US that might push even harder to leave. I'm betting this is why Obama is throwing in his voice, and telling people to vote no.

I see this having moral effects all over the world yes or no.

a reply to: grainofsand

My late husband was Scot and I have loads of inlaws in Scotland still. A Scot who would vote for continued subservience to Westminster, paying taxes and literally being ruled by English law, is not like any Scot I ever knew. They would not even allow people to refer to them as British and often considered it to be an insult! I can't believe they would miss this golden opportunity to finally be free of British rule.

Scotland will vote yes and I will drink to their health with a glass of Glenfiddich when they do! Much love and the very best of luck to them all.

originally posted by: ObjectZero
I see this having moral effects all over the world yes or no.

I see it inspiring Catalans or Basques, or perhaps people in Quebec, but I don't really care about that to be honest. I am tired of the Scottish independence issue deflecting from any campaign promoting a fairer union for the four constituent parts of the UK who deal with a Westminster government.
I want us all to have a better country, and I'm tired of the half of Scotland who don't want to be part of the union being a hinderance and sidetrack to those of us who support an improved deal for the remaining Welsh, Northern Irish, and English citizens.
If it is a No vote, then accept it and support a fairer union for all, but if it's a Yes, then those of us who remain can concentrate on changing our own situation without any distraction from the independence seeking Scots.

originally posted by: antoinemarionette
a reply to: grainofsand

My late husband was Scot and I have loads of inlaws in Scotland still. A Scot who would vote for continued subservience to Westminster, paying taxes and literally being ruled by English law, is not like any Scot I ever knew. They would not even allow people to refer to them as British and often considered it to be an insult! I can't believe they would miss this golden opportunity to finally be free of British rule.

Scotland will vote yes and I will drink to their health with a glass of Glenfiddich when they do! Much love and the very best of luck to them all.

Yep, I would prefer anyone with such an attitude toward the rest of Wales, N.Ireland, and England to chase their 'freedom' and we can concentrate on chasing a fairer UK without the distraction of the bleating hearts who don't actually want to work with us as a family.
It is essentially the point of my OP.

Proud to say I am Scottish

Proud to say I voted to stay part of the UK family.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Nice one fella, appreciate that we're backing the same team and will continue to do so regardless of the result.
I just wish the rabid independence supporters will accept your vote if it is the winner.
I doubt it though, which is why I am sadly drawn to hoping they will no longer be able to distract from fixing the problems in the UK if they scrape a Yes vote.
...I feel for you and all the other No voters if the Yes camp wins though, genuinely.

The thing for me about this whole referendum is the way the media and politicians have behaved.

I get that the politicians have to ight to sway favor and the media whish to a-hem inform, but personally I am fed up wth the way we do business with these things.

Here is what once was a separate country deciding upon which direction their future is taking and all the politicians and media can do is confuse and mud sling.

So much specualtion over how things would play out if it's a yes, if it's a no and all the while these poor people are barraged with information most of which is hypothetical.

As the vote is taking place today I am not going to state which side of the fence I come down on this, but having watched this play out I am embarrassed to say I am English and fed up of all the political doom porn and mind games.

In years to come whichever way the vote goes, I wonder whether history will remember this referendum as an example of how manipulative the systems which govern truly are.

My last thought on the subject is, for whatever speculation has gone on should Scotland gain independence cooler heads shall prevail and half the stuff Westminster has threatend will not come to fruition, in fact I believe the opposite to be true, England would be in a position to barter back control over what pains them most, having lost it through the ideology of independence, as Scotland will need our support.

Likewise, I think Scotland would prevail, it will need to understand that to sit on the international political stage as an equal, that it too shall have to barter to forge the best way forward for itself and its people.

Either way a yes vote would be a win win, but as you say OP a slim no vote would be counter-productive, which leads me back to my original point.

I wish the politicians and the media had been less pro-active in trying influence the people, because it is the people who must decide and arrive at their own conclusion, without what if's and maybe's.

originally posted by: solargeddon
Either way a yes vote would be a win win, but as you say OP a slim no vote would be counter-productive

I'm not 100% certain it will be a win-win situation, but the rabid independence supporters will never support shaping a fairer and improved continuing UK so I now hope they do one, and let the rest of us who remain to concentrate on fixing the problems of UK government without the distractions of the Braveheart camp.

a reply to: DAZ21

I'd advise Scotland to get out now. They have the superior economy. England will rapidly become a Muslim nation and that's not a destiny I would want to conjoin myself towards. It is fitting to see the English dismembered. They used to love to do that to so many great men. Just wait until they collapse: in debt, with social unrest, displaced by foreigners. Maybe then they'll begin to understand what it has been like for so many of their subjects over the years.

a reply to: Nechash
Oh dear, calm down and have a cup of tea.
...you focus on the English alone, have you forgotten the Northern Irish and Welsh who are part of any continuing UK as well?
Your example of emotion expresses exactly why I think it is better for a continuing UK to lose the independence seeking Scots who distract from calls to reform my nation for the better, the UK.

a reply to: Nechash
Oh how is 4% of the muslim population going to take over?.
Oh and even if Scotland leaves we are still great.

a reply to: Nechash

I'd advise Scotland to get out now

.... thanks for the advice.

They have the superior economy.

Yeah but we don't know what the economy will be currency will be....

England will rapidly become a Muslim nation

At four percent of the population, they have some catching up to do.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Oh and even if Scotland leaves we are still great.

Even Catholic N.Irish voters are more drawn to working together for all of us in the Union compared to the Scots who want to leave. I think we'll have a better time in a continuing UK without Scotland after a slim Yes vote, than a UK after a slim No vote. The rabid independence supporters will not contribute support for an improved UK, they just want out.

a reply to: grainofsand

If it is a no vote I really do fear some turning very nasty.
I just hope we don't see a Scottish ira.
Well we will know in twelve hours if it is a yes I will feel betrayed and will never buy scottish.

a reply to: Nechash

Woah! Since when did two wrongs make a right. The generations alive on this planet today have nothing to do with colonialism and the suffering victims. You can't call for blood of innocent people, that's just sick.

All I stated anyway was that thinking logically the No vote will win. I don't mind which outcome wins, it'll end in tears either way.

Lol ignore him he's another who thinks this country is overrun with Muslims! Where do they get that crap from?

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Actually I can name a few cities. But that's for another thread.

a reply to: boymonkey74
I've seen the anger in debates even amongst opposing opinions of Scottish mates in England.
I am sick of hearing those who do not wish to work with us in a union now, and hope they remove themselves from the debate with a slim Yes vote to prevent distraction from the issues which affect us in the continuing UK.
It will be sad for the Scottish folk who support the union in the event of a yes vote though. UK media will promote UK interests and the masses will be drawn towards supporting the best deals for the UK even if it screws the Scots over.