Mysteries of The Great Pyramid Explored...

Quarried no sign of cast stones

there have been many experiments done with cast stone with the materials available also by the builders.

- stones on the outside have MASSIVE wear of water flows on them.

Not at all you are probably confusing the pyramid with the Sphinx enclosure

nope. The sphinx erosion is another thing.


- so called ´observation shafts´were never used or were never usable for any kind of observation of the pyramids outside because they were sealed and are angled and too near the chambers bottom. Have rather purely TECHNICAL background.

No known use - lots of theories thou

the two shafts ascending from the ´queens chamber´have no opening to the outside. Only the two shafts of the ´kings chamber´lead to the outside bute are angled multiple times and were sealed.

the so called subterrean chambers also show MASSIVE water wear from extensive water flows.

Nope - are you saying all this to try and push the "giza pump" idea?

the pump concept/ idea isnt the worst one. The only flaw imho is that the shafts are not hermetically leakproof, as they have vertical cuts. But maybe they were somehow at a time.

- the massive wall surrounding the pyramid and its function around the pyramid.

Explain further ? Do you mean the wall associated with mortuary temple or something else?

the outer wall enclosure around the pyramid of course as it was build then.

shaft:
I meant the one, huge vertical shaft on the south side.

Burial chamber with damaged sarcophagus

nope. no mummy, no inscriptions, no lid.


I think that there are many buildings still under the sand which should be recovered.

originally posted by: anti72

Quarried no sign of cast stones

there have been many experiments done with cast stone with the materials available also by the builders.

Yes there has and to date no one has found cast stone on the pyramids. Here is drawing of the upper tier of G1 showing the arrangement of stones - do they look cast?

- stones on the outside have MASSIVE wear of water flows on them.

Ah no they don't care to provide a geological paper in support? You may be basing this on a fringe misquote of damaged found in Mesopotamia of a Ziggurat that was damaged by flood waters. Ziggurat on occasion have been mistranslated as pyramid and that info applied incorrectly to Egyptian pyramid.

Find your source for that belief.

the two shafts ascending from the ´queens chamber´have no opening to the outside. Only the two shafts of the ´kings chamber´lead to the outside bute are angled multiple times and were sealed.

And this means?

the pump concept/ idea isnt the worst one. The only flaw imho is that the shafts are not hermetically leakproof, as they have vertical cuts. But maybe they were somehow at a time.

Again no massive water damage

the outer wall enclosure around the pyramid of course as it was build then.

The mortuary temple wall then

shaft:
I meant the one, huge vertical shaft on the south side.

Its technical name so I know what you are referring to

nope. no mummy, no inscriptions, no lid.

Sarcophagus , looted, broken, compare that granite 'box' to other 'boxes' found in other tombs. Workers marks found thorough out the pyramid and writing found elsewhere, Goyon marks, relieving chambers, etc.

I think that there are many buildings still under the sand which should be recovered.

In that you are probably correct although within the confines of the area around the Giza pyramids the search has been thorough. There is probably other places on the outskirts and under more modern construction.

And what do all your comments lead us to?

originally posted by: AthlonSavage
a reply to: Harte



Don't tell me you better get on to Wiki and rewrite the explanation cause they think in a single wire system it goes through the ground.

"Ground" has two different and simultaneous meanings in this application.

If you don't realize this, you're bound to be confused.

originally posted by: AthlonSavage

And its a testable theory who is right by using DC. Have positive terminal connected to the wire, and supplying a load some distance away with the output side of load connected into ground using a stake. At the negative terminal at the supply side also stick a copper stake into ground, with also connecting a shunt of known higher resistance to the ground path. This shunt will be used to measure voltage drop across with a multimeter. If your right then even with DC used at high voltage no voltage drop will occur across shunt resistance.

It doesn't work for DC, but your setup wouldn't tell us anything anyway since current would flow through your shunt. Just because a shunt has resistance, that doesn't mean there's no voltage across it. There will always be a voltage across it, if you apply any voltage to your setup.


Current cannot and does not flow for miles through the earth from your house to the power plant. Electrons are taken from the ground at the plant and added to the ground at your house. One 120th of a second later, the opposite is true.

Harte

The most interesting part in this interview with Houdin is his theory about a second entrance, still noticable today in the ´kings chamber´.

houdin interview

emhotep.net/2011/05/03/locations/lower-egypt/giza-plateau-lower-egypt/two-entrances-to-the-king%E2%80%99s-chamber-and-how-they-were-sealed%E2%80%94mor e-with-jean-pierre-houdin/

What do we see on the wall? On the right (east side, low down, in orange), the entrance through which we currently enter this room.

On the left, the layout of granite blocks forms a doorway (in pink) that takes the entire weight of the (dark) granite ceiling beams. The (yellow) blocks filling the doorway do not bear on the central block at the bottom (blue).

This seals the second entrance. It is free, exactly like the block that once sealed the first entrance. Free: in other words, it could be moved… for example, at the end of the king’s funeral ceremony, when the pyramid had to be sealed.

I also carried out an experiment with an out-of-date plastic credit card: I tried to slide it into the right-hand joint between the blue block and the pink block of the doorway I could do it easily, although it is practically impossible elsewhere. (It is often said of the joints in the pyramid that they are so perfect you could not insert a razor blade into them.) I slid this card, laid flat, along the stones, from block to block, to check their alignment. The only time my card stopped was exactly on this joint, proving that the blue block is slightly below the pink block. If the blue block had been put into position at the same time as the other blocks in the chamber, it would have been perfectly aligned with the others.

Just reading the structural and architectural conclusions of Houdin makes the construction much more clear:

emhotep.net... flat-ceiling/#more-5486

originally posted by: GuyinKY
a reply to: Hanslune

Hey everyone- long time lurker- first time commenting. I was reading through this old thread and couldn't help noticing how Hanslune got "owned" by Scott.


This is an older thread- I wonder, shall I jump forward and see if either Harte or Hanslune provided answers to the questions on the subject they seem to so adamantly represent...

Nah- I'll keep reading-I'm "Loling" a lot myself.

You mean the times Scott successfully sidestepped anything that was asked?

Yeah, he can dance. It's a little jerky, but it's fun to make him do it.

Regarding Scott's proclivity for completely ignoring pertinent questions and information, you're aware Scott has his own forum section here, aren't you?

Well, he does the same thing there.

Take note.

It makes you wonder why ATS has such a forum set aside for him. All he does in it is promote his books and ignore people's questions and counterexamples.

Harte

I meant precisely what I said. Were you hoping to change my mind?

I have looked around in Scott's forum- Its my favorite I think. He posts a lot of interesting, thought provoking ideas.

I for one have no issues with someone promoting their book especially if its a book on subjects I find interesting. You buy his books don't you , its okay to admit it.

Along the lines of promoting things- ATS is full of advertising banners promoting all sorts of crap. Aren't you here promoting your ideas? If not, why are you here? I wont hold the self promoting against you or Scott. I assume you're also here to learn from others. Admit it, you've learned a lot from Scott. After all, you don't have to agree with someone to learn from them.

Thanks for the reply!

originally posted by: GuyinKY

I have looked around in Scott's forum- Its my favorite I think. He posts a lot of interesting, thought provoking ideas.

Last I checked he just stole other peoples ideas and then pretended they were his.

originally posted by: GuyinKY

Admit it, you've learned a lot from Scott. After all, you don't have to agree with someone to learn from them.

Thanks for the reply!

All I have learned from Scott is how gullible his fanbase is. Hardly any of them have read a real book written by an expert, they tend to gravitate to him from other pseudo history authors like Graham Hancock.

As to if he "stole" them or not is irrelevant- As I stated, he posted them. Are you arguing that a reptilian posing as Scott posted them or can we agree that Scott has posted them as stated?

Then you've learned nothing. At least certainly nothing as to the degree of my gullibility. Is your argument here that by me finding "ideas interesting and thought provoking" (quoting myself here) a measure of ones gullibility?

You posting here and "learning nothing" (as I just surmised above) combined with your ineffectiveness to measure ones true state of gullibility leaves me wondering if I should bother engaging further in such meaningless dialogue with you....

I thought it over and i'm willing to give you a second chance!

Hurry..this is your chance to prove me gullible for giving you a second chance!

originally posted by: GuyinKY
As to if he "stole" them or not is irrelevant- As I stated, he posted them. Are you arguing that a reptilian posing as Scott posted them or can we agree that Scott has posted them as stated?

Then you've learned nothing. At least certainly nothing as to the degree of my gullibility. Is your argument here that by me finding "ideas interesting and thought provoking" (quoting myself here) a measure of ones gullibility?

You posting here and "learning nothing" (as I just surmised above) combined with your ineffectiveness to measure ones true state of gullibility leaves me wondering if I should bother engaging further in such meaningless dialogue with you....

I thought it over and i'm willing to give you a second chance!

Hurry..this is your chance to prove me gullible for giving you a second chance!

You think anything Scott says is relevant, perhaps then you can list me his Egyptological qualifications,
maybe you could read this and then give us your opinion
www.jasoncolavito.com...

a reply to: Hanslune

IN 1836 COLONEL VYSE DISCOVERED AND REMOVED BY BLASTING TWO TIERS OF STONE . A FLAT IRON PLATE FROM THE SOUTHERN AIRSHAFT FROM THE KINGS CHAMBER WHERE IT EXITS THE PYRAMID . THE PLATE WAS 12 X 4 X 1/8TH THICK . IN 1989 THEY ANALYZED THE MATERIAL REVEALING TRACES OF GOLD AS IF ONCE PLATED . AND THAT IT WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE (GP) .

google Vyse iron plate

The gold plated iron structure served a purpose in the overall function of the GP .

It is clearly represented on various misinterpreted pieces .

The pyramid age Pharaohs were reported to open the gate to the field of Mufcut .

Look for them there .

.

a reply to: Marduk

I'm not sure why you would think I would list anything for you? Not to be rude but I'm not looking to prove anything to you and you dont pay my salary. My comments stand for themselves and since they are statements of my feelings are proof within and of themselves. I said I found his post interesting and thought provoking this makes Scott's posts relevant to me. You concluded that me finding posts interesting and thought provoking made me gullible. This is laughable and plain stupid.

I doubt you are unintelligent (but maybe i'm gullible) so I think you get how ridiculous your comments are.

I didn't click the link you provided but I believe it to lead to a review of Scott's book completed by some other guy with an opinion. I have actually read the review a few days ago but not Scott's book. Are you looking for my opinion on this dudes review? If so, why? Do you suddenly hold my opinion in high regards?

originally posted by: GuyinKY
a reply to: Marduk

I'm not sure why you would think I would list anything for you? Not to be rude but I'm not looking to prove anything to you and you dont pay my salary. My comments stand for themselves and since they are statements of my feelings are proof within and of themselves. I said I found his post interesting and thought provoking this makes Scott's posts relevant to me. You concluded that me finding posts interesting and thought provoking made me gullible. This is laughable and plain stupid.

I doubt you are unintelligent (but maybe i'm gullible) so I think you get how ridiculous your comments are.

I didn't click the link you provided but I believe it to lead to a review of Scott's book completed by some other guy with an opinion. I have actually read the review a few days ago but not Scott's book. Are you looking for my opinion on this dudes review? If so, why? Do you suddenly hold my opinion in high regards?

If you're that long of a lurker as you claim then there is no way you haven't stumbled upon Marduk on similar threads. Him and Harte are the devoted protectors of the paradigm. (at least so they've convinced themselves)...So whatever you say is going to be denied by them. And if you live in North America I'm sure you must have stumbled upon some bumper stickers in the cars that say: Unless you're an hemorrhoid, get of my @ss...

lol

a reply to: Telos

Of course I have stumbled upon them. I quite enjoy them actually. (Maybe you could tell that already)

I actually laughed out loud @ your bumper sticker. I've never seen that before -I'm in Lexington Ky.

Let me save you the time, he doesn't hold any qualifications in this area at all



I asked you to read it, because then you would have read how bad a researcher Scott is, the guy based a large part of his thesis on a modern hoax and didn't realise
So you didn't have the time to check Scotts credibility
That is why you are gullible

originally posted by: Telos



If you're that long of a lurker as you claim then there is no way you haven't stumbled upon Marduk on similar threads. Him and Harte are the devoted protectors of the paradigm. (at least so they've convinced themselves)...So whatever you say is going to be denied by them. And if you live in North America I'm sure you must have stumbled upon some bumper stickers in the cars that say: Unless you're an hemorrhoid, get of my @ss...

lol

You say Paradigm, I say facts
Pity you only have baseless conjecture for your beliefs isn't it

a reply to: Marduk

So I read another guys opinion and take what he says for the gospel? Should I not take the time to read up on the reviewers credentials as you suggest I do Scott's? Epic fail Marduk, epic fail.

He, you, myself and everyone of us with a pulse and a brain are qualified to form opinions and inspire thought provoking ideas. Do you really think getting an over priced degree is essential to researching topics of any subject? You may, I do not.

"Not having the time to check Scott's credibility" isn't an indication of gullibility silly Marduk- its an indication of being busy. However I'll correct you further and state that it wasn't time that prevented me, it was merely apathy.

originally posted by: Marduk

originally posted by: Telos



If you're that long of a lurker as you claim then there is no way you haven't stumbled upon Marduk on similar threads. Him and Harte are the devoted protectors of the paradigm. (at least so they've convinced themselves)...So whatever you say is going to be denied by them. And if you live in North America I'm sure you must have stumbled upon some bumper stickers in the cars that say: Unless you're an hemorrhoid, get of my @ss...

lol

You say Paradigm, I say facts
Pity you only have baseless conjecture for your beliefs isn't it

Hello Marduk. I quit arguing with you long ago and quit reading you also at the same time. I think I'm immune by now

Welcome back. I can tell, being away from this site hasn't changed you much.


P.S Graham Hancock says hi

a reply to: Telos

Great to see you back in the trenches....