We don't need jobs, stop believing this lie

a reply to: onequestion

True, but not everyone is supposed to know the truth. You learn it when you are ready, in this lifetime or the next or the next.

a reply to: onequestion

Sorry, but I choose not to be dependent on the state for my sustenance.

I want to be able to play with the toys I want, and to be able to afford them.

Question: So technology is supposed to be able to perform all the jobs. I guess little robots will perform the maintenance on the supporting technology, will produce the supporting technology, and will perform maintenance on themselves, all without human direction, intervention and creativity.

No offense, but I find this concept rather ridiculous. We are decades if not centuries away from this.

I have to wonder, are you currently a ward of the state? Dependent on the state for housing, food and transportation?

We do need jobs, because if we don't work and pay out bills they will evict us, incarcerate us and kill us for non-compliance.

Being off the grid like Iran, Cuba, North Korea and not paying your dews to your lord is capitol offense. Know Libya? Not recognizing the violently enforced value of the dollar and the system it sustains makes you an enemy and enemies will be destroyed, suppressed and illegitimatized.

On that note I think we "have" to work. Sounds very Orwellian? Because it is.

I think we're caught between socially enforced capitalism and stagnant socialism. Neither are ideal results. (US vs EU policy) Both enforce labor and neither provide solutions to that enforcement. Legislation should allow prizes for scientists as incentive to meet the challenges caused by our subscriptions to capitalism and socialism.

No system where the alternative to labor is death and incarceration is an ideal system.

Ironically, the same pigs who say that jobs are the goal and the end all result... Ironically, these fools don't suffer the affects of mandated economy. Us "plebians" do.

People have talent and hobbies, you don't need to capitalize everything. We won't get "bored" having no jobs. The human condition will ALWAYS be found no matter what, we all make sure of it. So this endless subscription to our current mad system of payments and dues HAS to end.

So what have you ATS?

a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy
The evidence shows that the "state" would rather you not work.

They would prefer you to be dependent and hence, controllable.

Look at all the HUD housing. If not working made you the enemy, then why are the politicians always promising more to those people in exchange for votes instead of making them work for their welfare?

Obamaphone! Obamaphone! Obamaphone!

a reply to: bbracken677

You think it's fun to be the object of shame in a capitalist nation, living beside criminals, having to lock your doors with 3 or 4 locks and on food stamps?

Mandating quality of life is not sustainable. Sustainability must be DESIGNED which is why i'm FURIOUS with Obama for ditching the technology aspect of his presidency.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy
The evidence shows that the "state" would rather you not work.

They would prefer you to be dependent and hence, controllable.

Look at all the HUD housing. If not working made you the enemy, then why are the politicians always promising more to those people in exchange for votes instead of making them work for their welfare?

Obamaphone! Obamaphone! Obamaphone!

There are no securities in living in such a poor HUD/foodstamp environment with no resources or state of the art education. When you rent you do not gain wealth, when you are suppressed by violence and crimes of the community you are placed into you cannot thrive. Politicians promise more of it because it gets them votes because the people who vote for them are generationally bred to be stupid and exploited.

Education has largely been commodified in this nation, stupid people are easier to exploit. HUD communities are mainly introduced to areas as a means to provide the class of people who have to function as home health aids, 24/7 service workers etc. Which is why they force you to be in a position where you make only a small amount of money yearly. I really doubt there's much mobility in such an enforced stagnancy.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: OptimusCrime

If people stop seeing things as separate from themselves including the concepts of life and death then work will cease to exist.

Work will become life and humanity, the earth and people will want to help you achieve your goals because your goals are theirs.

Seeing things as whole with the dissolving of boundaries and extending our understanding of self to that of the whole.

So what you want is a 'borg collective'. Yet I also notice that your idea still has people working ... ie: jobs.

"Work will become life and humanity". Meaing life and humanity becoming work.

a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy

I worked a project in a HUD community. Was there for 3 or 4 months. a) I never said it was fun. b) one thing I noticed was that the majority there were perfectly content to remain there as long as they didn't have to get a job. c) the real tragedy are the kids... they did not ask for shist parents and many will grow up not knowing there is a way out.

a reply to: onequestion

You are missing the point.

Just take a look at the community that receives "social benefits". This community, that has no jobs, but has free healthcare, housing, and is the biggest contributor of crimes and brings down the quality of life for everyone.

People need a purpose.
First you would need to eradicate laziness, selfishness and evil.

Though.. the interesting thing about technology, is it doesn't seem to make us happier, give us more free time, or save that many trees(One of the original selling points back in the 80's for computerization.)
It has achieved, just the opposite, it seems.

a reply to: bbracken677
Commodification and privatization of the necessities of life and prosperity results in the tragedies we both outlined.

The issue is many of us see our one nation as of different separate communities to look out for themselves but yet enforce nationally the value of a dollar subjecting each community to the consequences of not having this dollar and then proceed to restrict and hoard it to their own.

Do we have to work? For now, that's a question to ask.

But until we begin to see ourselves as a collective, humanity and work to correct the DESIGNED suffering caused by capitalism, then the value of that labor is null until then. Not for the greater good, the collective society but for fear of being smited by the very system we all live under.

I will not stand by idly while someone says economy and its enforcement by degrading or killing those who do not dominate others is the ideal state of a society.

originally posted by: onequestion
The point is if we actually start giving a # about each other and caring about each other's individually then we'll help each other and it won't be cons deferred "work" because it'll be worth to reach out into the community.

Your perspective on "work" is what makes it selfish. A "job" is a means to an end. But to help your neighbor fix his house or to help your neighbor fix his aqua phonic garden or to help your neighbor fix his car or to fix his robot is not a job it's just being a decent human being.

Dreamy I know. But let's face it, we have the capacity to live like this we CHOOSE not to.

What do you do with the neighbor that allows others to do all this for him/her, but refuses to help others because they're busy in their pursuit of their 'higher self'?

I've always felt this way too. I hate "jobs". It is the single most tedious aspect of life, at least in the 3rd world. Alan Watts put it best. Think about it. A job is essentially something so horrible, you have to be paid to do it. The thought of working without payment is absurd. You trade the precious hours, days, weeks, months, years away in exchange for paper that allows you the privilege (and in this world, it is a privilege...) of survival. However, most people only make enough to do just that. Survive. An hour from now I'm suppose to walk around a grocery store for 5 hours (yesterday it was 10). I do this 6 out of 7 days a week. I have no time for anything else, my schedule is so sporadic and unpredictable, I can't plan for anything. I barely have time to think. Yet I'll be lucky if I can afford to pay the rent this month....The ironic thing is I go around the grocery store pretending to shop and catch people who are also so desperate that they have to resort to stealing... The "paid slavery" system is getting quite old. Something needs to change. This is not how life was meant to be lived.

Though it is embedded into our very being, as it is the purpose of our creation...


WE WERE CREATED TO SERVE.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

We could always return to the Stone Age. Either you kill something and survive, or you are lazy and die. lol

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
WE WERE CREATED TO SERVE.

I'm curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion, care to elaborate more on that?

Serve who?

Created how? Culturally? Genetically?

If you could.

a reply to: onequestion

I think you are right.

From www.evawaseerst.be... :

That there is one true God, an ‘Abstract Being’ that even hundred Einsteins never could unravel, thát I am not going to discuss, because that's a given fact to me. That bread and games always were the primus inter pares in the bag of tricks of the real rulers to suite people, I am not going to discuss neither, nor that the mass of people rather focus on their personal place in society than thinking about their origins.

But why are they focusing so much on material things? I believe because the media are super demagogues. With a little exaggeration: they are manipulating people to be egocentric. By the way: jobs and money are important but there is so much technology nowadays that we could have a reasonable life standard without working much, if we would share a bit more, if we would prevent that there are people that gain millions of dollars every year while others have to live in poverty. I'm probably not using enough words to make most people understand what I mean, but to make it short: people are in some way or another prohibited to think too much about the spiritual aspect. Divide people, make them dependent, jealous and egocentric because of the fact that some have more expensive and beautiful material things than others, and you guide their thoughts. And those thoughts better are not too spiritual.

It may sound contradictory but I think the media (influenced by the real rulers) are doing a good job.

Thinking is ok but I came to the conclusion that too much thinking is not so ok. It won't solve anything. My belief made me more tolerant and less egocentric, but I have to survive in an egocentric and not so tolerant world, so I must compromise a bit.

In every person lives an animal that is not easy to keep under control by the real rulers. Work, football, and even war (to name just a few examples) are just means to keep the egocentric beast busy.

It looks as if in the end the beast that lives in every one of us will prevail, but I believe the contrary. The good will prevail, because the real rulers are guiding humanity. Slowly but surely. And therefore they cannot tell us the truth because of so much reasons. Religions would collapse, the power of so many would fall apart, economy and so on. For so many of us egocentrism is much easier to handle than the truth. But be sure we will arrive where the real rulers want us to arrive. Although it still can take a few hundred years before we are ready to handle the truth.

War and injustice in so many countries they can't prevent. The world is so complicated. But sometimes -when things really seem to go wrong taking into account their hidden agenda- we have the feeling they have the means to intervene.

WTC attacks are not the only contested terrible events that made room for intervention on a world scale. A rule of power? If you know someone is going to do a disgusting injustice upon you, let it happen and make sure it becomes world news for weeks.

I think that after the WTC attacks the real rulers took the opportunity to get the approval of the people to fight ideas they don't agree with, extreme ideas that suppress women, restrict freedom and maybe are on the brink to spread too much. We think oil was not the biggest issue. Fact is that after the WTC attacks and the invasions in Afghanistan and Iraq real rulers got a foothold in the lions' den. Another fact: women were given more possibilities to develop and get more insight in their situation and that in countries where they are treated like they are so much inferior to men. There is still a long way to go and the extremists will not surrender. Sooner or later they will reunite but in the end the real (good) powers will prevail. Be sure that the real rulers know how to get the approval of their citizens to conquer the bad guys.

As a bonus another reason why the alien issue always has been denied. Because it would have been impossible to stop the hunt for extra-terrestrial knowledge by unwanted groups of people (say the bad guys) if it would be clear that it exists.

Far sought you probably think. Hopefully you give it a chance before reading further.

a reply to: BlubberyConspiracy

Not really. Technology does not have the ability to support us or provide for our needs without human involvement.

So the question is: Do you work and support the needs of yourself and your family? Or do you not work, tell your family you do not give a crap about them or their future and suck off the hind teat of the govt?

We have too many crap parents who choose the latter now as it is.

It's one thing to live off the grid, providing food for your family, making your own clothes etc etc. It's quite another to just sit on your a$$ and depend on others to support your sorry, lazy, good for nothing a$$.

a reply to: onequestion
Preach it brother. I'm an atheist, but I totally understand where you're coming from. It's weird to be surrounded by people who either don't get, don't want it, or think it's impossible. I have dreams of building a community with those who do want to live as the intelligent animals we are. From what I've observed, we're more prone to go crazy than to cooperate. There are some players taking advantage of this. It's up to more persuasive leaders to demonstrate an irresistible healthy lifestyle.

I find it helps to always know that money is the problem and government is god. Knowing these two things lets me quickly and clearly find the roots of our enslavement.

This sounds so much like communism that it makes my head hurt. Capitalism drives creative production if you look at countries that run a true communist economy there innovation is crap. There standard of living for the common folk you and me is crap, why would you want that?

Life isn't fair some people will always have it better than you and you will always have it better than some others deal with it.

Imagine a world with no money... write and performed by my a man with millions of dollars and multiple places of residence guess what he didn't give all that up to help the common man he sat on that until the day he died. (Was murdered)

Dream all you like but understand the harsh realities of life work creates all the things we need to survive from the farmer in the field to the man running the power station that feeds all of our electrical gadgets.

Life is work work is life.

originally posted by: bbracken677
a reply to: Gh0stwalker

We could always return to the Stone Age. Either you kill something and survive, or you are lazy and die. lol

You honestly believe the only way to perpetuate a self sustaining life is to revert back to barbarism? The current system has clearly alienated you.

originally posted by: BlubberyConspiracy

originally posted by: Gh0stwalker
WE WERE CREATED TO SERVE.

I'm curious as to how you arrived at that conclusion, care to elaborate more on that?

Serve who?

Created how? Culturally? Genetically?

If you could.

It would take hours to fully cover this topic, and there are much better explanations out there than I can provide. Try looking into the work of Jimm Marrs, specifically his 2012 book Our Occulted History

It's a pretty off the wall way of thinking, one you've likely heard before. However the evidence is very compelling.

a reply to: Gh0stwalker

Apparently you do not recognize sarcasm.

I have a strange sense of humor, but I figured no one would take that as anything but sarcasm.